GUILTY IN - Ryan Martin, 29, murdered in suspect Talmadge Jasper's home, Lafayette, 23 May 2019

[Boxer]

I wonder about that too. Moving in with a co-worker of an ex who just happens to live close by is beyond my comprehension involving making good life’s choices. What I wonder, was RM already involved in SR’s life when the protection order was filed against TJ? Was there a reason for anyone to want to destroy TJs credibility? I’m endeavouring to contain my theories but something just seems downright odd about the dynamics going on between these three people.

MOO just alcohol and drugs.

 

[MistyWaters]

MOO just alcohol and drugs.

Most people are exhausted after working a night shift and can’t wait to get some sleep even if they have substance abuse issues. But to begin right away in the morning, no sleep, I don’t know because I can’t speak from experience but that would seem an indication of a very severe out-of-control addiction IMO.

 

[Boxer]

Most people are exhausted after working a night shift and can’t wait to get some sleep even if they have substance abuse issues. But to begin right away in the morning, no sleep, I don’t know because I can’t speak from experience but that would seem an indication of a very severe out-of-control addiction IMO.

MOO I think they were doing deal.One of them was a dealer, or they were splitting something.

 

[MistyWaters]

MOO I think they were doing deal.One of them was a dealer, or they were splitting something.

If SR was truly afraid of TJ and RM was a supportive partner, if TJ was dealing RM could’ve easily reported him to get him busted and arrested and out of SRs life. That leads me to believe it wasn’t TJ who was dealing, if that was involved. Hypothetically then, if RM was the dealer, as he apparently didn’t go home according to SR, then he’d be toting drugs in his vehicle along with possibly driving with his Specialized Driving Permit revoked. That’d be way beyond high risk activity IMO. So I don’t know but other than a mutual binging or using connection, I can’t imagine a logical scenario where either one was actually dealing. Which is why I still can’t get my head around the Protection Order filed by SR, which under normal circumstances would’ve stood between RM and TJ even hanging out together.

 

[Boxer]

If SR was truly afraid of TJ and RM was a supportive partner, if TJ was dealing RM could’ve easily reported him to get him busted and arrested and out of SRs life. That leads me to believe it wasn’t TJ who was dealing, if that was involved. Hypothetically then, if RM was the dealer, as he apparently didn’t go home according to SR, then he’d be toting drugs in his vehicle along with possibly driving with his Specialized Driving Permit revoked. That’d be way beyond high risk activity IMO. So I don’t know but other than a mutual binging or using connection, I can’t imagine a logical scenario where either one was actually dealing. Which is why I still can’t get my head around the Protection Order filed by SR, which under normal circumstances would’ve stood between RM and TJ even hanging out together.

They worked together. So, yes its strange.
Why was Tj working at a plant instead of going to college. He was on his high school academic quiz bowl team. Apparently they got him a lawyer for this.

 

[Sillybilly]

For any members who may be concerned about discussing RM's charges, this is an excerpt from The Rules: Etiquette & Information as it relates to victim behavior:

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There's a fine line between discussing victim behaviour and victim bashing. You can discuss known facts (the behavior), but do not veer off into blaming the victim's death on those known facts (bashing).

 

[IQuestion]

Just thinking this out:
TJ tells Gf and pal, leave my apartment.
TJ asks/gets ride home from RM.
RM is bludgeoned, strangled and hidden in a closet in TJ's apartment.
TJ then drives RM car to RM's house, uses RM'S garage door opener and tries to enter despite
a restraining order against him entering the property.
TJ leaves before police arrive
TJ tells Gf and pal, "you can come back to apartment now"
TJ tells LE, "Yeah, he was here, but left when he got a phone call."
TJ won't let police in or doesn't allow search of his apartment(?) LE has to get search warrant.
TJ is arrested.
TJ is on a No Bond hold
TJ is a very smart man.... academic athlete par excellence
I have the feeling TJ is not being railroaded. Rather his actions, as reported so far, appear to be of a person capable of conducting a train of activity.
So nice to hear he is good to his pets....I'm sure LE noted in their arrest report the animals appeared to be in good condition.
Good night....

 

[tresir2012]

I think he was meeting (moo doing a deal) with Ryan so told the girls they should leave.
Later he had the girls back to see cushions gone. Later if questioned about why he was moving bags out of his apartment he could say "getting a new couch, or new cushions."
Girls would back that up saying they saw the cushions gone that day.
It is known that TJ drove RMs car to RMs apartment, is it known that he left the car there? If so, he could have walked back to his apartment, about a half mile walk. If he left RMs car at RMs home, TJ was likely counting on the missing person search for RM starting later in the day and starting with the idea that RM had gone missing from his own home.
That later start would provide time to allow TJ to clean up. MOO being seen in RM's home was unforeseen, and a quick response by Lafayette police is what disrupted this plot.

He probably needed Ryan's car to dispose of the body and cushions.

 

[tresir2012]

I’ve noticed No Contact orders filed against other defendants prior to their criminal trials and assumed it’s purpose is to prevent contact by any means - no phone calls, no handwritten letters, also no email if he’s allowed any internet access.

Ah good point. And the Warrant and red W against his name? Maybe its a mistake.

 

[tresir2012]

I think that’s a likely scenario too.

The part that doesn’t fit for a diabolical premeditated plan is asking the girls to leave, telling them it was because RM was coming over. In doing so, he placed himself as the last known person to see RM alive, something most murderers tend to avoid if possible.

Instead I wonder if something set TJ off into a murderous rage and as a result he scrambled up a desperate plan to make himself appear innocent, including calling the girls to come back and then acting as if his missing couch cushions were an everyday occurrence.

I wouldn’t be surprised if TJ has physiological issues and also is a pathological liar who denies involvement in a situation even if the facts are staring him in the face.

Perhaps he was going to kill the girls as he had told them about Ryan coming over? Then the police turned up. Those girls were lucky IMO.

 

[Boxer]

He probably needed Ryan's car to dispose of the body and cushions.

Good point. I was assuming TJ had a car.

 

[MNT]

Certain repetitive comments here seem personally motivated.

It's not unusual for a person's relationships to be repetitive and so the woman who had the protective order getting involved with another man with a 'history' is sad but not unusual.

A man has died and according to police he didn't do it to himself. That's what makes me think.

 

[tresir2012]

Certain repetitive comments here seem personally motivated.

It's not unusual for a person's relationships to be repetitive and so the woman who had the protective order getting involved with another man with a 'history' is sad but not unusual.

A man has died and according to police he didn't do it to himself. That's what makes me think.

I'm sorry but I don't follow you. What repetitive comments and what history are you discussing?

 

[tresir2012]

I also can’t think of a reason TJ would be found incompetent to stand trial either. At 18 years of age he was capable of holding down a job and he was involved in relationships with others.

It was allegedly his deliberate and deceptive actions to coverup the murder that caused suspicion to be directed toward him, not that he was suffering some sort of full blown psychotic episode, incapable of knowing he’d murdered RM.

Only guessing, it wouldn’t surprise me at all if TJ puts forth a self-defence argument. That he though RM only wanted to talk so he invited him in but instead RM threatened his life so TJ was forced to defend himself. Classic victim blaming. After he got scared and didn’t report RMs death to LE because he thought nobody would believe his side, the protection order already placed against him and what not. This sort of “pitiful me” story has played out before, usually an unsuccessful defence but the best and only that can be offered to counter the prosecution’s indisputable evidence of potential guilt.

Self defence is usually a good defence, I suppose it depends if TJ had any injuries. His mug appears not to show any visible, like a black eye or split lip for example. Did either of them own a gun I wonder?
MOO

 

[tresir2012]

His address was posted in the paper and birthdate. You just pull up Tippecanoe County and type his name in. You can then look at address

Yes, I can confirm it was him too. I had already looked and checked that info. Then I got sidetracked on something else.

 

[tresir2012]

I have known TJ since he was 14 both on a professional and personal level. You did not upset just wanted to clear it up since I can.

Hey, Welcome to WS Peach. Good to have you here.

 

[MistyWaters]

Self defence is usually a good defence, I suppose it depends if TJ had any injuries. His mug appears not to show any visible, like a black eye or split lip for example. Did either of them own a gun I wonder?
MOO

After reading RM’s criminal history nothing would surprise me.

 

[Purduegirl12]

Good point. I was assuming TJ had a car.

@Boxer where did you see that TJ had RM car?

 

[Purduegirl12]

Ah good point. And the Warrant and red W against his name? Maybe its a mistake.

If you read RM MyCase it shows in the case notes he had a warrant. So I'm sure it wasn't a mistake.

 

[Boxer]

@Boxer where did you see that TJ had RM car?

Sorry, can't find the precise article or the affidavit this morning. This article comes close.

TJ went to Ryan's house at 8:05am.
RM's garage door opener opened the garage door, the noise alerting SR who was there saw TJ and called police. IIRC the article I read indicated that it was RMs car that TJ drove there.

But until I find the affidavit again, it's just MOO.


How a Lafayette murder suspect planned to kill his ex’s boyfriend, according to an affidavit