Intruder theories only. No posts from rdi members allowed

[Mollyandme]

Here is the link about the palm print: http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...t=JonBenet+Ramsey+Melinda+Basement+Palm+Print

Again, not trying to stir up trouble, just pointing out some facts.

JMO

thank you so much! i appreciate it sorry for the mis information. maybe the link isn't one allowed here?

 

[2 percent]

thank you so much! i appreciate it sorry for the mis information. maybe the link isn't one allowed here?

The link worked for me.
It's the Crime Library! No way a site called Websleuths is going to deny Crime Library :floorlaugh:

(psssst sometimes CL is not the most reliable for facts)

 

[2 percent]

im not sure if it was the ramseys or not, i tend to believe it was one of them but if it was an IDI, i do have a theory that could be somewhat plausible.

it could have been someone at the party they were at that night who left before the ramsey's did and hid in the guest room, someone who knows them but maybe not as well as the ramseys know the IDI, maybe someone on the periphery of their social circle. the guest room would be a good place to hide until they came home and would be in close proximity to Jon Benet's room. I would think the IDI tased jon benet in her bed so she wouldn't make any noise, but that doesn't really explain the pineapple found in her digestive tract. If it was an IDI i believe they entered and exited through the basement window. Also, according to the link I am posting below, detective Smit said that there was a baseball bat which was found outside with fibers that matched the fibers in the basement and was found in an area where you wouldn't find children playing. There was also a palm print found on the cellar door that hasn't been identified, and a pubic hair in her blanket that doesn't match any of the ramseys.

http://www.trutv.com/library/crime/notorious_murders/famous/ramsey/book_9b.html

I find it very unlikely that an intruder could go back and forth through a window and leave no evidence of themselves or the entry/exit.
If it's an intruder they came through a door, either an unsecured door or using a key.

 

[redheadedgal]

(psssst sometimes CL is not the most reliable for facts)

i just read the last chapter there on the JB case (37)... they haven't updated the site since karr was brought back from thailand... still wondering about his guilt:scared:

so, yes, definitely unreliable for "facts" lol

 

[tezi]

thank you so much! i appreciate it sorry for the mis information. maybe the link isn't one allowed here?

The link works, I just have to go to the Crime Library, sorry about that. I am dealing with some real life issues tonight and don't have the time to go look at the library...However, hopefully tomorrow I will be able to find the source about the pubic hair and the blanket.

And you are most welcome!

JMO

 

[tezi]

i just read the last chapter there on the JB case (37)... they haven't updated the site since karr was brought back from thailand... still wondering about his guilt :scared:

so, yes, definitely unreliable for "facts" lol

They are wondering about his guilt or you are? Clear that up for me, stat! lol

JMO

 

[redheadedgal]

tezi-- i have no doubt that JMK was not an intruder to the R house that night - or any other. CL stopped posting info after he was arrested. no updates since what? 2006? oy.

links to the hair, fibers etc were provided to mollyandme in the JAR thread so, don't worry about it

 

[Deleted member 39678]

I find it very unlikely that an intruder could go back and forth through a window and leave no evidence of themselves or the entry/exit.
If it's an intruder they came through a door, either an unsecured door or using a key.

I think that it's certainly possible for an intruder to have used the window as an access and exit point and leave no evidence. An unlocked door would also be obvious. Who, in your opinion, would have a key and be described as an intruder?

 

[tezi]

tezi-- i have no doubt that JMK was not an intruder to the R house that night - or any other. CL stopped posting info after he was arrested. no updates since what? 2006? oy.

links to the hair, fibers etc were provided to mollyandme in the JAR thread so, don't worry about it

RBBM: OK, thanks for clearing that up. I thought I was going to have to go down the JMK road with you, well not really, but hey! After the day I have had, anything terrible is possible. LOL

Thank you and everyone else who provided the links. I had a crisis and am still in the midst of it, so I didn't get to provide the links! Greatly appreciated.

Now, back to our regularly scheduled programming.

Sorry to be a thread hog!

JMO

 

[ScarlettScarpetta]

I think that it's certainly possible for an intruder to have used the window as an access and exit point and leave no evidence. An unlocked door would also be obvious. Who, in your opinion, would have a key and be described as an intruder?

Yes and since there were break ins in the neighborhood around the time of the murder, That is possible. Good burglars don't always leave evidence.

"What they have discovered is startling. Within a two-mile radius of where the Ramseys once lived, 38 of their neighbors are registered sex offenders. What these private detectives have also discovered is that in the months before JonBenet's murder, there were more than 100 burglaries in her neighborhood. "

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-18559_162-661569.html

 

[Deleted member 39678]

I think that the unidentified touch DNA that was recovered in this case is a clear sign that an intruder is a possibility. Forensic evidence that places JBR's family at the crime scene means little to me because it's to be expected. The unidentified DNA cannot be easily brushed aside in my opinion.

 

[ScarlettScarpetta]

"The crime lab has two spots of JonBenet's blood found on the underwear she was wearing the night of the murder. Mixed in with that blood is the DNA of an unknown person. It has taken years to isolate, but forensic scientists in Colorado now have a complete DNA profile of the killer. They know the killer is a male. What they don't know is his name. "

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-18559_162-661569.html

So with a complete profile it is obvious to me that There is the very real possibility that it was an intruder. Someone who was not supposed to be in that house that night.

 

[Deleted member 39678]

"The crime lab has two spots of JonBenet's blood found on the underwear she was wearing the night of the murder. Mixed in with that blood is the DNA of an unknown person. It has taken years to isolate, but forensic scientists in Colorado now have a complete DNA profile of the killer. They know the killer is a male. What they don't know is his name. "

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-18559_162-661569.html

So with a complete profile it is obvious to me that There is the very real possibility that it was an intruder. Someone who was not supposed to be in that house that night.

The science is absolute and it's confirmed that there was an unknown males DNA found with JBR. I think that it's from the man who killed her. MOO.

 

[ScarlettScarpetta]

The science is absolute and it's confirmed that there was an unknown males DNA found with JBR. I think that it's from the man who killed her. MOO.

I feel that it certainly can not be thrown out until the find out who it belongs to. I would love to know more about that intruder at Amy's house.

That sounds so bizarre to me that the police would not investigate and just kind of blew the parents off..

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-18559_162-661569.html

"By the time the Boulder police arrived, the man was long gone. Because the intruder had gotten in and out of the house so easily, Amy's father began to think this wasn't the first time he had done something like this.

"The first thing that occurred to us was that it was the parallel to the Ramsey case because it was exactly the same situation," says Amy's father, who even told the Boulder police about the Dance West studio connection to the Ramsey case. "I think someone, somewhere, drew a bead on her. Obviously had us under surveillance that we were not aware of."

"But Amy's dad says that when he told the police detectives about the information he had, "they were completely uninterested in it."

"They were very frustrated," says Peterson. "It was difficult to get them to do anything much less, you know, beyond taking a report."

But not only did the Boulder police dismiss any link to the Ramsey case, they didn't even bother to use the mother's eyewitness description to make a composite sketch. "

 

[Deleted member 39678]

I feel that it certainly can not be thrown out until the find out who it belongs to. I would love to know more about that intruder at Amy's house.

That sounds so bizarre to me that the police would not investigate and just kind of blew the parents off..

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-18559_162-661569.html

"By the time the Boulder police arrived, the man was long gone. Because the intruder had gotten in and out of the house so easily, Amy's father began to think this wasn't the first time he had done something like this.

"The first thing that occurred to us was that it was the parallel to the Ramsey case because it was exactly the same situation," says Amy's father, who even told the Boulder police about the Dance West studio connection to the Ramsey case. "I think someone, somewhere, drew a bead on her. Obviously had us under surveillance that we were not aware of."

"But Amy's dad says that when he told the police detectives about the information he had, "they were completely uninterested in it."

"They were very frustrated," says Peterson. "It was difficult to get them to do anything much less, you know, beyond taking a report."

But not only did the Boulder police dismiss any link to the Ramsey case, they didn't even bother to use the mother's eyewitness description to make a composite sketch. "

Wow. The connections are amazing.

Like JonBenet, she took lessons at Dance West. And like JonBenet, another girl, who is identified as "Amy," was attacked and sexually assaulted at night in her own bedroom on Sept. 14, 1997

And Boulder police did a shabby job of investigating this case also. Sad.

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-18559_162-661569.html

 

[DeeDee249]

There was NO pubic hair. We just can't seem to make that error go away. There WAS a hair thought to be a pubic hair found on the white blanket- it was tested and found to be a hair from the forearm of Patsy Ramsey (also described as an ancillary hair) - NOT an axillary hair, which is from the underarm.

 

[Deleted member 39678]

I'm not talking about pubic hair, I'm talking about unidentified DNA that was found on JBR. That points towards an intruder.

 

[Harmony 2]

I feel that it certainly can not be thrown out until the find out who it belongs to. I would love to know more about that intruder at Amy's house.

That sounds so bizarre to me that the police would not investigate and just kind of blew the parents off..

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-18559_162-661569.html

"By the time the Boulder police arrived, the man was long gone. Because the intruder had gotten in and out of the house so easily, Amy's father began to think this wasn't the first time he had done something like this.

"The first thing that occurred to us was that it was the parallel to the Ramsey case because it was exactly the same situation," says Amy's father, who even told the Boulder police about the Dance West studio connection to the Ramsey case. "I think someone, somewhere, drew a bead on her. Obviously had us under surveillance that we were not aware of."

"But Amy's dad says that when he told the police detectives about the information he had, "they were completely uninterested in it."

"They were very frustrated," says Peterson. "It was difficult to get them to do anything much less, you know, beyond taking a report."

But not only did the Boulder police dismiss any link to the Ramsey case, they didn't even bother to use the mother's eyewitness description to make a composite sketch. "

A candy rose has some information about Amy's attack garnered from the police report... The following is a small snippet:

Although saliva contains DNA and the victim was swabbed soon after the assault, no foreign DNA was recovered from her body.

The police report mentions a possibly related case in the Tanta/Moorehead Circle area of Boulder a couple of months before the Sept. 1997 intrusion.

http://www.acandyrose.com/s-september97-intruder.htm

The Tanta/Moorehead Circle area of Boulder is about 4 miles away from the area where Amy lived and about two miles away from the Ramsey home. A serial rapist, Bradford Wagner, was on the prowl in the 1990s. Wagner was described as 5'8". Investigators had a genetic material profile that linked him to six cases and it was believed he was responsible for as many as 14 attacks. Here is a chronology of some of the crimes that were linked to him using DNA evidence:

http://www.dailycamera.com/ci_13056826

In at least one of the rapes, the suspect wore a stocking mask and surgical gloves and was armed with a weapon.

http://www.thedenverchannel.com/news/suspected-serial-rapist-arrested-by-boulder-police

He was known to select apartment buildings with complex layouts. In one instance, a woman was struck on the head and the intruder fled. He committed suicide in jail. All this information may not be related to Amy's case but there are a lot of similarities in the MO. His DNA is surely in the system but no foreign DNA was recovered from Amy's body. To bring this around to Jonbenet, small samples of touch DNA were recovered and if he had been the perpetrator I am sure the system would have had a hit.

http://www.zoominfo.com/p/Bradford-Wagner/465696572

 

[ScarlettScarpetta]

A candy rose has some information about Amy's attack garnered from the police report... The following is a small snippet:



http://www.acandyrose.com/s-september97-intruder.htm

The Tanta/Moorehead Circle area of Boulder is about 4 miles away from the area where Amy lived and about two miles away from the Ramsey home. A serial rapist, Bradford Wagner, was on the prowl in the 1990s. Wagner was described as 5'8". Investigators had a genetic material profile that linked him to six cases and it was believed he was responsible for as many as 14 attacks. Here is a chronology of some of the crimes that were linked to him using DNA evidence:

http://www.dailycamera.com/ci_13056826



http://www.thedenverchannel.com/news/suspected-serial-rapist-arrested-by-boulder-police

He was known to select apartment buildings with complex layouts. In one instance, a woman was struck on the head and the intruder fled. He committed suicide in jail. All this information may not be related to Amy's case but there are a lot of similarities in the MO. His DNA is surely in the system but no foreign DNA was recovered from Amy's body. To bring this around to Jonbenet, small samples of touch DNA were recovered and if he had been the perpetrator I am sure the system would have had a hit.

http://www.zoominfo.com/p/Bradford-Wagner/465696572

Thanks for that! I do believe though that since Amy's assailant has not been found definitively and that JBR's case is also unsolved with the similar mo It is still linked in some way. I believe there was most likely 2 people involved in the JBR crime and so this could have been one of the two and not the one who left the DNA in the JBR case.

 

[ScarlettScarpetta]

I also still have many questions about Michael Helgoth.

His death and seemingly interesting information about him.