Interim discussion regarding questions from the jury and Arias on the stand #80

[dtzblnd]

here is the link to the original post for the re-creation video:

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[TorisMom003]

Great, sensible post.

In this scenario, assuming Travis did not let her in the house, 1) how does she gain access and 2) does Napoleon not alert at all?

The doggie door was in position of the sliding glass door. Easy to enter through the doggie door or open the sliding glass door and enter. Nap was more than likely upstairs in Travis's room with the door shut for the night if Travis was asleep. If Jodi was quiet enough to not wake Travis or his room mates then I doubt that Nap would have heard her.

MOO

 

[ElleElle]

She testified there were no phones upstairs when asked why she didn't call 911.

Her cell phone was "dead"- because she "lost" the charger which she found in her rental when she made her 3 phone calls...

I think I read somewhere that one of Travis' roommates saw his ring and cell phone downstairs? Correct me if i'm wrong. tia

I'm curious if he had a phone upstairs she said she didn't know because he probably did. Has anyone seen his bedroom pics? Oh well she had her cell phone upstairs ?

 

[JusticeJunkie]

:bump:

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Yep, that's the one ATL, that made it necessary for me to apologize to everyone for ever doubting Juan.
I just couldn't figure out why he was following her down those rabbit holes.
I FINALLY get it.
Sorry Juan. Please don't yell at me. lol

 

[panthera]

I am thinking JA is the worst thing that happened to Nurmi.

Agree. He has a client who presented 'self-defense' to her legal counsel, he almost had to put her on the stand to substantiate it and allow any experts to testify, and she has become a loose cannon who can't remember what she has already testified to.

Awesome for the prosecution, however...

MOO

 

[TorisMom003]

She had a different brand and type of camera. You cannot transfer from camera to camera like that. Even if she swapped SD cards, chances are the photos would not be 'viewable' on the other camera. There are some proprietary things done to files for them to work on the actual camera. Once downloaded to a PC - the software used for viewing/editing has the ability to differentiate from all the different camera brands and their formats.

The camera box, and more than likely the camera itself, was in the office downstairs. Very easy to take one camera and hook it up to the laptop to transfer pics while having the SD card in the laptop from the other camera. Also remember that Jodi, despite what she says, should have arrived at 3 am and not 4 am. That gives her plently of time to do whatever she wanted to do downstairs without anyone knowing. Where there is a will, there is a way.

MOO

 

[nightwatch]

I usually roll my eyes at things that callers to the TH shows say but one person did make a thought provoking comment yesterday. Since we know that there's almost always a little kernel of truth in JAs lies it resonated with me. The caller suggested that Jodi most likely 'ran to the closet' not because she knew TA kept a gun on the shelf but because that's where her purse (which contained the knife and the gun) was located. It struck me, too, that she also told 48 Hours that she "picked up her purse which was on the floor" when she was running from the "ninjas."

good afternoon all,

i don't believe ja ever went in that closet on the day of the killing. :moo:

 

[Angelina Frost]

ATL, I'm not the OP but I agree that there is ONE photo that definately looks as if the flash was used while the others don't. It's the last photo of Travis sitting in the shower where he is facing the camera. The next photo taken was the one that shows his body sitting in the shower without showing his head, and the shower door was open for THIS photo where it was closed for all of the other photos. I think that Jodi used the flash for that full on face photo to "blind" Travis long enough to stab him in the chest.

MOO

BBM- OMG a dot-connecting scenario if ever there was one. That's so spot on to my mind, I have an instant stomach ache.

If what you've said is true TM, JA is diabolical beyond reason. Makes perfect sense as to how this could do down so quickly. Wow.

 

[Bada Bing]

I struck me, too, that she also told 48 Hours that she "picked up her purse which was on the floor" when she was running from the "ninjas."

Well, she had her journal in that purse and guarded it with her life. :floorlaugh:

 

[panthera]

She had the garage code and let herself in? Napoleon may not have alerted because that's how the key-less roommate came and went. It may also explain why TA didn't think much of it if he heard someone entering through the garage.

It may be that Napoleon was so accustomed to people coming and going he wasn't much of a guard dog at all. Also agree with TA not being alarmed if the garage door was used for entry.

MOO

 

[DebinGA]

Great, sensible post.

In this scenario, assuming Travis did not let her in the house, 1) how does she gain access and 2) does Napoleon not alert at all?

Both Jodi and one of TA's roommates said the doors were never locked.

 

[kscornfed]

She testified there were no phones upstairs when asked why she didn't call 911.

Her cell phone was "dead"- because she "lost" the charger which she found in her rental when she made her 3 phone calls...

I think I read somewhere that one of Travis' roommates saw his ring and cell phone downstairs? Correct me if i'm wrong. tia

but she did say he had a land line. i remember that. most people have a phone by their bed if they have a land line but whatever.

i think they saw his ring and watch downstairs. they said he always wore them. i don't remember the phone.

 

[Sunny_In_AZ]

I wish the jury would have asked her about the phone charger. She wants us to believe she was so scared to drive through the desert and run out of gas that she had to have at least 2 gas cans full of gas but has ZERO concern about not having a phone charger. She was in Pasadena when she noticed it was missing and could have stopped at a number of stores to purchase one. She really is stupid.

 

[atthelake]

If this answer isn't the dumbest one I've heard in all my life. She is mind-numbingly stupid.

Question from a juror:How did Travis' anger escalate after you shot him?
JA's answer: I don't remember the words he was saying but he was angrier, he was screaming more, he was cursing more, and we had fallen over right after that shot occurred and he was grabbing at my clothes and grabbing at me and again as soon as I broke away he threatened my life.

Um what?

It is on the script for the domestic violence script that they want her to keep to. Use the words. Again and again. So that it will come up when they come up as expert next.

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[Elley Mae]

Just want to post this collage of photos.
According to the photos it's two different photos.

http://s1309.beta.photobucket.com/user/wasthinking/media/collage_zps00e64932.jpg.html

head photo 5:29:20
body photo 5:30:30

 

[Karmady]

I don't agree. I live in a house very similar to TA's. If I was in a hurry I could definitely make it downstairs to my kitchen and back again in no time. If he was struggling down the hall to get help she could have caught him in the hall. That is kind of what I believe happened.

You theory is almost exactly the same as what mine has been from the get go with a couple minor variations or possibilities (like the knife was in the bedroom, maybe). And my house is almost identical, so I "timed" myself. One night while I was reading here I needed something from my car. I walked at my normal pace out of my room to the stairs, down the stairs through the kitchen into the garage, got something out of my car and went back to my bedroom. It took me about a minute. If I had run and stopped at the kitchen rather than the garage it would have taken me about 30-45 seconds. Maybe less if I knew exactly where to grab a knife from. If I feel like running later, maybe I'll time that, too. lol And his bedroom door and kitchen counters are even a little bit closer to the stairs than mine are iirc.

 

[TorisMom003]

but she did say he had a land line. i remember that. most people have a phone by their bed if they have a land line but whatever.

i think they saw his ring and watch downstairs. they said he always wore them. i don't remember the phone.

We also know that Jodi manipulated the crime scene so SHE may have been the one to put his ring, watch and/or phone downstairs in the office before she left.

MOO

 

[JusticeJunkie]

That's a great summary of Jodi Arias' actions indicating premeditation. And I do believe the catalyst for this was Travis Alexander calling her out as a liar and sociopath.

He was done with her. She planned everything to leave no "footprint" in Arizona, and her meeting with Ryan Burns was simply an alibi to put her closer to that goal.

For that reason I wonder:

1. If Travis Alexander had any idea she was coming. That they talked on the phone tells us nothing of the conversation.

2. That she entered the home at 4:00 AM. She may have arrived in Mesa at that time, but why go through the elaborate preparations if they could be done by a roommate spotting her in the home?

From the photo time stamps the earliest she can be placed in the home is 1:44 in the afternoon. Do we know if any of the roommates were in the home at that time or had they left earlier? If she appeared in the downstairs computer room first and hung out with Travis watching YouTube videos, wouldn't that put her at great risk to be spotted by a roommate?

Depending on the movements of the roommates, I can see her sitting outside his house, in her inconspicuous white car with her now brown hair, watching who entered and left.

Which, if true, would add not only premeditation, but lying in wait to Jodi Arias' list of stellar achievements.

And it adds another rational for carrying the .25: Pesky unavoidable witnesses.

THANKS. I've been doubting her arrival time all along - mostly because she was the one that told us it was true. With nothing to back it up.
Also, because I hard a hard time trying to think of a reasonable reason she wouldn't have killed him earlier.
I know about the giving him a chance thing, and that might be true, but psychopaths have a hard time with self control. Arias being able to control her lust to kill him for that long - I just don't know.
Maybe she was just giving him time to convince her he still loved her.

 

[nursebeeme]

Yes. I wonder if we could have a thread of video evidence that was admitted.
That would be awesome!

We do. Jodi Arias interview and statement thread

 

[rose222]

She had a different brand and type of camera. You cannot transfer from camera to camera like that. Even if she swapped SD cards, chances are the photos would not be 'viewable' on the other camera. There are some proprietary things done to files for them to work on the actual camera. Once downloaded to a PC - the software used for viewing/editing has the ability to differentiate from all the different camera brands and their formats.

And what would be the purpose for doing so on that day? She was in murder mood and anything else she did was only as a trap to corner Travis. She went through so much trouble to make it seem as though she was never in Arizona. I don't think she'd transfer photos and keep the June 4, 2008 timestamps which would place her in Travis' home on the day of his murder.