IN - Lauren Spierer, 20, Bloomington, 03 June 2011 - #9

[soyesterday]

We don't know that they didn't search JR's place or his car.
It just doesn't appear to me LE is actually zeroing in on what had happened to LS. This case might never be solved unless they find her body (assuming of course she is no longer with us). No body, no crime.

That just seems insane to me. To let one of the POI's leave town w/out having his car searched.....so strange....and stupid....
Oh i just read again...you said we DON'T KNOW that they didn't search it. I thought you said we DO know that they didn't.
I sure hope that would have been one of the first things they did!

 

[Janeumayer]

Also, Le did in fact call the witness for a sketch. SO it still could be possible.

 

[jjenny]

I think it's possible there are more videos of Lauren that we don't know about.

I agree there are likely more videos, such as of her at the bar, or other places before 2:51 am. But if LE told us the truth none are after 2:51 am.

 

[soyesterday]

Or maybe he was pressuring her into sex or being overly aggressive, which is why she called DR. I feel like if the situation is how we're speculating that wouldn't be too far off.

Yes, maybe he was or maybe she was just as into it. And maybe someone walked in on it which is also why JR has to admit that she was w/ him until 4:30 cuz there was another witness.
I know...just more speculation.
But w/ the talk of JR and JW being "friends", that would be a VERY big deal and maybe JR's guilt over that made him book it out of town.
I also wonder if maybe HT was crushing on JW just a little bit or there was something going on there too?

 

[ingra1327]

I agree there are likely more videos, such as of her at the bar, or other places before 2:51 am. But if LE told us the truth none are after 2:51 am.

I agree. I just hope they've checked them all and made sure she or anyone else isn't on them because the fact that they thought the truck went around the block and was on the street twice but now say (after the person came forward) that it just passed by once worries me a bit.

 

[sv614]

We don't know that they didn't search JR's place or his car.
It just doesn't appear to me LE is actually zeroing in on what had happened to LS. This case might never be solved unless they find her body (assuming of course she is no longer with us). No body, no crime.

I think if the car was searched, and nothing was found, we would have heard about it, at least by rumor. For example, LE has not formally exonerated CR, but MSM all but has. There would be a similar sentiment regarding JR, IMO.

They cannot force a search or arrest someone without probable cause. And they cannot force him to stick around unless they arrest him. They can't arrest him without some form of evidence against him. Just doubting his story isn't enough.

So he could have left, with all the evidence, and there is nothing they can do until they gather evidence against him.

 

[Gabby66]

Someone above said that we know "for fact" that the video shows her with CR on the way to CR's apt. Is that true? Do we know "for fact"? I was pretty sure that LE have said that she'd walking in the alley with someone but that they haven't released a name. If not - WHY? The kids have all said that she left with him and didn't the police even state that she left with him as well? So if she left with him, why not say that this was confirmed on video? I don't get what the big deal is with just saying WHO she was with, unless of course there's more to that story and I do believe there is. My understanding is that the wristlet/keys were not found right on the alley, but more likely in that gravel area. That means that they diverted off of the path a bit, right? If he supposedly doesn't remember anything, then he must have really been "out of it" - too much so to be fooling around in the bushes with Lauren. If the 3:38 sighting is true, then she was likely too wasted for that too. So why were those items off of the path? The fact that they have not reported who she was with or what she was doing is telling IMO. Even if they kept the "what they were doing" a secret, If it was CR, I can't understand why they wouldn't just confirm that....makes me think maybe it wasn't him.

 

[Gabby66]

Also, perhaps these boys really had nothing to do with it but they're just scared to death b/c they know something, or the person who did. How sad, if that's true, as their lives could be ruined over fear and may never come forward.

I also wanted to add that if by chance they didn't have anything to do with this whatsoever, can you imagine how this will change/ruin their lives forever too? Of course it's small potatoes compared to the way this has affected Lauren's family, but think of this....you're a college boy, having spent 2 years away, hoping to get a good degree at a great school. You make some really bad decisions and a life is lost and you just happen to be the one who saw her last. If Lauren is never found, nor the crime ever solved, no one will likely ever believe they had nothing to do with this. They would likely not be able to return to school and the money that their parents had set aside for college now will go to criminal defense for a crime they didn't commit. I'm not saying that I don't believe they had anything to do with this, b/c I do - but I don't necessarily think that they ALL were a part of it. However, ALL of their lives will be negatively affected both socially, financially, and probably academically as well.

 

[Janeumayer]

I agree there are likely more videos, such as of her at the bar, or other places before 2:51 am. But if LE told us the truth none are after 2:51 am.

I guess LE sometimes do not tell the truth, I knew I had read of another video or image after the 2:51 am one. Here's the proof:

"Parker did say police have found an image of Spierer on tape from a security camera in an alley. It showed her with someone else walking from a friend’s apartment to her apartment, Strong said."

http://www.indystar.com/article/201...er-case?odyssey=tab|topnews|text|IndyStar.com

This article was written after CR's identity was revealed and the video of CR and Spierer was confirmed by LE.

 

[jjenny]

I guess LE sometimes do not tell the truth, I knew I had read of another video or image after the 2:51 am one. Here's the proof:

"Parker did say police have found an image of Spierer on tape from a security camera in an alley. It showed her with someone else walking from a friend’s apartment to her apartment, Strong said."

http://www.indystar.com/article/201...er-case?odyssey=tab|topnews|text|IndyStar.com

This article was written after CR's identity was revealed and the video of CR and Spierer was confirmed by LE.

They appear to be talking about the exact same video of her entering the alley at 2:48 am and exiting it at 2:51 am. Only she would be going from her apartment building to CR's apartment building. Unless they are talking about earlier video of her going to her apartment before going to the bar or something. Nothing to suggest this video they are talking about was after 2:51 am.

 

[Gabby66]

This article was written after CR's identity was revealed and the video of CR and Spierer was confirmed by LE.

OK so they DID confirm that CR was with her in the video? Can you tell me where that was confirmed? ....I'm not asking b/c I don't believe you, but rather because this has been driving me nuts why there hasn't been a confirmation of this. I've only read where they say she was walking with "someone". Thanks.

 

[sherbetjello]

Also, Le did in fact call the witness for a sketch. SO it still could be possible.

I've been out all day, so I am catching up.
So, LE DID in fact get a sketch of this person but it hasn't been in MSM yet?
Can you link me to this information, please?

TY!

 

[Janeumayer]

Just wondering, what if Lauren left JR's apt., with JR or another person, towards her apt. but went through the alley, not College Ave?

Maybe an image was captured but Lauren never made it past that point? See post #349 about image of Lauren walking back towards her apt.

Maybe LE thought the truck was involved in taking her because she never appeared in the rest of the cameras going towards her home?

Just a thought.

 

[jjenny]

The LE has already stated they don't have a video of her after leaving JR's apartment.

 

[Janeumayer]

I've been out all day, so I am catching up.
So, LE DID in fact get a sketch of this person but it hasn't been in MSM yet?
Can you link me to this information, please?

TY!

New Witness Tells Of Lauren Spierer Mystery Encounter With Unknown Man

 

[cluciano63]

Also, perhaps these boys really had nothing to do with it but they're just scared to death b/c they know something, or the person who did. How sad, if that's true, as their lives could be ruined over fear and may never come forward.

I also wanted to add that if by chance they didn't have anything to do with this whatsoever, can you imagine how this will change/ruin their lives forever too? Of course it's small potatoes compared to the way this has affected Lauren's family, but think of this....you're a college boy, having spent 2 years away, hoping to get a good degree at a great school. You make some really bad decisions and a life is lost and you just happen to be the one who saw her last. If Lauren is never found, nor the crime ever solved, no one will likely ever believe they had nothing to do with this. They would likely not be able to return to school and the money that their parents had set aside for college now will go to criminal defense for a crime they didn't commit. I'm not saying that I don't believe they had anything to do with this, b/c I do - but I don't necessarily think that they ALL were a part of it. However, ALL of their lives will be negatively affected both socially, financially, and probably academically as well.

Well, it is their choice to pay lawyers now, when no one is being accused or charged with anything ,or even being named a suspect. If they are truly innocent, they are welcome to talk to police, cooperate in any way possible. Arrests are not made in missing persons cases very often if the person has not been found, so I don't think there is a high chance of being arrested and charged with her disappearance at this stage. And the perception of innocence, if that is their concern, would be much greater if we didn't hear Lauren's parents begging for people to speak out and LE saying some cryptic things about being able to talk to some people, but not all. Sure, it stinks to have your name linked to a missing person, but I think I'd rather have my name linked in a way that has LE saying he/she has allowed us to search their car, home, has cooperated in every way, etc...just my opinion.

 

[Janeumayer]

The LE has already stated they don't have a video of her after leaving JR's apartment.

Did you read the link? Please read the article.

 

[sherbetjello]

New Witness Tells Of Lauren Spierer Mystery Encounter With Unknown Man

Wait, this is being rehashed over and over, and I do sort of understand this huge "breakthrough" in the case, I think.

But this is a blog, right? Has this blog been confirmed for MSM now?

This thread is getting super confusing.

:/

 

[jjenny]

Did you read the link? Please read the article.

That article is dated June 9. Since then LE very clearly stated they don't have her on video leaving JR's apartment.

 

[bessie]

Also, perhaps these boys really had nothing to do with it but they're just scared to death b/c they know something, or the person who did. How sad, if that's true, as their lives could be ruined over fear and may never come forward.

I also wanted to add that if by chance they didn't have anything to do with this whatsoever, can you imagine how this will change/ruin their lives forever too? Of course it's small potatoes compared to the way this has affected Lauren's family, but think of this....you're a college boy, having spent 2 years away, hoping to get a good degree at a great school. You make some really bad decisions and a life is lost and you just happen to be the one who saw her last. If Lauren is never found, nor the crime ever solved, no one will likely ever believe they had nothing to do with this. They would likely not be able to return to school and the money that their parents had set aside for college now will go to criminal defense for a crime they didn't commit. I'm not saying that I don't believe they had anything to do with this, b/c I do - but I don't necessarily think that they ALL were a part of it. However, ALL of their lives will be negatively affected both socially, financially, and probably academically as well.

Good points, Gabby. That's why it's so important to use caution when talking about these young people.

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