Found Deceased IN - Paul Etter wanted for Kidnapping, Tippecanoe County, 22 June 2019

[Boxer]

Did she phone someone? I know he broke her Apple watch so she couldn't call but not sure when he did that.

Didn't mean to sound rude with my previous question. Suspicions are ok. It's natural to question an account.

IIRC she called police about Etter approaching her.

 

[tresir2012]

IIRC she called police about Etter approaching her.

I also read she phoned a friend initially because she thought it was the friend that drove up and parked behind her but it was Etter who had driven up behind her.

 

[tresir2012]

Did Delphi Bridge double murderer kill himself after police standoff? | Metro News

Couple of notable points in here.

"An accused rapist who killed himself as cops surrounded him has been name as a suspect in the murder of two young girls on a remote trail."

"Tippecanoe County Sheriff Bob Goldsmith said Etter’s case will remain open in hopes to solve unanswered questions.
Information regarding the case was shared with the Carrol County investigators, who looked into the Delphi murders, but Tippecanoe County Sheriff Sergeant Thad Miller doubted Etter was a top suspect in the girls’ murders.

Miller said: ‘We have shared information about Etter with them, but we’ve done that with other suspects, too.’ "


Interesting that they have other suspects too?

 

[LeonG]

Miller said: ‘We have shared information about Etter with them, but we’ve done that with other suspects, too.’ "
Interesting that they have other suspects too?

No. Its only 15 miles away, so any serious crime of someone who might remotely be similar ,eg regular smooth european mans voice.
The reason is to get the DNA profile of new local offenders, and any info about their MO, residence, to them ASAP, rather than waiting for it to go via state and federal systems ( and possibly even get missed ). They might err on the side of caution and send in cases that are very unlikely , but not strictly impossible, to be associated.


Even if they had the DNA in the system from their suspects, they might send it through to be sure its done correctly and refreshed, just to be sure its matched ASAP to prevent future crimes. That saves lives and saves victims.

My take on why Etter fits.. Etter has a similar look.. the blurry footage looks like him .. bulging belly above slim legs. Similar MO.. use of abandoned building or remote shed. He also has access to the numerous abandoned/scrap vehicles, such as the one found abandoned near Delphi crime scene,which for some reason is not known who was in it....

The thing about moving the car a short distance is that its very shrewd. Which matches to Etter's MO. In the rape, he shrewdly tried to reduce the chance of being reported and identified, by driving his victim back to her friends place, so that it looks like she never left, and could be ignored, or might decide its too much trouble to report. Whereas if he dumps her somewhere random, she has to call for help or someone who finds her will. Meanwhile the greater distance from his home reduces the chance she will remember where it was. So Etter's distinctive MO is to reduce the chances of getting caught, even if its such a small reduction it seems pointless.

His appeal over driving while disqualified is very shrewd. He's educated. The Delphi voice sounds educated to me. Years at University. Some sort of engineer type - Etter did work at Alcoa. Aluminium smelting. But the fact he is out of any career suggests he has problems.... Delphi recordings has him saying "Guys" which implies he is used to talking to children.. Etter has 7 or 8 children ..

 

[tresir2012]

No. Its only 15 miles away, so any serious crime of someone who might remotely be similar ,eg regular smooth european mans voice.
The reason is to get the DNA profile of new local offenders, and any info about their MO, residence, to them ASAP, rather than waiting for it to go via state and federal systems ( and possibly even get missed ). They might err on the side of caution and send in cases that are very unlikely , but not strictly impossible, to be associated.


Even if they had the DNA in the system from their suspects, they might send it through to be sure its done correctly and refreshed, just to be sure its matched ASAP to prevent future crimes. That saves lives and saves victims.

My take on why Etter fits.. Etter has a similar look.. the blurry footage looks like him .. bulging belly above slim legs. Similar MO.. use of abandoned building or remote shed. He also has access to the numerous abandoned/scrap vehicles, such as the one found abandoned near Delphi crime scene,which for some reason is not known who was in it....

The thing about moving the car a short distance is that its very shrewd. Which matches to Etter's MO. In the rape, he shrewdly tried to reduce the chance of being reported and identified, by driving his victim back to her friends place, so that it looks like she never left, and could be ignored, or might decide its too much trouble to report. Whereas if he dumps her somewhere random, she has to call for help or someone who finds her will. Meanwhile the greater distance from his home reduces the chance she will remember where it was. So Etter's distinctive MO is to reduce the chances of getting caught, even if its such a small reduction it seems pointless.

His appeal over driving while disqualified is very shrewd. He's educated. The Delphi voice sounds educated to me. Years at University. Some sort of engineer type - Etter did work at Alcoa. Aluminium smelting. But the fact he is out of any career suggests he has problems.... Delphi recordings has him saying "Guys" which implies he is used to talking to children.. Etter has 7 or 8 children ..

Good points here. However the car in the other case wasn't abandoned, LE clarified that it was the building it was parked next to that was abandoned.

 

[Justice101]

Still following. DNA results take some time.

 

[TL4S]

I found this today, but I don't have a subscription, so can't read the article. Does anyone here have access? Maybe this has already been posted, but the beginning paragraph says something about Good Morning America calling Leazenby on Sunday asking if they had considered PE as a suspect in the Delphi crimes.

Double homicide investigation takes time | Carroll County Comet

 

[tresir2012]

Double homicide investigation takes time
July 24, 2019

By Debbie Lowe
Staff writer
Carroll County Sheriff Tobe Leazenby told the Comet Monday he received a call from “Good Morning America” Sunday. He said the producers wanted to know if the investigators working on the Feb. 13, 2017, double homicide of Liberty German and Abigail Williams had considered Paul Etter as a suspect. Etter killed himself in Boone County June 27 after being accused […]

This is all I could copy without subscribing.

 

[FinePrint]

Double homicide investigation takes time
July 24, 2019

By Debbie Lowe
Staff writer
Carroll County Sheriff Tobe Leazenby told the Comet Monday he received a call from “Good Morning America” Sunday. He said the producers wanted to know if the investigators working on the Feb. 13, 2017, double homicide of Liberty German and Abigail Williams had considered Paul Etter as a suspect. Etter killed himself in Boone County June 27 after being accused […]

This is all I could copy without subscribing.

I can't get into the article either. Can you tell us anymore about this article. Title says "Double homicide investigation takes time" What are they talking about in regard to that? Thanks in advance!

 

[tresir2012]

I can't get into the article either. Can you tell us anymore about this article. Title says "Double homicide investigation takes time" What are they talking about in regard to that? Thanks in advance!

I don't know either. We need to find someone who has subscribed to it.

 

[Miya]

He's just mad because some of us don't like his style. Wait...can I be a Verified Coulrophobic (someone with a fear of clowns)?

I didn't watch the video that people are talking about - I rarely look at them, last year I watched most of his lives, etc. for a few months, but he talks too much about politics and how he sees the world and how he thinks that the world should be and doesn't like it at all when people disagree with his world view. Now I sometimes look at them and fast forward through them just to see if there is anything interesting in it about the case that is in the title of the video and I look at and through the videos about the Delphi case.

I know he is some kind of expert here, I just don't even know what he is an expert in (I'm sure I read it on here maybe last year and just don't remember) - and that's why his videos are allowed here. But the thing is, and that is all MOO, his videos are not just about crime, and even then it's just speculation most of the time, but he talks about so many other things and gives his opinions that I sometimes find disturbing. One example, and I remember him saying this in a video quite a while ago as well, in some of the recent videos he talks about how children should be spanked and how it should be allowed to spank them and that the world would be a better place if parents did that. Let's just say that I find it confusing that it is ok to post his videos here on a victim-friendly forum and on a forum that discusses cases of child abuse and the murder of children.

Again, MOO and I really just don't get it.

And about PE - I don't think that he is BG but I hope they investigate everything they can to find other victims and to see if he is linked to other murders. From those FB messages you can see that he was a very disturbed human being and what he has done to the woman for hours must have been hell on earth. She even got away and he caught her again. She must have been scared to death.

In those FB messages he mentions that she has some injuries because she was fighting back and he said that as if it was the most normal thing ever. That the woman fights back and gets injured during "sex" (I'm pretty sure that he saw it as that and not as rape). And he said "I wore my wife out" - I wonder what she had to suffer through. While I always like to see these monsters go to trial and get their punishment, I can't say I'm sad that he is not with us anymore.

 

[DD8]

The WS member began posting about page 23 or 24.

Thank you. I somehow missed a few pages!

 

[mtnlites]

So I haven't been following this case much at all, but I DO know @BoggLed in Ohio in "real life" (we are, like, friends and not just WS buddies) and remember, in real time, when she was in the middle of talking to PE and LE. I don't think I have ever been more disturbed and that is saying a lot. I listened to some of GH's video and I do commend him for defending her. She has taken a lot of crap for those screenshots. Glad to see someone speaking out on her behalf. Generally, though, I am not a fan, nor do I want to encourage him by adding to the views. We are all armchair sleuths with various skills. Some just manage to turn themselves into internet celebrities.

I don't think PE is BG, but I am glad his reign of terror is over because I don't think he would have stopped on his own.

 

[TL4S]

This might belong on the Delphi thread, but I'll ask here first.

Has it been clearly stated how LE knows BG has reddish brown hair? Did this come from a witness's description? If we have proof it did, than there's no need to read further.

But...

I ask because that's a detail that didn't change between the OBG sketch and the YBG sketch. And if it didn't come from a witness, than maybe hair was found at the CS (possibly no root, so no complete DNA). Below are two articles about the use of hair in determining things about a person. The first one is long, the second is not.
Review Article - Forensic Hair Comparison: Background Information for Interpretation - April 2009

What can you tell from forensic hair examination? - Crime and Forensic Blog

So if the reddish brown hair description is coming from a hair sample found versus witness statements, couldn't that hair belong to somebody other than the killer?

Now, I'm NOT sold on PE being BG by any means. There's a lot to sway me away from that. But since PE's FB messages were published, I got to thinking more about red hair. That seems to be a common thread among the two crimes. It's likely only a coincidence, but:

-PE had a self-proclaimed penchant for hair with red in it.
-Abby had some red in her hair, IMO
-The suspect description is reddish brown hair

Is it possible that PE hung around red heads (naturals and/or dyed) and transferred one of their hairs to the CS?

I know this is probably crazy talk, but we're not talking about anything else.

 

[tresir2012]

Has it been stated in MSM or other allowed source why PE killed himself? E.g. did he reveal the reason during the standoff, or did he reveal it at all while on the run? Did he get to talk to his wife and if not, why not?

 

[TL4S]

Has it been stated in MSM or other allowed source why PE killed himself? E.g. did he reveal the reason during the standoff, or did he reveal it at all while on the run? Did he get to talk to his wife and if not, why not?

I don't think it's been stated exactly why he did it, but here's something he said during the standoff:

Young Neighbor of Possible Suspect in Delphi Murders Says He Creeped Her Out
"He said he's done some bad things in his life and he's a bad person,” Sheriff Robert Goldsmith of Tippecanoe County, Indiana, told Inside Edition.

As for the phone:

Sheriff who led standoff worries about officers
Without the throw phone, "there was really no negotiations," Nielsen said. The only request Etter had was for a phone to call his wife, which police did not provide.

I also think he talked about killing himself in his fb messages, but I won't elaborate because I don't want to find the link.

 

[FinePrint]

Has it been stated in MSM or other allowed source why PE killed himself? E.g. did he reveal the reason during the standoff, or did he reveal it at all while on the run? Did he get to talk to his wife and if not, why not?

I haven't heard if there was a reason given that he killed him self. LE said before he shot him self he said he has done a lot of bad things in his life and he's a bad person.

LE said he wanted to call his wife but didn't. I think LE was using it as a bargaining tool.

 

[Boxer]

I haven't heard if there was a reason given that he killed him self. LE said before he shot him self he said he has done a lot of bad things in his life and he's a bad person.

LE said he wanted to call his wife but didn't. I think LE was using it as a bargaining tool.

I saw an article that said he shot himself twice in the head. That is committed to his plan.

 

[tresir2012]

So I haven't been following this case much at all, but I DO know @BoggLed in Ohio in "real life" (we are, like, friends and not just WS buddies) and remember, in real time, when she was in the middle of talking to PE and LE. I don't think I have ever been more disturbed and that is saying a lot. I listened to some of GH's video and I do commend him for defending her. She has taken a lot of crap for those screenshots. Glad to see someone speaking out on her behalf. Generally, though, I am not a fan, nor do I want to encourage him by adding to the views. We are all armchair sleuths with various skills. Some just manage to turn themselves into internet celebrities.

I don't think PE is BG, but I am glad his reign of terror is over because I don't think he would have stopped on his own.

What sort of crap do you mean? From the media or SM? She is anonymous so how could that happen?

 

[tresir2012]

What struck me about PE's fb messages, is how unrepentant he sounds about his crimes towards that woman. Anything said about her was nonchalant, as if she was a consensual party. However, he didn't want to go to jail, so he'd decided to kill himself instead.

But then when he refers to the Delphi murders, I believe he used a term like "horrible," or something to that effect. And then he says he believes the girls were unicorns because unicorn blood extends life. In Harry Potter world, from what I've read, unicorns are innocence and purity. If you kill one and drink its blood, you live longer, but you'll be cursed. If he's assuming they were killed for their blood, than in a roundabout way it seems like he's saying the Delphi murderer is cursed for what he did.

So I don't understand why he thinks so poorly of the Delphi killer, while his own crimes of kidnapping, assault, and rape (not to mention trophy making), is ho hum.

ETA: In my head, my post was as clear as a crystal ball, but upon rereading it, clear it ain't. Sorry.

So he believes the girls were unicorns, innocent and pure and that whoever killed them will be cursed. Has he lived a cursed life in his mind the last two and a half years, I wonder?

Just reading over the comments again to make sure I didn't miss anything.