Inconsistencies in DB's Story

[kansascitypi]

I am having to believe this is some more bad reporting. Why would only one out of town newspaper be the ONLY one reporting this info? Doesn't make any kind of sense. Isn't this also the same paper that mistakenly stated that he stayed there? No other paper has reported this. Not local. Not national.

As a former news reporter, I can answer this for you with certainty. Many out of town news media rewrite other people's stories and the accuracy suffers. Instead of giving credit to the reporter and their organization, they want to make it look like they got the information. KSPR in Springfield, MO and a TV station in Florida (NBC affiliate) comes to mind in this case most prominently.

 

[hambirg]

Did DB/JI actually accuse/insinuate something about JB? I'd like to hear it from their own mouths first.

They cannot open up the time frame. They cannot try to float the story that BL was abducted prior to 11:30pm because that puts awake human beings in the house at that time (two boys, one girl at certain times).

DB/JI have not accused anyone. It has been the job of their defense team to insinuate who might be a possible SODDI. I don't expect that to change.

Please remember that you said they cannot try to change the timeline. Don't worry, I'll remind you if you don't.

If they don't change that timeline it is IMO that they remove the two most likely SODDI's. It is heavily rumored that Jersey is alibied for that time period. It's an air tight one for that time so that would completely take Jersey out of the picture if this timeline stands.

What time did JB text SB?

 

[vlpate]

I think we went over this before, but isn't normal human reaction, when you come out of a sleep, the first things someone says to you is 'the lights are on, window open and door unlocked, what happened', wouldn't a normal person auto alert to that, coming out of a sleep. I assume the sleep was somewhat a deep sleep, since she had been drinking.

Well, the latest (Dr. P show), is she wasn't startled out of a deep sleep, and that is not what I wrote. I wrote she was startled out of bed. Remember, the newest version is that she and JI "chatted" for a few minutes before she jumped out of bed. I think that's the latest - maybe this is the one in between his checking all the kids to just checking the boys and he and DB checked on Lisa together. So, if they were just chatting and he mentioned the lights on, etc., etc., then no, I don't think it's normal for her to be startled since she felt she did all three "alarming" offenses.

Hard to know which version is correct - or which fits "their" truth.

 

[vlpate]

DB/JI have not accused anyone. It has been the job of their defense team to insinuate who might be a possible SODDI. I don't expect that to change.

Please remember that you said they cannot try to change the timeline. Don't worry, I'll remind you if you don't.

If they don't change that timeline it is IMO that they remove the two most likely SODDI's. It is heavily rumored that Jersey is alibied for that time period. It's an air tight one for that time so that would completely take Jersey out of the picture if this timeline stands.

What time did JB text SB?

Around 10:30 - when DB went in and she and the other SB were in front of Samantha's house talking.

 

[SyraKelly]

This is not a misstatement depending on how you look at it. According to DB, she did turn all the lights off. She doesn't consider the night lights/oven stove as part of turning out the lights.

OK..I see what your saying-I was having a hard time there for a second understanding what you were saying,but I got it now!!

 

[vlpate]

This is not a misstatement depending on how you look at it. According to DB, she did turn all the lights off. She doesn't consider the night lights/oven stove as part of turning out the lights.

How does she know she turned them all off? You didn't include the computer room.

How does she remember this and not checking on Lisa? Anything?

 

[cityslick]

DB/JI have not accused anyone. It has been the job of their defense team to insinuate who might be a possible SODDI. I don't expect that to change.

Please remember that you said they cannot try to change the timeline. Don't worry, I'll remind you if you don't.

If they don't change that timeline it is IMO that they remove the two most likely SODDI's. It is heavily rumored that Jersey is alibied for that time period. It's an air tight one for that time so that would completely take Jersey out of the picture if this timeline stands.

What time did JB text SB?

Where did you hear the rumor about the Jersey alibi? Just curious.

 

[Donjeta]

This is not a misstatement depending on how you look at it. According to DB, she did turn all the lights off. She doesn't consider the night lights/oven stove as part of turning out the lights.

JMO but I don't think so because of the context. The relevant context is did she turn off the lights that were found to be on at night and if the stove light and the night lights were on she has to consider whether she turned the night lights and stove lights off.

Otherwise it makes no sense. These are the lights that everybody is interested in. Did an intruder turn them on or did DB leave them on? Other lights are irrelevant.

 

[annalia]

Funny how she remembers, in detail, which lights she left on, but not whether or not she checked on BL. Besides, they have two little boys, those lights (with the exception of the computer room), should have been left on.

The abductor took Lisa and the three phones by the light of a night light and an overhead stove light? Awesome.

According to JI's own words, he says that there were "more lights on then he would expect". Why would he say that if only the normal night lights were on? Night lights are more than he expected? Was he drunk when he came home?

AT 1:55 in this video. He says two kitchen lights, living room light, accent lights ( which presumably are in addition to the other lights) and a small pumpkin light in the computer room. And DB says she doesn't remember turning off the lights.

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[cityslick]

How does she know she turned them all off? You didn't include the computer room.

How does she remember this and not checking on Lisa? Anything?

I don't know. I brought up months ago the theory of doing something so routine that you initially assume you did it even if you can't completely remember it. That's the only explanation I have.

 

[cityslick]

JMO but I don't think so because of the context. The relevant context is did she turn off the lights that were found to be on at night and if the stove light and the night lights were on she has to consider whether she turned the night lights and stove lights off.

Otherwise it makes no sense. These are the lights that everybody is interested in. Did an intruder turn them on or did DB leave them on? Other lights are irrelevant.

That's because her definition of lights being on, JI's definition of lights being on, and your definition of lights being on is not the same. It's their house, so perhaps there is an understanding when one says 'the lights are on'. Their understanding (at least DB's) is the lights do not entail those that are always on to begin with. Did the early interviews clarify which lights she 'turned off'. If she said in the beginning, I turned every light off and then the follow up question was 'what about night lights' and she said 'they were off', then you got something.

 

[hambirg]

This is not a misstatement depending on how you look at it. According to DB, she did turn all the lights off. She doesn't consider the night lights/oven stove as part of turning out the lights.

Did she just misstate here too?

JI: “I returned home from work at around 4 a.m., and windows were open and lights were on, and she was nowhere to be found.”

Reporter: “Right there, that’s so unusual. The window’s open, the lights on. That wouldn’t be normal at all?”

DB: “No.”

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So DB leaving the nightlight and the stove light on wouldn't be normal? She sure made it sound like on Dr.Phil that it was pretty normal and it wasn't anything alarming. MOO

 

[dog.gone.cute]

DB does a alcohol run @ 5:00pm and SB does another @ 6:00pm. What were they really up to that night? Why the need for so much booze JUST for two ladies. Both of these ladies have left out an important piece of the puzzle. I don't buy this story, not even a little bit. They were up to something. They were up to serious partying. All we need to know is with who and what the real reason was. It was just not the two gals as DB would like everyone to believe.

BBM: I am so glad you brought this point up ... :doh: I had forgotten about SB making an "alcohol run" ...

I have said this so many times : There is something VERY HINKY about Deb's "wine run" with her brother ...

And I know -- I know -- Deb bought some "baby items" ... :waitasec: JMO but it could be part of the "cover story" ...

None of their stories make sense. Why didn't she ask SB to drive her to get the booze? Why did Db have to call her brother to drive over there to take her to a store for booze (imo, the other items was a ruse) when there were two drivers sitting there? Why did Phil leave right away after dropping DB off at her house when SB was there and it looked like the girls were going to party.

When did the really all sit down for this homey family meal? Or was there a meal? And why did DB find it necessary to keep Lisa in her bed when SB returned from the second booze run? The only thing DB knows for sure is she put Lisa down @ 6:40pm. Lisa was allegedly in her bed @ 4:30pm also.

Why? Most of the stories are lies.

BBM: Exactly -- none of the "stories" make sense AND add to these unbelievable stories the "inconsistencies" from DB ...

And as to the "homey family meal" -- I believe this was "made up" by DB as an "AFTER THOUGHT" the "wine run" story came out ... :waitasec: I wonder what they all for dinner that night ? Does she remember what they ate ?

:doh: That's right ... Deb would not remember what was for dinner because she was "drunk" -- and this came straight from Deb ...

All JMO ... and MOO ...

 

[cityslick]

BBM: I am so glad you brought this point up ... :doh: I had forgotten about SB making an "alcohol run" ...

I have said this so many times : There is something VERY HINKY about Deb's "wine run" with her brother ...

And I know -- I know -- Deb bought some "baby items" ... :waitasec: JMO but it could be part of the "cover story" ...







BBM: Exactly -- none of the "stories" make sense AND add to these unbelievable stories the "inconsistencies" from DB ...

And as to the "homey family meal" -- I believe this was "made up" by DB as an "AFTER THOUGHT" the "wine run" story came out ... :waitasec: I wonder what they all for dinner that night ? Does she remember what they ate ?

:doh: That's right ... Deb would not remember what was for dinner because she was "drunk" -- and this came straight from Deb ...

All JMO ... and MOO ...

Read RR's comments. SB doesn't like/drink wine, hence her going out for herself.

 

[SyraKelly]

DB told me she had a buzz. I questioned how drunk she was. She said she was not to the point of passing out. Again, for what it's worth. She said there was wine left over and the LE measured the amount. See you all later. I'm headed out to brave the snowy/icy roads to serve a few summonses.

Now-didn't she say something different to Megan Kelly about this-I don't know how to post an intereview-but I remember it was different than KCPI version.

 

[dog.gone.cute]

The more I think about it..Lisa could have been gone from the home before 6:40pm. No one saw her at dinner and no one saw her after that. Exactly when was Lisa bathed and her pajamas put on her?

Maybe those runs were part of a disposal..

BBM: Exactly ! And I sure would like to know IF the 2 boys saw a LIVE Lisa the evening of Oct 4 ...

Those "runs" are VERY HINKY ...

All JMO and MOO ...

 

[Whisperer]

Facing the Irwin house, on which side does SB live/d?

 

[hambirg]

Where did you hear the rumor about the Jersey alibi? Just curious.

It's out there. A poster here, who is a member of the press, has alluded to it as well. I don't think it is anything new.

 

[cityslick]

BBM: Exactly ! And I sure would like to know IF the 2 boys saw a LIVE Lisa the evening of Oct 4 ...

Those "runs" are VERY HINKY ...

All JMO and MOO ...

Don't you think that would of come out of the boys' interviews to LE?

 

[hambirg]

Around 10:30 - when DB went in and she and the other SB were in front of Samantha's house talking.

Ok, thanks. I will assume that LE has looked at his phone records and knows where he was during that time. Depending on how close he was, he still might be a possible SODDI. But remember we are talking about a mere 27minutes between 11:30pm and when the attempted phone call to MW was made at 11:57pm.