Interim discussion regarding questions from the jury and Arias on the stand #79

[zoozoo]

Here's a rough timeline of what happened leading up and just after the murder:

5/10/08 - Phone Sex
5/18/08 - Travis' Gold Digger/Axe Murderer Blog Post
5/26/08 - Sociopath Text & FB Direct Message (referenced as email in Text)
5/28/08 - Grandpa's Gun Stolen
6/2-6/3/08 - Rent car, visit BF's of Christmas past, gas cans, SBux
6/4/08 - Murder
6/5/08 - Meet, grind & adjust new potential BF

Anyone have the text of the "FB Direct Message (referenced as email in Text)"?

 

[You'reKidding Right?]

I snipped your post to save space but wanted to say that I am sorry that, as a 5 year old, you had to go through losing your brother to suicide. Just so sorry.

The honest answer, as I understand it, is what you mom told you. We believe strongly in the sanctity of life. We do not believe it is ok to take your own life or that of another.

Having said that, I, too, have a dear friend who lost her son to suicide. After his death, they found out his medication was wrong and likely caused him to take actions he would not have taken had he not been on that medication.

Also, as an attorney who has dealt with children experiencing severe mental illness, I can honestly say that some of these children have significant burdens that are not their choice to carry.

Since every situation is different, the official position is that we are not able to judge. There is no regulation or directive that says those who commit suicide cannot have eternal life and all the blessings. Our Heavenly Father dearly loves each of his children. Those who carry enormous burdens are loved and adored by him. Thus, while the doctrine is that we are very much discouraged from suicide, we have love and compassion for those families impacted by suicide knowing that God will judge each situation with fairness and love.

Again, I am so sorry about your brother. I know that my friend's family carries great pain from her son's loss. He was very special, as I am sure your brother was, as well.

Thank you for sharing this answer. The official position is so compassionate. I asked about it because I was wondering if it had any weight regarding Jodi's "decision" (on-going) to commit suicide.

 

[dtzblnd]

Sorry but if you don't think that herpes sore is HILARIOUS, I just can't get with you.

Hey now, I didn't say it's not hilarious - I was roflol last week when someone wrote something about hoping it ate her face - now that was funny!
I'm just saying that it's kind of mean to bash her for the way she looks/dresses. There are so many really excellent reasons to bash her for what she's done/is doing that the comments about her appearance/photography/etc. seam a little petty, imo.

Not implying I'm too good to participate in petty mind you - but it is what it is.

 

[seguek9]

BBM

:laughcry:

Why would you want to watch JB? As soon as his puss hits the screen or they say he's coming up I change the channel. I'd rather watch "The Kardashians" than JB. And I hate reality shows. :sick:

I think its that whole 'car accident' mentality :shrug: I feel like I invested SO much time with his lies :sick: ....I guess I had a "morbid curiosity" thing going on.....

:iamashamed:

 

[Shelby1]

I can find people quoting my comments by going thru page by page...I have been quoted--i can see them, but cannot pull them up by the search.

Go to the search button on the top right hand side of the forum. Input your full name (Furiously_Following). Choose the show posts option. Push go and it should show all of your posts that someone else has quoted.

 

[kscornfed]

Her entire defense is built around this tape and her journals. It's so painfully obvious. The jury has to have seen it too. Just take the condensed tape and everything that Travis said on it and look at her stories. Of course she's also been embellishing along the way but that tape is the base.

What really bothers me is that she must have had help with it. Not that she isn't totally qualified herself, but someone must have talked her into it. Someone must have said the Ninja story is not going to fly, what else do you have? A tape? Okay lets go over that. And I really despise people who help defendents make up a "story" for a defense. :furious:

MOO

you're talking about her defense lawyers. that's their job.

she'd gone through not guilty, wasn't there. WAS there, someone else did it. nothing left but insanity or self defense. she's not insane. so her defense has been fashioned to fit her new defense strategy of self defense.

she's not telling them what to do or say. the things we hear her say on the stand have been choreographed by her defense. it was so obvious that her narrative of how the murder happened---in response to the jury---was not nearly as clear as it was when nurmi was questioning her on direct. she went off script with the jury because he couldn't help her.

 

[Prime Mover]

HLN researched it themselves and posted it. There are no employees there overnight, just the pumps open, you need a card for gas purchase.

I know. I was just trying to show that the Tesoro gas station, although now under the Shell brand, is still a Tesoro station.

 

[flourish]

about 30 years ago I was very heavy into genealogy. I actually went to Salt Lake City to do research for days on days. They had the best repository in the world as other religions throughout the world recognize them and let them do their books for documentation on genealogy.

Anyway, but I am leading to, is it I thought that the reason that they did so much Genealogy was that the descendants and others that were living could do genealogy and then forgive them? I am very very ignorant on this religion .. does anyone else know?

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It's my understanding that genealogy is such an important part of the religion because they practice baptism for the dead--people get baptized-by-proxy for people who died before the church was around (it's a young religion), and that gives them the opportunity to accept the church in the afterlife. I don't think it has anything to do with making amends to ancestors, but offering them the opportunity to become church members even after death.

That being said, there has been a lot of controversy because apparently the church baptized-by-proxy Holocaust victims, which didn't go over well with the Jewish population, and which doesn't make sense to me, as I thought the whole point was to baptize people who wouldn't have had the opportunity to join the church, but the church was around during the Holocaust, so that doesn't jive. Maybe Mormon Attorney or someone else can provide some clarification.

As I mentioned earlier, I'm an "ex-mo," as is I have officially resigned from the church and am no longer considered a member (once you're baptized, the church considers you a member forever even if you never actually go to church again after your baptism--you have to actively go through a process to officially leave the church), so I clearly have some strong feelings and biases about the church, but the genealogy piece is something I've always loved and deeply appreciated---I can read journals written by my ancestors who lived in the Salt Lake Valley area way back in the Brigham Young days, and I find it all incredibly fascinating. In fact, my daddy is one of the folks that transcribes written journals into electronic form for the SLC library, and I think that's pretty cool

 

[kaRN]

Baez is on HLN right now criticizing Mr Martinez. :banghead:

What nerve!! Can't believe they wanted him on??

JM would have gotten that guilty verdict in his case IMO. That and the fact JM has more skill and class than JB could even dream of.

 

[CJae]

OMG I'm getting old.

I come back. Reading to catch up. Notice some of my faves lights are on so they're here.

Answer someone. Then BAM I'm getting woke up asking where's supper. Ha ha.

I say order a pizza and leave me to my Webslueths!

Kay. I wanted to make sure I thanked the poster for the AZ laws regarding sentencing. And also for the info that there's no 2nd degree charge? Am I right?

Could that change?

Well gotta go back and read Again.

 

[Mormon Attorney]

Going to go think of something to eat for dinner. I am so grateful for all of you on this board. I had an injury a couple weeks ago and, except for getting my kids and limited outings, I have been stuck resting staring at the same walls. I told my husband that it is a blessing to have this trial going on during this time! Otherwise, I would go nuts. I hate sitting around. But, talking with all of you has been great! Thanks for helping pass the time!

 

[Pink Panther]

i think there is a sex video in evidence too, it was taken on ja's camera but not shown to jury. iirc:twocents:

The sex video is a figment of JA's imagination.

moo

 

[OEJ]

Thanks for asking. If they have gotten proper help, the diagnosis has been reactive attachment disorder. However, all of these children are complex. In fact, we refer to it generally as "Complex Trauma." Most of these kids have many other diagnoses including oppositional defiant disorder, anxiety, PTSD, fetal alcohol, bipolar disorder, significant learning delays of all types*, adhd, etc. These kids have often been hit genetically and environmentally with lots of deficits.

Interesting on the learning deficits, my child has a nonverbal learning disability and also tends to take things VERY literally. When I have watched JA argue about specific words in a very literal sense, I have recognized that. While there is no doubt she is vying for control and being difficult, I also sense that she may have difficulty processing the questions as most people would. Her word "hyper-literal" would be very accurate for my child, as well.

Although I work with biological families too, our families are mostly adoptive families where there is clear evidence of abuse, neglect, or chronic instability in the first three years of life which alters brain function. Add drug exposure or fetal alcohol and that compounds things. Then, with altered brain function, you see some common traits such as failure to emotionally regulate, no impulse control, etc. These traits then often lead to the ADHD diagnosis and others. So, again, the commonality to my families is the early trauma. Some of our kids have a long list of diagnoses because of these brain changes and alcohol exposure.

I've read some interesting studies that frontal lobe damage has been seen in the anti-social personality-disordered people. I've suspected for a long time that the problem is associated with some kind of abnormality to the emotion centers of the brain.

I'm thinking when Jodi says she's hyper-literal, she recognizes, I believe, that she is lacking emotions other people are feeling and, therefore, lacks the authentic emotional language.

 

[MeeBee]

Thank you for posting all of this. I did not sleep well at all after reading last night's post as it was haunting. I watched the documentary clip on here today and was further haunted. What you pointed out in your post was brought to life if you will, in the documentary. My heart broke. I am now very conflicted about JA. I have spent all this time "hating" her for what she did to TA. I absolutely "hate" what she has done to this family. I have "hated" the lack of decorum her mother has displayed along with the mocking of TA family seen on camera. I have been content to see her as demonic and soulless and deserving the DP over and over.
In Working as a critical care RN for over 30 years, I have fine tuned my observations and assessments of people, as I had to do it daily. To think that my judgement has been clouded by her heinous act and lying is very disturbing to me. Please do not misinterpret that I have sympathy for her as I don't. What do you think happened to the "child" in JA way back when? I have a hard time believing that children are born "evil". Heck, I had difficulty seeing what you saw in her face when she knew the gig was up. I am just trying to comprehend all of this as I think we all are. We would not be here if we didn't care for one reason or another. Thanks to all of you who post day after day and are as invested as I am. Respectfully submitted, IMO

To be honest, I think Jodi Arias is a sociopath and I think she was born that way. It is nothing her parents did, though it may be genetic. I am very interested in the subject and I definitely see narcissistic and sociopathic tendencies in her, complete with killing without a shred of remorse. I read an article once about the study of the brains of sociopaths. The studies say that their brains show abnormalities in the parts that control self control and judgment. Sociopathic tendencies can manifest themselves for one reason or another. Children who are not shown normal affection and signs of love from their parents can turn out that way. But there is, I think, a difference between sociopathic tendencies (nurture) and a true sociopath (nature). That's just a theory of mine though. It's hard to know what her childhood was like, though. Her siblings seem well adjusted. So I don't blame her parents.

It's a tricky subject. I don't hate sociopaths because it is not their fault, but I also don't sympathize with them, especially when they kill. I just don't feel a thing for Jodi other than anger. I am angry that she killed and will never care. Never show a shred of remorse. Angry that she took away such a remarkable young man from his friends and family and potential because she thought it was her right. I think people like her just should be out in the real world. They are dangerous, malicious individuals.

 

[LizardQueen74]

Can you add in her blog posts too? They're very strange in that they mirror his!

Sure...what were the dates on those? I'm digging for the cell phone/Chinese food part of the juror questions.

 

[Sustained]

JM would have gotten that guilty verdict in his case IMO. That and the fact JM has more skill and class than JB could even dream of.

Baez should be sending 33% of his attorney fees to the Pinellas 12. If it wasn't for them, he would have faded into obscurity a long time ago.

 

[BeachGirlFromPA]

I thought a poster here called the number on the receipt yesterday and was told this info as well. Not that it's "proof", but I would hope a WSer reported accurately.

I posted what I did just to re-confirm that info. I don't doubt what I read here, I just feel extra good when I read the same thing in other resources.

 

[atthelake]

I can find people quoting my comments by going thru page by page...I have been quoted--i can see them, but cannot pull them up by the search.

In past years when posters could not answer my question, I alerted a moderator or did a private message to 1 that I was very familiar with, to ask them to answer or to confer with other moderators on the question I had. I always got a good answer. They work together behind the scenes to help us.

HTH

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[StephanieHartPI]

My blood boils when I re-watch videos of her answers to the Jury

"I've gotten a little bit better, I've gotten a little stronger"

WHAT...Like she is a patient and the Doc is asking how she is doing with her cancer treatment?

I expect her to say "thank you all for asking"

AHHHH! She really thinks she is the victim here

 

[Isabelle]

I am seeing something different in the accidental photo taken at 5:32:16, which shows Jodi possibly dragging Travis. In some of the enhanced pics it is easy to see that his right arm is bent at the elbow, and I am feeling that this is the moment Jodi was slicing his throat and he was trying to defend himself, but possibly too weak from blood loss to do so. I am thinking this, because if she were dragging him, his right arm would have been either fully extended up above his head, or her arms would have been in his armpits and that can't be seen here. I don't think she could have been pulling him by the head. Whatcha think?

ETA: with his right arm bent at the elbow, he may have been trying to reach his neck/throat area. Jodi being left handed would have been able to exert more force/pressure on the knife from right to left, cutting the right jugular and carotid first causing the blood to run down his left shoulder.

OMG! I sometimes feel like I am thinking like a murderer. Anyone else feel like this sometimes?