Intruder theories only. No posts from rdi members allowed

[ScarlettScarpetta]

Another poster posted this about 10 years ago here.

Other than the horrible manner of the reporter rude and sarcastic, I have to look into what this man says more.

I am curious about the handwriting thing and will be looking into that.

http://thewebsafe.tripod.com/09241999petersonconference.htm

 

[ScarlettScarpetta]

I just keep thinking that we have not discovered this assailant yet. I feel like he is out there and I think this was a big event for him also. Maybe personal so he never felt the need to repeat this. I have to wonder if the assault on JBR was a cover to make it look more personal than it was. That he was really after killing her to hurt JR and no matter what they did he was going to kill her and wanted JR knew this was about him and that was what that crazy Ransom note was..

Just thinking out loud this morning..

 

[tezi]

Another poster posted this about 10 years ago here.

Other than the horrible manner of the reporter rude and sarcastic, I have to look into what this man says more.

I am curious about the handwriting thing and will be looking into that.

http://thewebsafe.tripod.com/09241999petersonconference.htm

Why don't you just link the thread to the discussion posted here? I can't right at this moment because I can't have more than one window open while my computer updates.

JMO

 

[ScarlettScarpetta]

Looking at the Ransom note this morning and trying to find real unbiased information on it.
IT is tough!

But I did find this..

"Investigators consulted with six handwriting experts, four hired by police and two hired by the Ramseys. All six excluded John Ramsey as the author of the note, and none identified Patsy Ramsey as the writer.

"Rather, the experts' consensus was that she 'probably did not' write the ransom note," Carnes wrote.

On a scale of one to five, with five eliminating someone from suspicion as the author of the ransom note, the experts placed Patsy Ramsey at 4.5 to 4.0, Carnes wrote.

Wolf and Hoffman, however, hired their own handwriting experts, Gideon Epstein and Cina Wong, who said they were "100 percent certain" Mrs. Ramsey wrote the ransom note.

"In contrast to the experts relied upon by defendants and by the Boulder Police Department, however, neither of these experts have ever seen or examined the original ransom note," Carnes wrote. "In fact, Mr. Epstein and Ms. Wong do not know what 'generation' copy of the ransom note they examined."

Carnes points out that other people under suspicion other than Patsy Ramsey were not eliminated as possible authors of the ransom note, including Wolf himself.

"For example, forensic document examiner Lloyd Cunningham cannot eliminate plaintiff as the author of the ransom note," Carnes wrote. "Plaintiff's ex-girlfriend has also testified that she was 'struck by how the handwriting in the note resembled (Wolf's) own handwriting,' and believes that he is the note's author.""
http://www.examiner.com/article/if-not-patsy-ramsey-then-who-the-suspects-jonbenet-s-death

I don't think the theory that PR wrote this note is as solid as people think it is. It seems to me when I look around that she was not the author with any real probability. Still working on this.

And I have another question.. Just because the pad was found in the house, Does not mean it was not taken at an earlier time and returned the day of the murder. IT could have been put there to "frame" The R's in some way. This whole crime feels personal to me so I can not discount this.

 

[2 percent]

Who, in your opinion, would have a key and be described as an intruder?

intruder (ɪnˈtruːd&#601

— n
a person who enters a building, grounds, etc, without permission.

By definition anyone who enters without permission is an intruder. Which means everyone is under that heading for me. A key is the most likely explanation. An unsecured door is too fortuitous for me.

 

[Deleted member 39678]

intruder (ɪnˈtruːd&#601

— n
a person who enters a building, grounds, etc, without permission.

By definition anyone who enters without permission is an intruder. Which means everyone is under that heading for me. A key is the most likely explanation. An unsecured door is too fortuitous for me.

I asked who you thought would have a key and be an intruder. Posting a definition doesn't help.

 

[Harmony 2]

I asked who you thought would have a key and be an intruder. Posting a definition doesn't help.

Hi Ranch! :seeya: Here is a little information about the Ramsey's keys...

1999 February 18 - Lawrence Schillers book, "Perfect Murder, Perfect Town

Page 179:

"In April 1997, Ellis Armistead, an investigator hired by the Ramseys, would tell the police that there were twenty more extra keys outstanding. In the end, however, the detective could find only nine poeple who said they had keys. Six of the keys were returned. Three were missing. The Police soon learned that the front door locked automatically when it closed."

http://www.acandyrose.com/crimescene-panic911.htm

I am not sure how accurate the following information is but it was revealed during the lawsuit by Chris Wolf.

She dismissed a lawsuit by journalist Chris Wolf, who was named as a possible suspect in a book authored by the Ramseys. Carnes' 93 page dismissal ruling also contained never before revealed evidence in the case:

Seven windows were unlocked and a door was open in the Ramsey home after the murder; pieces of a brown paper bag were found in Jonbenet's bed- the bag itself, containing rope, was in a bedroom next to Jonbent's room; and dark animal hairs were found in her hands.

http://www.acandyrose.com/20030429NEWS-NE-JonBenetStrangeTwist.htm

Most of the focus has been on the broken window under the grate but I have always wondered about the window with the chair under it in the following photo. I wonder where that window was located.

This is a photo of the window in the boiler room:

layout shows windows in basement

http://extras.denverpost.com/news/jonhouse1016b.htm

 

[Roy23]

Hi Ranch! :seeya: Here is a little information about the Ramsey's keys...



http://www.acandyrose.com/crimescene-panic911.htm

I am not sure how accurate the following information is but it was revealed during the lawsuit by Chris Wolf.




http://www.acandyrose.com/20030429NEWS-NE-JonBenetStrangeTwist.htm

Most of the focus has been on the broken window under the grate but I have always wondered about the window with the chair under it in the following photo. I wonder where that window was located.

This is a photo of the window in the boiler room:

layout shows windows in basement

http://extras.denverpost.com/news/jonhouse1016b.htm

Wow!

I wonder why so many think it impossible that anyone besides the Ramsey's could have done this then. Good stuff Harmony

 

[Roy23]

Do you mean senior or jr? I don't have anything that points me to him.. Is there specific things that keep him on your radar?

Sort of but it is not fair to post it really. It is heresay and I don't want to defame anyone's character without proof unlike a lot of stuff that is here. There are many things pointing to an inside job and an intruder and it makes the case somewhat confusing for unbiased persons. And quite frankly I expect much of what I have read to be a bunch of crap just like what RDI's have read. Wish LE would put it all out there and let us see.

 

[ScarlettScarpetta]

Sort of but it is not fair to post it really. It is heresay and I don't want to defame anyone's character without proof unlike a lot of stuff that is here. There are many things pointing to an inside job and an intruder and it makes the case somewhat confusing for unbiased persons. And quite frankly I expect much of what I have read to be a bunch of crap just like what RDI's have read. Wish LE would put it all out there and let us see.

I completely understand. I feel the same. If I can not prove it or at least point to probability I am not putting a bullseye on someone.


I have been thinking about a lot of things that just make sense lately and one of them is that that pad the ransom note was on could have been taken and used somewhere else and then brought back that day along with the note and practice note because then the trail ends at the R's. IT is not found in someone else trash or someone else's home.
I just don't see how you remove that possibility. It is completely possible.
The more I think about it, I have to wonder if it was not someone who they knew and just had no idea.

 

[Roy23]

I completely understand. I feel the same. If I can not prove it or at least point to probability I am not putting a bullseye on someone.


I have been thinking about a lot of things that just make sense lately and one of them is that that pad the ransom note was on could have been taken and used somewhere else and then brought back that day along with the note and practice note because then the trail ends at the R's. IT is not found in someone else trash or someone else's home.
I just don't see how you remove that possibility. It is completely possible.
The more I think about it, I have to wonder if it was not someone who they knew and just had no idea.

When I look at the totality of what I know about the evidence, the weirdness, timing etc---I always have one question. Who was Jealous of John Ramsey and why? I think that question is a relevant one if the truth is ever found out.

 

[ScarlettScarpetta]

When I look at the totality of what I know about the evidence, the weirdness, timing etc---I always have one question. Who was Jealous of John Ramsey and why? I think that question is a relevant one if the truth is ever found out.

I agree. I see jealousy and/or hatred. The fact that the collateral damage in this crime was a little girl who was completely innocent is horrific.

But I think this was most likely a power/ jealousy/hate crime than anything else.

 

[Roy23]

I agree. I see jealousy and/or hatred. The fact that the collateral damage in this crime was a little girl who was completely innocent is horrific.

But I think this was most likely a power/ jealousy/hate crime than anything else.

Does anyone know if John was known to have any affairs or flings in Boulder?

 

[ScarlettScarpetta]

Does anyone know if John was known to have any affairs or flings in Boulder?

I don't. I have never heard of one and I think if there were one we would know by now. That is just my opinion but to me nothing that is out there on these people stays quiet. I wonder more about business deals. I also feel like it is a little more personal than business though.

 

[ScarlettScarpetta]

I found this. I am not calling it a link, But more of just one bloggers take on the Ransom note. Just information I had not considered..

http://columbinefamilyrequest.org/cases-being-investigated/jonbenet-ramsey-and-the-fat-cats/

I don't believe his opinion of a suspect and that he uses the Ramsey book at that bottom does not impress anything on me, But I was interested in his analysis of the Ransom note. Some things I never considered.

 

[2 percent]

I asked who you thought would have a key and be an intruder. Posting a definition doesn't help.

...I think the definition of intruder is helpful so no one gets stuck on the idea that an intruder had to be a stranger.

The keys haven't been accounted for. In the absence of any real evidence of entry through a window, I pick a door. As to who, I would tend to rule out people that returned the keys and would be suspicious of people who probably had them but couldn't produce them. Since the Ramseys can't seem to remember exactly who had them and if they had returned them, the list has to be incomplete and suspicion must fall on them based on other factors.

Tell me;
How do you think the murderer got in?
What name do you put to the murderer?

 

[ScarlettScarpetta]

To me an intruder is anyone who was not supposed to be there. Just that simple for me.

How they got in? I don't know. I am not counting the windows out but it could have been a door also.

What remains for me is the possibility is a very real one.

 

[Deleted member 39678]

...I think the definition of intruder is helpful so no one gets stuck on the idea that an intruder had to be a stranger.

The keys haven't been accounted for. In the absence of any real evidence of entry through a window, I pick a door. As to who, I would tend to rule out people that returned the keys and would be suspicious of people who probably had them but couldn't produce them. Since the Ramseys can't seem to remember exactly who had them and if they had returned them, the list has to be incomplete and suspicion must fall on them based on other factors.

Tell me;
How do you think the murderer got in?
What name do you put to the murderer?

I'm not restricting the possible suspects to only those who may have had a key because I see no reason to do that. Why would an intruder have to leave behind evidence of entry thru an unlocked door or window?

I have no idea how the murderer got in or what his or her name is.

 

[Ausgirl]

Keys are easy to reproduce, anyhow, so anyone connected to anyone who had a key at any time prior to JB's death could have had a copy...

I'm not that interested in focussing on particular suspects by name right now, but rather looking at the HOW of an intruder, and the potential WHY.

Either a theory will hold water and be valid as a potential scenario, or it won't, in the end. Some RDI theories do seem likely to me, others are really not - I think it's worth scrutinising IDI theories in much the same detail. I'm okay with there being two opposing theories which fit - we'll likely never know who killed her, and I highly doubt a theory will solve this crime. But it'd be nice to pin down the likely scenarios with clear eyes, no matter where they lead.

A couple pages back, I posted a rather half assed 'enemy of John' theory. I'd like to assess it for flaws and possibilities. Right now, I am seeing the note as very possibly being a taunt at John (I think it being an actual ransom note is pretty far from any kind of reality - so I'm looking into non-RDI why's of it being there at all).

As for windows.. I broke into my own supposedly well locked home a couple weeks ago having locked myself out (AGAIN, sheesh). Through a window. But blind Freddy could have seen somebody'd been through there, as I am lazy about dusting the sills in that room, we hardly use it.. I doubt Patsy was anal about dusting her basement window sills, either (but that's a tidbit I should research). It'd be a crafty intruder who could get through a window in a little-used room without leaving significant marks in the dust on sill or glass. I'm pretty sure that'd be an obvious thing for police to look for.

 

[tezi]

Like FW perhaps

As I recall, any discussion about FW and PW being suspects is strictly forbidden. I am sure a mod will let me know if this rule has changed.

JMO