IN - Lauren Spierer, 20, Bloomington, 03 June 2011 - #9

[Gabby66]

OK I just found this....

"Surveillance camera footage from around 2:30 a.m. showed her and a male student, Corey Rossman, returning to her apartment building, Smallwood Plaza.

Police have said additional surveillance video from an alley between Smallwood and Rossman's apartment a few blocks away showed them walking toward his building around 3 a.m. Her keys were later found in that alley.

A neighbor of Rossman reported seeing Spierer leave around 4:30 a.m., but police said they found no sign of her after the 3 a.m. sighting on any of the surveillance video they viewed from the blocks between the two buildings."

This is the second time that I believe I've read that "a neighbor" witnessed her leaving around 4:30 and if true, it kinda blows the 3:38 sighting for me. Also, above, it says "showed THEM walking toward his building" (referring to CR but his name isn't mentioned here). I believe his name has always been mentioned on the video of them arriving to her apt. but not walking down the alley. This could be just an inference on the writer's part too - poor journalism, but it happens.
http://www.wibw.com/nationalnews/he..._white_pickup_seen_in_the_area_124306194.html

 

[jjenny]

Well I presume the neighbor of CR that says she left of 4:30 am is JR.

 

[Gabby66]

Well I presume the neighbor of CR that says she left of 4:30 am is JR.

Oh yes, duh! lol Sorry, but I was confusing them since their last names both begin in R.....thought this was saying a neighbor of JR's. Thanks.

 

[sv614]

I have believed it was him too until so much time has passed w/o a confirmation. Like you say, "Who else could it be?" so if it IS him, why not just confirm? That's what makes me think there's something more to the video - perhaps they don't want to share a video with her parents, showing their daughter having sex, perhaps there are other people in the outskirts who they think could have witnessed something, to whom LE want to find and speak, perhaps it's not CR at all - I don't know. But I do believe it's ODD if they have not confirmed who she was with - what harm could that do?

I think it may be a stretch to assume she was seen engaging in sexual activity on that video. More plausible is that she was taking drugs. In fact I wondered this when they said her keys were found by a railing.

Often cocaine is used by being snorted off of a key as it provides a convenient surface.

 

[sv614]

I have believed it was him too until so much time has passed w/o a confirmation. Like you say, "Who else could it be?" so if it IS him, why not just confirm? That's what makes me think there's something more to the video - perhaps they don't want to share a video with her parents, showing their daughter having sex, perhaps there are other people in the outskirts who they think could have witnessed something, to whom LE want to find and speak, perhaps it's not CR at all - I don't know. But I do believe it's ODD if they have not confirmed who she was with - what harm could that do?

Just because LE has no reason to keep info from MSM and the public does not mean that they have no good reason to keep it from other POIs. Perhaps the less POIs know, the better. More rope to hang themselves with.

 

[Gabby66]

I think it may be a stretch to assume she was seen engaging in sexual activity on that video. More plausible is that she was taking drugs. In fact I wondered this when they said her keys were found by a railing.

Often cocaine is used by being snorted off of a key as it provides a convenient surface.

Yes, I agree it's a stretch - I was just meaning it as a hypothetical shocker that they may be trying to spare the parents, but yes, your example is more plausible. It's also a shocker that I wouldn't want to see of my own daughter, yet there is also a piece of me who would want to see every detail of the TRUTH.

What you say about the key is a great point. I've also read that her keys were inside the purse though, then yet other reports of them being separate.

 

[cluciano63]

I don't have a problem with anyone wanting a lawyer to walk them through this type of serious situation, but there is nothing to prevent anyone from cooperating fully along with their attorney, and it sounds to me as though this is not happening with all of these young people.

Those who are innocent and cooperating, with or without an attorney, can probably google themselves in a few years (God forbid, if this is not solved) and their name will be out there, but so, most likely, will the details or information that they allowed searches, turned over DNA, and spoke with LE. Those who chose not to cooperate may find they have a harder time ahead, as it does look suspicious, right or wrong, when someone won't talk to police about a missing person, especially a friend. No one wants to be involved in something of this nature, but we can each choose how to handle it if it happens, as Lauren's mom said.

 

[Gabby66]

Just because LE has no reason to keep info from MSM and the public does not mean that they have no good reason to keep it from other POIs. Perhaps the less POIs know, the better. More rope to hang themselves with.

Yes, this is true and understandable. I just can't come up with a reason however, that confirming CR was spotted with her in the alley, would offer any such "rope", especially when they quickly pointed out that he was spotted with her going into Smallwood - Unless of course the video shows MORE than them just walking back to his place, which I believe it does.

 

[ingra1327]

This is first time that I Learned that there were actuually credit cards of lauren's missing from her coin purse found near alley. Did other know this info. Here's the snipped quote with significant info near the end..

I had never heard this before. If this is true, I'm surprised it hasn't been released anywhere else, especially during the truck search.

 

[sv614]

Yes, I agree it's a stretch - I was just meaning it as a hypothetical shocker that they may be trying to spare the parents, but yes, your example is more plausible. It's also a shocker that I wouldn't want to see of my own daughter, yet there is also a piece of me who would want to see every detail of the TRUTH.

What you say about the key is a great point. I've also read that her keys were inside the purse though, then yet other reports of them being separate.

I have read that her keys were actually part of a little keychain wallet ie her keys were part of her "purse" that night. There was a whole discussion, if I recall, about how she would have carried it conveniently without a purse and I believe the likely conclusion was that she was either simply holding them in her hand or had them tucked into the waist of her leggings.

Have you read that her keys and purse were found separately? I could be wrong.

 

[bx2]

Yes, this is true and understandable. I just can't come up with a reason however, that confirming CR was spotted with her in the alley, would offer any such "rope", especially when they quickly pointed out that he was spotted with her going into Smallwood - Unless of course the video shows MORE than them just walking back to his place, which I believe it does.

I thought you answered your own question on this before when talking about how damaging it can potentially be for someone to have their name brought in to a situation where they are innocent of wrong doing. LE is simply not going to participate publicly in naming any POI.

 

[bessie]

Yes, this is true and understandable. I just can't come up with a reason however, that confirming CR was spotted with her in the alley, would offer any such "rope", especially when they quickly pointed out that he was spotted with her going into Smallwood - Unless of course the video shows MORE than them just walking back to his place, which I believe it does.

lol And I believe it shows less. If the video doesn't confirm the man's identity because the image is blurred or his face is obscured, then LE can't state unequivocally that CR was the man exiting the alley with Lauren, even if all other circumstances make it indicate that it's him.

 

[jjenny]

I thought you answered your own question on this before when talking about how damaging it can potentially be for someone to have their name brought in to a situation where they are innocent of wrong doing. LE is simply not going to participate publicly in naming any POI.

Yes, but if the man with LS is CR, LE not confirming it was him is like closing the barn doors after the horse has bolted. Plenty of articles published indicating CR was with LS that night, and that LS walked CR to his apartment. Also, I don't recall LE having any problem with saying the boyfriend is a POI (even if it was in response to a question).

 

[sv614]

lol And I believe it shows less. If the video doesn't confirm the man's identity because the image is blurred or his face is obscured, then LE can't state unequivocally that CR was the man exiting the alley with Lauren, even if all other circumstances make it indicate that it's him.

But from what I understand LE didn't say they can't identify him. They said they won't.

 

[cluciano63]

Yes, but if the man with LS is CR, LE not confirming it was him is like closing the barn doors after the horse has bolted. Plenty of articles published indicating CR was with LS that night, and that LS walked CR to his apartment. Also, I don't recall LE having any problem with saying the boyfriend is a POI (even if it was in response to a question).

True, but LE sometimes goes out their way not to have names come from them, even when things appear obvious, they may be doing that here, knowing lawyers are involved.

 

[Gabby66]

I thought you answered your own question on this before when talking about how damaging it can potentially be for someone to have their name brought in to a situation where they are innocent of wrong doing. LE is simply not going to participate publicly in naming any POI.

Yes, it is damaging. But if that's their reason, why say he was with her as they entered Smallwood? Why say he was punched and she took him home? Why name anyone? I'm not arguing - just throwing things around. I've always been very speculative and b/c I don't know if any of my own theories are correct, I often try to disprove them, at the same time I try to prove them. LOL It just seems odd to name him once, then not the next time.

And Bessie, you're absolutely correct - it could be blurry.

 

[jjenny]

True, but LE sometimes goes out their way not to have names come from them, even when things appear obvious, they may be doing that here, knowing lawyers are involved.

But LE had no problem with confirming that the boyfriend was a POI. So why would they have a problem of confirming who the man with LS is?

 

[Gabby66]

And another thing.....they named JR, saying he watched her leave his apartment. That places him and being the last person to have "supposedly" seen her. They have named the boyfriend, the roommate, everyone. ANY person around her would logically be considered a POI and they've named several players. I did read one site that said there were about 10 more unnamed. I'm thinking they are mostly the guys who punched CR. Yes, naming them is damaging. But I believe the police already confirmed that he was with her into SW, and that she walked him home - so why not say "We saw this on the video?" unless there's more to that story?

 

[cluciano63]

But LE had no problem with confirming that the boyfriend was a POI. So why would they have a problem of confirming who the man with LS is?

Did they say they know who it is for sure? I can't remember now...

 

[bessie]

Oooops! Sorry meant to copy paste link in that quote as well..
BRB and will post link to article stating Laurems had
Credit cards missing from her purse..

ETA: sorry here's the link.. This site has multiple articles of news worldwide and seems to use the info from MSM.. Several more articles about Lauren just keep scrolling down and you'll see many of them..
http://willsavive.blogspot.com/2011_06_01_archive.html

Thanks for adding the link, SO. I don't have a lot of confidence in that blog, though. I listened to the press conference when LE was asked about Lauren's keys and purse. I don't remember anything being said about missing credit cards. Has anyone else seen this reported?