Interim discussion regarding questions from the jury and Arias on the stand #81

[TartLemon]

I don't think there is a prayer of that happening! :floorlaugh:

My take on Nurmi is that he has a story he wants to tell. He tells it at excruciating length. You (the jurors) don't seem to get it. He tells it again, with more detail. You roll your eyes -- clearly you just don't understand. So he tells the story YET AGAIN, repeating everything all over again, with more details (& more lies from Jodi).

It's like he's just going to keep hammering until you "understand." He has no Plan B, not even a way to tell the story in a different way. That's why, IMHO, he's just not a good lawyer.

IMO, Nurmi DOES have a story to tell, but his horror of a client has a different story she wants to tell. She doesn't follow his lead well at all. Jodi's introducing all kinds of fodder for JM to cross her on. She's so intent on using her vocabulary, often out of context, even making up smart sounding words, that she's saying much more than Nurmi wants her to say. I've dusted off some of my own vocabulary, because whenever she misspeaks, I look it up to see if maybe I misremembered the word(s) and context.

Just my uneducated opinion.

On another note, I feel like a squirrel storing nuts for winter. While there's no trial, I've made food to sustain me for the next few weeks while court's in session. Freezer will be full when the pot of stew is done. :floorlaugh:

 

[Kensie]

My son served on a grand jury a couple of years ago, one day a week for 3 months. His employer, a car dealership, definitely did not pay him. I think the county paid him $15 a day, something like that. Fortunately, he was able to work on Saturdays so he didn't take too much of a financial hit. But it made for a very long 3 months.

I am not sure if my company would pay me for jury duty. I have to take leave to vote. Been called 4 times for jury duty but never haD to go.

 

[rose222]

What is being on death row in Arizona like? I heard Scott Peterson is allowed FIVE hours outside every single day.

 

[G&AMom]

I am not sure if my company would pay me for jury duty. I have to take leave to vote. Been called 4 times for jury duty but never haD to go.

I think in the end my son was very glad he did it, but I don't think he'd ever want to do it again. Too disruptive to his regular life.

The interesting thing about jury duty, to me, is that I really didn't want to do it until I got there. Once I was at the courthouse I wanted to be part of a jury. Then I got booted off and was really disappointed.

I ran into an old friend in the jury room, so I got to hear about the trial later. Really wished I had been able to serve.

 

[Kensie]

I think in the end my son was very glad he did it, but I don't think he'd ever want to do it again. Too disruptive to his regular life.

The interesting thing about jury duty, to me, is that I really didn't want to do it until I got there. Once I was at the courthouse I wanted to be part of a jury. Then I got booted off and was really disappointed.

I ran into an old friend in the jury room, so I got to hear about the trial later. Really wished I had been able to serve.

It is really weird in my case, 2 times the trials were canceled and the other two times I lived in different counties. It is not that I did not want to serve.

 

[G&AMom]

he should also ask her when the defendant is a prolific liar, how do you assess whether or not the story you're told is the truth? The expert has nothing to go on but jodi's word and how much is that worth? nothing.

ITA! This ought to be his very first question, maybe his ONLY question. Her whole defense is based on the alleged secrecy surrounding her relationship with Travis -- which also means she has no evidence at all about what happened except her say-so.

 

[katiecoolady]

What is being on death row in Arizona like? I heard Scott Peterson is allowed FIVE hours outside every single day.

Here they get one hour out each day but that's alone. Not with any other inmate. At least that's the men's prison. I have a feeling Nancy Grace will visit her new home in Perryville and answer all our questions.

 

[thefragile7393]

They can do a "mock" jury. I know that there was one done in the Peterson case.

i would loooove it if a tape or transcript existed of this.

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[kayice]

I wonder if Jodi is going to dupe hard-core prisoners like she did to those young-ones down at the jail house? Jodi just might find she is the small fish living in the big ocean after all and there are meaner sharks in the water.

 

[G&AMom]

It is really weird in my case, 2 times the trials were canceled and the other two times I lived in different counties. It is not that I did not want to serve.

Didn't mean to suggest you didn't want to serve! I just remember dragging my feet until I got there and then was disappointed when I had to leave.

They regularly call my husband to serve although he's been dead for nearly 20 years. I finally had to send them a copy of his death certificate.

I bet cancellation is pretty common.

 

[Kensie]

I wonder if Jodi is going to dupe hard-core prisoners like she did to those young-ones down at the jail house? Jodi just might find she is the small fish living in the big ocean after all and there are meaner sharks in the water.

Jodi and Wendy can compare notes.

 

[thefragile7393]

Oceanblueeyes says"The Director of this entire fiasco is Jodi Arias totally. Imo, she listens to no one. She is the master of the ship even if the ship is going to sink faster than the Titanic."
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Shades of Diane Downs??

oh definitely....minus the kid factor. The two are very similar....

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[KMouse]

Yes, there is an element of that! Not suggesting he's as nuts as she is, but he seems seriously out of touch.

I think he is definitely out of touch with the jury and how to defend a defendant like JA. I would be very surprised if Wilmott is telling him "great job today, Kirk". That's something I don't understand. How can he think his strategy is a good idea and is working? Isn't there anybody he knows that is a voice of reason for him?

As annoying as he is I really don't mind because he is helping to send his client to death row.

 

[G&AMom]

Here they get one hour out each day but that's alone. Not with any other inmate. At least that's the men's prison. I have a feeling Nancy Grace will visit her new home in Perryville and answer all our questions.

I've been dying to ask one of the court observors: Do you think Poquito is responsible for the "" question?

 

[LambChop]

What more needs to come? She’s guilty. She admits she killed him and by killed him I mean she admits she over killed him. And I believe she should be sentenced accordingly but to make a grandstand death penalty case out of this obsessive woman scorned case just turned the whole thing into a giant circus.

We all believe Jodi is guilty. She has not admitted to guilt, only that she killed him in self defense. Her original plea was not guilty. That has not changed. If she were to plead guilty she would have gone before the judge only for sentencing. Jodi was entitled to a trial because of her plea of not guilty. That is exactly what she is getting within the courtroom. Outside the courtroom is where the circus is taking place. What is happening now is Jodi exercising her right to tell her side of the story. Problem is her attorney keeps repeating the same stories over and over because this is all they have. Defense is just trying to save her life. I believe they know she will be found guilty they just do not want to see her get the DP. Jodi does not admit to overkill. She admits only to shooting Travis and the stabbing was done while she was in a "fog". I guess she feels that makes her look less guilty.

Sometimes people feel the wheels of justice do not move fast enough. It's a process on both sides. We have to wait. It's the way the system works. jmo

 

[VALee]

I'm sorry if you guys have seen this but it's worth seeing again. This is utterly hilarious...check out this fantasy video of Jodi on the stand:

Jodi Arias Trial: unseen footage - YouTube

Oh my gosh, first time I saw this, still ROFL, probably will be on that note for the rest of the day, RIGHT?

 

[Maryann123]

Apologies if someone else mentioned this in the meantime, but one explanation I saw for removing the front plate was that AZ doesn't have front plates. One of Travis roommates apparently had a white car, as there is one inside the tape in the crime scene photo showing the outside of his house. Mimi may have had a white car as well - not sure about that.

To get back to where I started, if she took the front plate off and backed it in at Travis's, it probably wouldn't have caught the eye of any neighbor who happened to be strolling by.

On June 5, 2008, West Jordan, Utah Police Officer, Michael Galieti, pulled Arias over, while she was in the rented vehicle, driving to a meeting with Burns. The front license plate of the car was missing and the rear plate was upside down. Arias attributed this to some kids at a Starbucks playing a trick on her. Burns helped Arias fix the license plate and Officer Galieti did not cite her for the infraction
Killing of Travis Alexander - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

BBM
Doesn't this mean they must have had a screw driver in the rental car? I'm sure Burns didn't carry one with him to the meeting, and it isn't clear what part the officer played in flipping the plate. That hasn't been mentioned.....yet......right? Maybe that's another surprise Juan has for the jury.
As far as where Jodi parked her car at TA's house, I don't believe it was there. I didn't go back to research it, but I'm pretty sure the roommates were asked, and both said they didn't remember seeing another car.

 

[kscornfed]

My son served on a grand jury a couple of years ago, one day a week for 3 months. His employer, a car dealership, definitely did not pay him. I think the county paid him $15 a day, something like that. Fortunately, he was able to work on Saturdays so he didn't take too much of a financial hit. But it made for a very long 3 months.

i don't know how it works where you live but where i live, grand jury duty is a choice. you don't have to serve on one. i've served on 2 myself. the judge who seats the grand jury gets a list of names and those people get letters asking them to be present on a certain day. the judge then selects 12 people from the list and that's the panel. for me, that meant 2 days a week for 3 months. harris county, tx has at least 2 and maybe 3 grand juries meeting on different days all year long because there are over 30,000 felonies filed here every year.

in the letter you get from the judge, it tells the dates of service required to and says if you don't want to serve, you can suggest someone else. you can even throw away the letter and not reply at all, which i've done a couple of times myself.

when you get a summons for jury duty, it's different. there aren't many exclusions in texas but there are some. but if you're chosen to be a juror on a case, then your employer has to pay you.

it's probably different where you live. just saying that's how it works where i live.

 

[G&AMom]

I think he is definitely out of touch with the jury and how to defend a defendant like JA. I would be very surprised if Wilmott is telling him "great job today, Kirk". That's something I don't understand. How can he think his strategy is a good idea and is working? Isn't there anybody he knows that is a voice of reason for him?
As annoying as he is I really don't mind because he is helping to send his client to death row.

BBM. Yes, I've been wondering this, too. It's like Jodi's "friend" Brian Carr. You really wish someone would come along and protect him from himself. I can't figure Wilmott out. She seems to have less influence in what's going on even than Nurmi does. And she's the one who's DP qualified.

When you stop and think about it, Nurmi should actually have quite a bit of influence over Jodi. She can't fire him. He's already tried to get off this runaway train and the judge refused. He should be able to lay down the law to her, so to speak, without worrying about how she'll take it. Just another sign, to me, that he just doesn't get it.

 

[DebinGA]

The prolonged exposure to Jodi has shown the jury that, other than Travis, she had no actual friends/confidants who could have understood where her thoughts were taking her and intervened in time to stop her. She planned alone, and she acted alone. The three women on AZ death row had accomplices, and only one did the killing herself when the poison provided by her bf failed to do the job. I can see a juror or two rejecting the death penalty for her, because, rejected by Travis and all his Mesa friends, she was now alienated and alone in Yreka with only her festering, deadly thoughts.