Inconsistencies in DB's Story

[Dewey2Me1MoThyme]

Have a very vivid memory of seeing my baby sister floating face down in a hotel pool when I was ten..maybe eleven years old. The only sound was my Mother who found her, screaming, frozen at the side of the pool. My Mother loves my sister very much. It happens.

So sorry for your loss.

I remember coming home from school for lunch and finding my mother on the floor crying just moments after her hearing the news President Kennedy was assinated. My family is canadian, so I could only imagine had it been one of her own children who had been abducted. Heck when my oldest brother broke his collar bone in a skating accident she was all tears and wringing her hands.

 

[katydid23]

She very well might have called him as soon as she was done talking to LE. We don't know how long they were talking to her or what about.

I just think it is weird that she did not call him immediately upon hearing the baby was missing. He lived next door as well, maybe he knew something, saw something or had some input.

 

[hambirg]

Deb might have originally thought that when Jeremy said 'all the lights' that there were more on than just the lights she left on and that he turned them off on his way into bed. By the time they discussed it and realized that it was actually just the few lights (possibly one/or two more than normal) it was already blown out of proportion. If Deb had the overhead lights on and Sam and Shane were standing in Sams yard, they would have seen the lights go out even if it was just the glow from the window dimming.

BBM

That's the thing that makes me go :banghead: !

Why is everything DB has ever said have to be clarified and surmised about what she was really thinking or perhaps what she really meant? When she says she turned off all the lights, why can't we take that at face value? Are you positive in someway that when she originally said that that is not what she meant? Can she not speak clearly? Does she not fully grasp the English language?

The lights were used as a justification and evidence that something was amiss. .. that somebody had been in the house. If DB didn't mean that she turned all the lights off, why didn't she correct SB when she said that the lights were off when she went inside? Why didn't DB speak up then and say. . .well, there were some lights on. . blah blah blah? It seems that that would be important as to whether some intruder was in the house turning on lights.

None of it makes sense. DB can speak for herself without people having to translate for her.

MOO

 

[iamnotagolem]

Yes I saw that. 2 people who knew her several years ago. But they didnt even really say much, just that DB liked attention basically. And I did see the things from family members, but to me it didn't make her look bad. Nothing about her being a thief, a pathological liar, a drug addict, an abusive mother, etc. Not anything CLOSE to being able to say she has a criminal mind.

She was drunk when her baby disappeared, and she hadn't checked on her for hours. Is there anything to say about her that would make her look worse than that? JI watched the kids while she went to the store for booze, he was apparently not opposed to her drinking while caring for their children. I just don't know what anyone outside could say that would make them look worse.

ETA: Just to clarify the point I'm trying to make. None of DB & JI's friends/relatives/acquaintances/past associates would feel the need to come forth to mention anything disparaging, since it was all revealed to begin with.

 

[melissasmom]

Actually, there has been. There was the girl who came out to say that DB had "come on" to her husband. Then there was the past "friend" of DB's who said that DB was a "drama queen" and finally, the woman who said that DB had lived with her and used to take her car out driving when the woman went to bed. I'm sure there are more, but perhaps the media just doesn't find their stories that sensational now that everything has been so quiet.

The Enquirer story I disregard. This same person gave an interview to MSM and said nothing of the sort, so that doesn't mean much to me. Being a drama queen, while irritating to many, is not criminal. The car thing is a new one to me.
But I still don't see anything horrific. And I would bet if some people went to the media with "juicy" stories about DB and criminal behavior they would be all over it. (as long as they could VERIFY it)
Now I am not saying that she dose NOT have some type of personality disorder, or criminal thinking, what have you. I just don't see any evidence of it from what we know.

 

[vlpate]

I havent seen hardly anything, except for the 2 friends who knew her when she was still with her husband. So I guess I missed something.

http://www.kansas.com/2011/11/06/2091772/relatives-speak-on-missing-baby.html

(excerpt)
"The day of the Amber Alert, Hazel Bradley, Debbie's mother-in-law, heard about it from a neighbor. She rushed inside to keep her 9-year-old away from the TV.

But she was too late. Her daughter had slipped in from the school bus, saw the news and was crying: Mom! Somebody took Debbie's baby! They took her!

Bradley held her as they watched the live news conferences. She texted her stepson, Sean Bradley, who is still legally married to Debbie.

Sean hasn't talked with his wife for more than two years. Hazel hasn't been in contact, either, but photographs of Debbie still are scattered throughout her house. She's lived in Hazel's Independence home at different times.

Sean is the father to Debbie's 5-year-old son who lives with her and Irwin. Hazel says Sean hadn't known that Lisa was born."

 

[Sparklin]

duplicate post ... sorry

 

[cityslick]

Dr. Drew
“I think baby Lisa's parents are hiding something,” Dr. Drew stated...

Missing Baby Lisa Irwin: Lawyer Says Parents Have ‘Something to Hide’
"Ziegler said a close look at the case would suggest that one of the family members had something to do with the child's disappearance."

Rod Wheeler - former homicide investigator

" “As a homicide investigator, it tells me that the Kansas City Police Department has been correct in focusing on these two people.”

Just to name a few....

The majority of the public suspects DB, this isn't news. When has a TH actually said 'I think this person is innocent in one of these cases?

 

[Sparklin]

Seriously how many of you would wait that long if your child vanished from the crib? This is not a missing watch or bike, for Pete's Sake!

Jeremy left his job at 3:30 per LE -- on camera. It takes, per locals, approx. 15 minutes or so to get to his home. Turns out some lights (computer room for sure) tries to close window...obviously he is not aware that his daughter has been kidnapped. He speaks with Deb...THEN then notice. So it def. was NOT 15 minutes before he called. Once they noticed Lisa gone it might have been 3-5 minutes, confirming that she was not with Sam...IMO

 

[norest4thewicked]

And they had to go back how long to get this info?? Nobody in the present has had anything bad to say about her. I am sure any of us would have somebody say something against us going back that far.

I don't know how far back they went to talk to people and, respectfully, I'm also quite sure that we don't know every single thing that was or wasn't said about her, or him for that matter. I was commenting to a person that said that they hadn't heard one thing said negative about her. And, I agree with you that there probably isn't a person on earth that you couldn't find something negative to say about. But, I was simply saying that there was something negative to say...whether it was 10 years ago or 10 days ago. I bet there is a lot more that we aren't privy to as well.

 

[melissasmom]

She was drunk when her baby disappeared, and she hadn't checked on her for hours. Is there anything to say about her that would make her look worse than that? JI watched the kids while she went to the store for booze, he was apparently not opposed to her drinking while caring for their children. I just don't know what anyone outside could say that would make them look worse.

Oh, I can think of many things that are worse. Assaulting people, beating your kids, being a drug addict, stealing, embezzling. A one time instance of REALLY bad judgement? Yeah, there are a whole lot of things that are worse.

JMO

 

[askfornina]

 

[Dewey2Me1MoThyme]

The majority of the public suspects DB, this isn't news. When has a TH actually said 'I think this person is innocent in one of these cases?

Only one (TH) that cones to mind is NG who thinks the world rises and sets around anything Ronald Cummings has to say. :what:

 

[melissasmom]

http://www.kansas.com/2011/11/06/2091772/relatives-speak-on-missing-baby.html

(excerpt)
"The day of the Amber Alert, Hazel Bradley, Debbie's mother-in-law, heard about it from a neighbor. She rushed inside to keep her 9-year-old away from the TV.

But she was too late. Her daughter had slipped in from the school bus, saw the news and was crying: Mom! Somebody took Debbie's baby! They took her!

Bradley held her as they watched the live news conferences. She texted her stepson, Sean Bradley, who is still legally married to Debbie.

Sean hasn't talked with his wife for more than two years. Hazel hasn't been in contact, either, but photographs of Debbie still are scattered throughout her house. She's lived in Hazel's Independence home at different times.

Sean is the father to Debbie's 5-year-old son who lives with her and Irwin. Hazel says Sean hadn't known that Lisa was born."

I did see this. Is there something "bad" about DB in this story?

 

[norest4thewicked]

The Enquirer story I disregard. This same person gave an interview to MSM and said nothing of the sort, so that doesn't mean much to me. Being a drama queen, while irritating to many, is not criminal. The car thing is a new one to me.
But I still don't see anything horrific. And I would bet if some people went to the media with "juicy" stories about DB and criminal behavior they would be all over it. (as long as they could VERIFY it)
Now I am not saying that she dose NOT have some type of personality disorder, or criminal thinking, what have you. I just don't see any evidence of it from what we know.

Okay then. If you want to disregard everything that you have heard or read or what others tell you, that's absolutely your right. And, I never said anything "horrific" was in any of these reports. I think the fact that DB was drinking for hours while she had a sick baby inside and then got blacked out drunk (according to her) was enough for me personally to see a lot of "horrific." I don't have to hear it from anyone from her past.

 

[iamnotagolem]

Oh, I can think of many things that are worse. Assaulting people, beating your kids, being a drug addict, stealing, embezzling. A one time instance of REALLY bad judgement? Yeah, there are a whole lot of things that are worse.

JMO

I think if DB or JI were in the habit of assaulting people they'd have been arrested and that would be in court documents for easy finding. If they were beating their kids, how would anyone outside the family know? Being a drug addict? Yup makes a pretty poor parent, and yes I agree if someone came forward and said they were drug addicts it would be worse than finding out that they neglected the kids for hours on end while sitting outside getting drunk. Stealing & embezzling? I still think getting drunk and neglecting your kids is worse.

As far as it being a one time instance, that's not the impression I've had of DB's drinking. I thought she said in an interview that she drank 3+ times a week. She was in the habit of drinking, which makes for an irresponsible parent.

If friends or relatives were coming forth with dirt about DB & JI, I wouldn't think they'd be revealing criminal activity, I guess I must have misunderstood what you were saying earlier. I thought you were referring more to just gossipy dirt.

 

[Little Ol Me]

I'm sorry for your loss, how horrible. You make the point though, that is how a mother reacts when she knows her child is dead. If your mother thought she were alive and actively drowning, she probably would have gone into action mode.

IMO, DB was acting like the mother who has heard the news her child is dead.

I don't think that is true of all mother's.
I was visiting a good friend when her small daughter was hit by a car. We both ran outside together. The mom just fell to the ground screaming. Another neighbor went to help her up and she fainted. I was the one who went to the little girl and comforted her as best I could until rescue got there.
Resue treated both little girl & mom.....The little girl was not seriously injured thankfully. She had a broken leg.

 

[highflyer]

I'm sorry for your loss, how horrible. You make the point though, that is how a mother reacts when she knows her child is dead. If your mother thought she were alive and actively drowning, she probably would have gone into action mode.

IMO, DB was acting like the mother who has heard the news her child is dead.

No, my sister is very much alive. She did look like she was dead though. Pale blonde hair floating on the water and no movement at all. We were on vacation and everyone was getting ready to go swimming and looked around and no baby, anywhere. Mom went one way, Dad and my brother another and my sister and I off to the playground to look. Next thing I remember is Mom screaming and we went running. Saw Mom first kind of hunched over,screaming looking into the pool. My sister was facedown toward the diving board. My sister and I couldn't really swim but we kind of dog paddled over and turned her over and by that time my Dad was there and we pushed her over to the side and Dad grabbed her and she was limp but he started chest compression and she jerked and started shaking. Couldn't see her face, we were still in the pool holding on to the side. Mom hadn't stopped screaming, think she was in shock. Not the best vacation we had. Kind of the worst day and best day ever.

 

[norest4thewicked]

Just to reiterate...and this is my personal opinion...leaving a sick child alone and not checking on them for hours while you are sitting outside getting drunk (to whatever degree) is, to me, BAD. Sorry...I just feel that way. I am not a prude by any means, but I also raised five children and I can tell you that I never did this and never would. So, I don't need to hear from any past friends or relatives to tell me that she was not being a good mom that night and, the opposite of good is bad.

 

[iamnotagolem]

Okay then. If you want to disregard everything that you have heard or read or what others tell you, that's absolutely your right. And, I never said anything "horrific" was in any of these reports. I think the fact that DB was drinking for hours while she had a sick baby inside and then got blacked out drunk (according to her) was enough for me personally to see a lot of "horrific." I don't have to hear it from anyone from her past.

BBM, that's the point I was trying to make. Thanks for saying it more smartly.