Interesting ...

[BlueCrab]

Almost all boys are masturbating by 10, and most begin when they are 5 or 6, to some degree.

That's correct. Actually, toddlers begin playing with themselves soon after they discover what's down there. It feels good so they do it.

As far as young boys ejaculating, I had pubic hair and could ejaculate at age 11.

 

[narlacat]

Almost all boys are masturbating by 10, and most begin when they are 5 or 6, to some degree.


I agree. My six yr old boy has been playing with 'it' since he was very little. They just can't help it. If he is particulary happy about something....like when he is watching a fave tv show....he plays with it constantly and makes it grow big! I think it amazes him that he can make it change size.

 

[duffy]

I know boys touch their penis', stimulate, become erect etc. and actually there isn't any reason in this case to figure it out because I was wrong, but 10 seems young to ejaculate to me. 11 is a little better, it does seem to be a turning point age for boys. Oh well. I still hate to see kids become sexual so young because they aren't ready for it emotionally and dam*it they oughta be out playing basketball! lol

 

[GuruJosh]

I know boys touch their penis', stimulate, become erect etc. and actually there isn't any reason in this case to figure it out because I was wrong, but 10 seems young to ejaculate to me. 11 is a little better, it does seem to be a turning point age for boys. Oh well. I still hate to see kids become sexual so young because they aren't ready for it emotionally and dam*it they oughta be out playing basketball! lol

lol well at the risk of freaking anyone out, i'll delve into some more detail about what our gallant young males get up to at that age.

i can only talk about my case, but everything i have ever experienced has led me to believe that i am fairly typical (see BC's comment too )

i started masturbating around 5, and by around 8 i was masturbating till i achieved orgasm. When you're pre-pubescent, you have a normal orgasm but nothing comes out. You don't ejaculate, .. or rather, you DO ejaculate but there is no semen.

So at the age of 10, most boys are not just "touching themselves"... they are ejaculating, but no semen is coming out.

In my case, semen starting coming out when i was about 12. But nothing else changed... i still just ... err... masturbated to orgasm.

Sorry for being so direct Yowie! :crazy:

so yes i think it would be unusual if Burke ejaculated semen at 9 going on 10. Quite unusual in fact, and improbable. But he would almost certainly be masturbating all the way to orgasm, if he was a normal, average kid.

And of course, we really have no idea what kind of kid he was! unfortunately. Apparently he played some mean nintendo though

 

[BlueCrab]

Actually, no one is claiming that Burke was able to ejaculate at age nine. The only semen at the crime scene was JAR's, and that was on a blanket inside the blue suitcase under the window.

The 10 markers of male DNA found mixed with JonBenet's blood in the crotch of her panties was believed to be from the perp's saliva. However, I don't know how the lab determined it to be from saliva -- why couldn't it be from semen?

 

[narlacat]

Wow Guru , gosh! I honestly didnt think you guys started doing that and getting results by the age 8!!

 

[GuruJosh]

Wow Guru , gosh! I honestly didnt think you guys started doing that and getting results by the age 8!!

it's secret men's business, if a boy tells you then he is obliged to kill you!

 

[GuruJosh]

Actually, no one is claiming that Burke was able to ejaculate at age nine.

Right. As far as i can tell, this little thread-diversion is simply dealing with whether Burke masturbated at age 9, and whether that is normal.

And the answer, if Burke was anything approaching normal, is Yes and Yes. Yes he did masturbate, and yes that was normal.

What this also shows is that a 9 year old boy is a sexual being who has strong sexual desires. If a boy has PATHOLOGICAL desires, then it is certainly possible for this behaviour to manifest itself at an early age. I'm not making that accusation against Burke per se, though.

But masturbating at age 9 is NOT abnormal. I would go so far as to claim that NOT masturbating at age 9 IS abnormal and may in fact be a greater indication of sexual abuse.

But in my opinion, masturbation in general is not an indication of sexual abuse, whether someone does it or they don't. And all normal boys do.

Now get back to work!

 

[duffy]

lol well at the risk of freaking anyone out, i'll delve into some more detail about what our gallant young males get up to at that age.

i can only talk about my case, but everything i have ever experienced has led me to believe that i am fairly typical (see BC's comment too )

i started masturbating around 5, and by around 8 i was masturbating till i achieved orgasm. When you're pre-pubescent, you have a normal orgasm but nothing comes out. You don't ejaculate, .. or rather, you DO ejaculate but there is no semen.

So at the age of 10, most boys are not just "touching themselves"... they are ejaculating, but no semen is coming out.

In my case, semen starting coming out when i was about 12. But nothing else changed... i still just ... err... masturbated to orgasm.

Sorry for being so direct Yowie! :crazy:

so yes i think it would be unusual if Burke ejaculated semen at 9 going on 10. Quite unusual in fact, and improbable. But he would almost certainly be masturbating all the way to orgasm, if he was a normal, average kid.

And of course, we really have no idea what kind of kid he was! unfortunately. Apparently he played some mean nintendo though

Well........I ask didn't I? lol Thanks for the info Josh. I'll try to look at you the same still. lol

Your'e right BlueCrab it was JAR not Burke and I'm the one who totally screwed up on that fact.

Does it bother anyone the semen from JAR on the blanket? Think it's related to the crime? It doesn't bother me and I don't think it is related to the crime. Poor JAR, the whole world knew.

I wonder how the kids are now, if they see john and patsy. I know Burke does but I wonder about JAR. Is there any semblence of family left?

 

[narlacat]

>>Does it bother anyone the semen from JAR on the blanket? Think it's related to the crime? It doesn't bother me and I don't think it is related to the crime. Poor JAR, the whole world knew.<<

I dont know if the semen on the blanket is related somehow to the crime.
I've always kinda wondered about the Dr Suess kiddies book that was in the suitcase with it though! What is a kiddies book doing in JAR's suitcase along with the blanket with semen on it?

And poor JAR? Why because he masturbates and everyone knows?? Sheesh, I think the Ram's have more skeleton's in their closet than that!

 

[BlueCrab]

The contents of the suitcase could be crucial evidence. The sexual assault and murder could have taken place on that blanket. Fibers from the blanket were found on JonBenet's genitalia. That's damning evidence.

Why were the items (a semen-stained bedspread and matching sham from JAR's bed and a Dr. Seuss book with JAR's name in it) in the suitcase? They were there for a purpose. What was that purpose? Was the suitcase a rape kit? Had it also contained the cord for bonding? Had it contained the erotic asphyxiation device found wrapped around JonBenet's neck?

JAR's out of town alibi keeps him from being the number one suspect in this murder. Crack that alibi and you've got the killer.

 

[narlacat]

Why is it we dont know the title of the Dr Suess book ?

 

[Rupert]

The contents of the suitcase could be crucial evidence. The sexual assault and murder could have taken place on that blanket. Fibers from the blanket were found on JonBenet's genitalia. That's damning evidence.

Why were the items (a semen-stained bedspread and matching sham from JAR's bed and a Dr. Seuss book with JAR's name in it) in the suitcase? They were there for a purpose. What was that purpose? Was the suitcase a rape kit? Had it also contained the cord for bonding? Had it contained the erotic asphyxiation device found wrapped around JonBenet's neck?

JAR's out of town alibi keeps him from being the number one suspect in this murder. Crack that alibi and you've got the killer.

BlueCrab, good points and questions. I don't know that the suitcase contents heve ever really been dealt with and I agree they must have been there for a purpose. Maybe JAR was out of town, but someone else knew about his personal things.

BlueCrab, you also stated: "It's possible but highly unlikely that John or Patsy would have used adages from action movies in a ransom note. That naive note has juvenile male written all over it."

I agree that it is hard to see how John or Patsy could have used those adages, especially under what would have been tremendous emotional stress. The RN reads like a big joke (a PRANK). How juvenile? I can not imagine Burk writing the RN, but more likely someone closer to the university age of JAR. That's why I have kept referring to Leopold & Loeb. Susan Stine's "sophomoric prank" comment did not slip by my attention. L&L were into their sophomoric pranks and one culminated in murder. What was her boarder's name that also got to know the Ramsay kids?

I always wondered about the "B" in SBTC and thought it could be a "3" with a line drawn after for disguise. After some searching, I found out that in 1996 NINTENDO incorporated S3TC texture compression technology and dramatically improved their graphics performance. Someone who knew Burk and JAR might also have played Nintendo, like any other male adolescent. Who knows?

 

[UKGuy]

>>Does it bother anyone the semen from JAR on the blanket? Think it's related to the crime? It doesn't bother me and I don't think it is related to the crime. Poor JAR, the whole world knew.<<

I dont know if the semen on the blanket is related somehow to the crime.
I've always kinda wondered about the Dr Suess kiddies book that was in the suitcase with it though! What is a kiddies book doing in JAR's suitcase along with the blanket with semen on it?

And poor JAR? Why because he masturbates and everyone knows?? Sheesh, I think the Ram's have more skeleton's in their closet than that!

Well thats another blanket at the crime-scene, why do we need all these blankets down by the apparent staged crime-scene.

Have they been bundled down there as part of the general forensic cleanup from upstairs, was JonBenet relocated downstairs in that blanket?

Why should Dr Suess kiddies book pop up in a muder case like this, as in being close by the body?

Not unless that was deemed part of the original crime-scene and should be removed.

But what part might it play? Well from memory did JR not state he read a bedtime story to JonBenet, may it have been from this book, was he telling the truth in parts?

 

[BlueCrab]

I always wondered about the "B" in SBTC and thought it could be a "3" with a line drawn after for disguise. After some searching, I found out that in 1996 NINTENDO incorporated S3TC texture compression technology and dramatically improved their graphics performance. Someone who knew Burk and JAR might also have played Nintendo, like any other male adolescent. Who knows?

Rupert,

Your comment about S3TC is interesting. John Andrew Ramsey was reportedly into experimenting with and designing computer programs that dealt with reproducing handwriting.

 

[Rupert]

Rupert,

Your comment about S3TC is interesting. John Andrew Ramsey was reportedly into experimenting with and designing computer programs that dealt with reproducing handwriting.

BlueCrab,
While we're on a bit of a roll here, check this out:
http://www.21stcenturysciencetech.com/articles/New_violence.html#Nintendo%20Killers

The RN is written with violence, but at the same time it seems ridiculous. "Early, early, early, delivery, delivery," Ruthless People a comic mockery, "good southern common sense". Perhaps it was created by a juvenile mind with such game fantasies. I still find it hard to believe that it would come from so young a mind as Burk's. I think it would need to be adolescent and maybe from someone with a jealousy.

 

[duffy]

It is not possible that any individual except p.r. wrote the ransom note.-Donald Foster ......an expert who examined the r.n.

Tom Miller another expert who examined the r.n. "patsy probably wrote the r.n."

Cina Wong " " " " " " believes patsy probably wrote it.

I don't know that's 3 experts and they take into account the way the note was written and the content.

 

[narlacat]

Duffy

I think you will find that there's just as many other so called experts who say just the opposite.
Personally I dont know who wrote the note.

 

[Zman]

I always wondered about the "B" in SBTC and thought it could be a "3" with a line drawn after for disguise. After some searching, I found out that in 1996 NINTENDO incorporated S3TC texture compression technology and dramatically improved their graphics performance. Someone who knew Burk and JAR might also have played Nintendo, like any other male adolescent. Who knows?

Making up facts agian. I think the RN clearly stated SBTC. Why go off on such speculation?

The contents of the suitcase could be crucial evidence. The sexual assault and murder could have taken place on that blanket. Fibers from the blanket were found on JonBenet's genitalia. That's damning evidence.

Why were the items (a semen-stained bedspread and matching sham from JAR's bed and a Dr. Seuss book with JAR's name in it) in the suitcase? They were there for a purpose. What was that purpose? Was the suitcase a rape kit? Had it also contained the cord for bonding? Had it contained the erotic asphyxiation device found wrapped around JonBenet's neck?

JAR's out of town alibi keeps him from being the number one suspect in this murder. Crack that alibi and you've got the killer..

Why would JAR leave "crucial evidence" of a sexual assault behind.

Maybe he just had sex on the blanket. Maybe that Dr.Suess book is some kind of childhood memento or keepsake. Maybe it was just caught up in the blanket when it was put in the suitcase.
How do you go from blanket and a book to rape kit?

Where can I find the fact that Fibers from that very blanket were found on JBR's genitalia?

 

[duffy]

Duffy

I think you will find that there's just as many other so called experts who say just the opposite.
Personally I dont know who wrote the note.

Do you have a link Narlacat? If you do I'll go look at them and post them too. Those are the only ones I found in my search and I wasn't searching for facts to incriminate the ramseys.

I have never and am not opposed to "the other dude did it" theory. In my mind there would have to be a heck of a lot of evidence to substantiate "toddi" theory because there is a truck load of circumstantial evidence that says the ramsey's did it.