IN - Three-year-old survives dog attack

[southcitymom]

not just ONE sorry but many dogs attack in unpredicable ways....NOT JUST PIT...i could really care less how you pit bull haters feel you will never make me feel the way you do and you will never see it how i see it... iw ill continue to bring out the stories of non pits sience the pit bull haters seem to only show pits attacking people

Thanks and have a great day!!

Do you think the media just talks about pit bull attacks, Indy Gal? Do you feel like the pit bull attacks get more press somehow?

I feel like any dog attack that ends in a death (particularly the death of a child) gets press. Last year a woman was killed by her Presarios (sp?) in front of her kids - that was all over the media.

The fact that you were able to find an article about this terrible Doberman attack seems to back up my thoughts.

How do you think posting articles on terrible attacks by other dogs will help people feel differently about pit bulls?

I'm not trying to be a smart aleck. I know you love pits and that's cool. I just don't necessarily understand the logic in showing that other breeds also attack. I understand that other breeds also attack and sometimes kill; it just seems to me that pit bulls do it more.

Do you truly not believe a disproportionate number of human maulings and killings happen at the jaws of pit bulls?

PS - I get your ideas about human failings having a hand in all this. Do you think that if pit owning and breeding were outlawed and pits somehow became extinct, humans would pick another breed as their canine weapon?

 

[Jeana (DP)]

According to the Clifton study, pit bulls, Rottweilers, Presa Canarios and their mixes are responsible for 74% of attacks that were included in the study, 68% of the attacks upon children, 82% of the attacks upon adults, 65% of the deaths, and 68% of the maimings. In more than two-thirds of the cases included in the study, the life-threatening or fatal attack was apparently the first known dangerous behavior by the animal in question. Clifton states:

If almost any other dog has a bad moment, someone may get bitten, but will not be maimed for life or killed, and the actuarial risk is accordingly reasonable. If a pit bull terrier or a Rottweiler has a bad moment, often someone is maimed or killed--and that has now created off-the-chart actuarial risk, for which the dogs as well as their victims are paying the price.
Clifton's opinions are as interesting as his statistics.

For example, he says, "Pit bulls and Rottweilers are accordingly dogs who not only must be handled with special precautions, but also must be regulated with special requirements appropriate to the risk they may pose to the public and other animals, if they are to be kept at all."

http://www.dogbitelaw.com/PAGES/statistics.html#Thedogsmostlikelytobite

 

[reb]

it's called denial of the facts, SCM!

just because someone doesn't like the hard cold facts doesn't mean they should distort them. indy, at the very least you could be honest enough to say "well.. i know that pit bulls are far more likely (than most other dogs) to attack and kill other living things, and they are far more dangerous, but i love them anyway."

 

[Jeana (DP)]

In recent years, the dogs responsible for the bulk of the homicides are pit bulls and Rottweilers:

"Studies indicate that pit bull-type dogs were involved in approximately a third of human DBRF (i.e., dog bite related fatalities) reported during the 12-year period from 1981 through1992, and Rottweilers were responsible for about half of human DBRF reported during the 4 years from 1993 through 1996....[T]he data indicate that Rottweilers and pit bull-type dogs accounted for 67% of human DBRF in the United States between 1997 and 1998. It is extremely unlikely that they accounted for anywhere near 60% of dogs in the United States during that same period and, thus, there appears to be a breed-specific problem with fatalities." (Sacks JJ, Sinclair L, Gilchrist J, Golab GC, Lockwood R. Breeds of dogs involved in fatal human attacks in the United States between 1979 and 1998. JAVMA 2000;217:836-840.)

The Clifton study of attacks from 1982 through 2006 produced similar results. According to Clifton study, pit bulls, Rottweilers, Presa Canarios and their mixes were responsible for 65% of the canine homicides that occurred during a period of 24 years in the USA. (Clifton, Dog attack deaths and maimings, U.S. & Canada, September 1982 to November 13, 2006; click here to read it.)

Other breeds were also responsible for homicides, but to a much lesser extent. A 1997 study of dog bite fatalities in the years 1979 through 1996 revealed that the following breeds had killed one or more persons: pit bulls, Rottweilers, German shepherds, huskies, Alaskan malamutes, Doberman pinschers, chows, Great Danes, St. Bernards and Akitas. (Dog Bite Related Fatalities," Morbidity and Mortality Weekly Report, May 30, 1997, Vol. 46, No. 21, pp. 463 et. seq.) Since 1975, fatal attacks have been attributed to dogs from at least 30 breeds.

http://www.dogbitelaw.com/PAGES/statistics.html#Thedogsmostlikelytobite

 

[reb]

jeana.. you know damn well they're not reporting all those mauling deaths by poodles along with that study, because they are big pit bull-hating meanies!!

 

[Jeana (DP)]

jeana.. you know damn well they're not reporting all those mauling deaths by poodles along with that study, because they are big pit bull-hating meanies!!

Gotta read all of it darlin, not just the part about the pits:

The most horrifying example of the lack of breed predictability is the October 2000 death of a 6-week-old baby, which was killed by her family's Pomeranian dog. The average weight of a Pomeranian is about 4 pounds, and they are not thought of as a dangerous breed. Note, however, that they were bred to be watchdogs! The baby's uncle left the infant and the dog on a bed while the uncle prepared her bottle in the kitchen. Upon his return, the dog was mauling the baby, who died shortly afterwards. ("Baby Girl Killed by Family Dog," Los Angeles Times, Monday, October 9, 2000, Home Edition, Metro Section, Page B-5.)

 

[reb]

yeah, but that's just one, and it was a baby. what about the other thousands of vicious mauling deaths by poodles, poms, & teacup chihuahuas every year, that are going unreported?? where are THOSE reports, huh? you know it's just a vast anti-pit bull conspiracy! pits don't REALLY account for most maulings and deaths, it's just lies, lies lies, by the evil media!

 

[Jeana (DP)]

yeah, but that's just one, and it was a baby. what about the other thousands of vicious mauling deaths by poodles, poms, & teacup chihuahuas every year, that are going unreported?? where are THOSE reports, huh? you know it's just a vast anti-pit bull conspiracy! pits don't REALLY account for most maulings and deaths, it's just lies, lies lies, by the evil media!

How do you know they're going unreported? Not to get personal with you, but I would think its virtually impossible for you to read every single written publication in existence, see very news program and see every single website that might have reported on them.

They didn't make up these reports about the pit bulls. They actually happened. So, how you can say that the media reporting them is "just lies, lies, lies," is not true. They just report the news, they don't make it happen.

 

[reb]

come on,, jeana! don't you know me yet...?? i kid, i kid!!!

 

[C.Whalen]

I would be in total support of an all out pit bull ban. I would even go so far as to add Presa Canario, Argentino Dogo and Cane Corso to the list.
Every dog breed is here to do a job and pit bull were bred to fight. Well as far as I know it is illegal to hold dog fights in the U.S. and Canada. That being the case I am wondering why these dogs are still being bred!

 

[Jeana (DP)]

I would be in total support of an all out pit bull ban. I would even go so far as to add Presa Canario, Argentino Dogo and Cane Corso to the list.
Every dog breed is here to do a job and pit bull were bred to fight. Well as far as I know it is illegal to hold dog fights in the U.S. and Canada. That being the case I am wondering why these dogs are still being bred!

Ditto.

 

[packerdog]

In recent years, the dogs responsible for the bulk of the homicides are pit bulls and Rottweilers:

"Studies indicate that pit bull-type dogs were involved in approximately a third of human DBRF (i.e., dog bite related fatalities) reported during the 12-year period from 1981 through1992, and Rottweilers were responsible for about half of human DBRF reported during the 4 years from 1993 through 1996....[T]he data indicate that Rottweilers and pit bull-type dogs accounted for 67% of human DBRF in the United States between 1997 and 1998. It is extremely unlikely that they accounted for anywhere near 60% of dogs in the United States during that same period and, thus, there appears to be a breed-specific problem with fatalities." (Sacks JJ, Sinclair L, Gilchrist J, Golab GC, Lockwood R. Breeds of dogs involved in fatal human attacks in the United States between 1979 and 1998. JAVMA 2000;217:836-840.)

The Clifton study of attacks from 1982 through 2006 produced similar results. According to Clifton study, pit bulls, Rottweilers, Presa Canarios and their mixes were responsible for 65% of the canine homicides that occurred during a period of 24 years in the USA. (Clifton, Dog attack deaths and maimings, U.S. & Canada, September 1982 to November 13, 2006; click here to read it.)

Other breeds were also responsible for homicides, but to a much lesser extent. A 1997 study of dog bite fatalities in the years 1979 through 1996 revealed that the following breeds had killed one or more persons: pit bulls, Rottweilers, German shepherds, huskies, Alaskan malamutes, Doberman pinschers, chows, Great Danes, St. Bernards and Akitas. (Dog Bite Related Fatalities," Morbidity and Mortality Weekly Report, May 30, 1997, Vol. 46, No. 21, pp. 463 et. seq.) Since 1975, fatal attacks have been attributed to dogs from at least 30 breeds.

http://www.dogbitelaw.com/PAGES/statistics.html#Thedogsmostlikelytobite

Wooff, Wooff! Thanks Jeana.

 

[reb]

why are they still being bred? because... (see my previous posts).. people think it's cool to have something that is dangerous & forbidden, and it makes them feel tough. then there's some who don't fall into that category and love the breed but are sadly in extreme denial. and as for breeding them, people know they can make big bucks.
as for those other 2 dogs... of couse they should be lumped in with the pits... perhaps with even bigger fines and penalties, since they are bigger and even more dangrous.

i remember when i used to live in an east coast ghetto, i could always hear the snarling and gnashing of teeth of local thugs fighting their pit bulls in their basement, somewhere nearby.. it was horrible.
who knows what they were killing, along with each other. when your pet cat would go missing, you could pretty much assume what happened to it. once a girl was walking her pit monster (or her drug dealer boyfriend's?) down the street on my block and there was a family sitting on their steps, like they did every night, with their cat they'd had for 18 years. the monster lunged at the cat and tore it to shreds right before their very eyes, the family was hysterical, and the b*tch just kept strolling by with her nose in the air like nothing happened, with this 'it ain't my fault!' attitude.

 

[sassy_texasbelle2]

I am going to see if Kathy can find the pictures of Thomas after he was mauled. Maybe this will help some understand what these dogs can do to a human being. I do not mean just pits, I mean dogs that are not controlled. I guess until you can see it first hand you cannot understand the devestation they can do to a human body.

 

[dingo]

Ive mentioned on another thread that here in Oz any breeding of pitties is banned and any PittBull still existing must be muzzled in public......its seems to be working so far.

 

[C.Whalen]

Where I live pits also must be spayed, neutered, on leash and muzzles at all times when not on their own property. This even applies to off-leash parks.
I still see people walking them unmuzzled all the time. It is just so hard to control.

 

[Indy Gal]

While I have Never said they are not more likely to attack, I am standing behing saying that the breed in general is a loving breed when treated and BRED right. When these familys are getting these dogs they are more than likely to get a dog that has not been bred right. I dont want to offend anyone which is why i am trying my hardest not to let myself get worked up about it. from the paper I got yesterday at Indianapolis Pet Fest, where I worked all day, the website is listed at the bottom www.animalfarmfoundation.org

The American kennel Club defines the Staffordshire Bull Terrier as Follows:

Staffordshire Bull Terries are genentle, affectionate, trustworthy, and loyal. From the past history of the SBT, the moderan dog draws its character if indomitable curage, high intelligence, and tenacity. this, coupled with its affection for its friends, and children in particular, its off duty quitness and trustworthy stability, makes it a foremost all-purpose dog.


go to the link and search pit bull and see what you come up with.

 

[Indy Gal]

why are they still being bred? because... (see my previous posts).. people think it's cool to have something that is dangerous & forbidden, and it makes them feel tough. then there's some who don't fall into that category and love the breed but are sadly in extreme denial. and as for breeding them, people know they can make big bucks.
as for those other 2 dogs... of couse they should be lumped in with the pits... perhaps with even bigger fines and penalties, since they are bigger and even more dangrous.

i remember when i used to live in an east coast ghetto, i could always hear the snarling and gnashing of teeth of local thugs fighting their pit bulls in their basement, somewhere nearby.. it was horrible.
who knows what they were killing, along with each other. when your pet cat would go missing, you could pretty much assume what happened to it. once a girl was walking her pit monster (or her drug dealer boyfriend's?) down the street on my block and there was a family sitting on their steps, like they did every night, with their cat they'd had for 18 years. the monster lunged at the cat and tore it to shreds right before their very eyes, the family was hysterical, and the b*tch just kept strolling by with her nose in the air like nothing happened, with this 'it ain't my fault!' attitude.

I pray to god you calle dsomeone until it was discovered!!!!! Please tell me you called someone and they were found.

 

[reb]

indygal... wish i could say that i did... if i did do it, i don't remember. i was a lot younger then, and in that neighborhood there was so much going on every day it would make your head spin. it was just a matter of staying alive yourself without getting mugged or killed. i don't even know if it registered completely what the sound was.... i probably thought it was just dogs fighting in an alley, but now i know for sure what it was.. because it was coming from a basement and it happened repeatedly. i did call the cops all the time, for people selling drugs in front of my house, for the sound of gunfire when it was too close for comfort.. like the alley behind my house.. that sort of thing. the poor cops were so overworked and burned out anyway... they couldn't begin to keep up with everything. (well, the good ones where anyway). this is a city that had been more or less taken over by drug dealers, addicts and criminals.. they rule the streets and god forbid if one of them finds out you 'snitched' on them. the neighborhood was going downhill quickly since crack arrived, the projects nearby had been torn down (and guess where everyone moved?) and we had a black mayor who was a total idiot and did nothing while the city fell apart... it ws a nightmare. which is why i got the hell out!

also too many stories also of people whose cats were hanging out in their own fenced backyards and some neighbor's pitbull would scale the fence and tear them to bloody shreds.

i know that at their best, these dogs have some good qualities.. but my argument is why have that kind of liabity when there are hundreds of other fantastic dogs to choose from, who have been bred for their gentleness and not being a 'bully' (hence the name BULLY breeds..) who have those same great qualities and MORE.. and are NOT associated with drug dealers and thugs, and that are NOT killing machines....? as for being safe around children.... there's no way i would risk my kid (if i had one, or any kid i cared about) being around one. i'm sure that some well-trained ones might be fine. but WHY on earth would you take that risk, with your child? the possible consequenses are just too horrific and just not worth it. yes of course you need to watch your kid with any dog.. but these especially.

 

[reb]

well, it's the truth.. i'm not sayng anything that isn't true. that's what happened.