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[deca]

So, supposing IDI- what do you think the motive was? I mean obviously the perp was a sick perv- but was it only that? Or did they have a vendetta against Patsy or J? Blackmail plot? Ruin J as a businessman?

 

[madeleine]

I don't think it has to be necessarily someone unknown to them. I think it would most likely be someone in the fringe of people they knew.

yes,if it was a total stranger what about the RN?the RN sounds very personal,J.Douglas agrees.IMO JD's profile is spot on if IDI.

 

[ScarlettScarpetta]

I think that they wanted it to look like J was involved. I think that is why the body was left there. I just feel like this was meant to destroy JR.

No proof of that, That is just a feeling when I look at the photos and piece together evidence step by step.

 

[ScarlettScarpetta]

The scream seems to be a big issue for some but when I read this I feel good about this being the reason someone could hear a scream outside but not in the house..

"Detective Smit pointed out a vent pipe in the basement boiler room, where the most brutal part of the attack likely took place.
Smit: This has an open end in the basement, and also an open end to the outside. It acts almost like a megaphone. And is aimed right in the myself, and other investigators, and has a general direction.
Smit explained that in an experiment, they had someone yell from the basement. It was audible from the neighbors but not from the Ramseys' bedroom. As Smit became increasingly convinced of his intruder theory, his frustration with the official investigation grew and in September 1998, he quit the D.A.’s office."

http://www.nbcnews.com/id/14429987/ns/dateline_nbc/t/who-killed-jonbenet/#.UjHcc9LOnbM

 

[Roy23]

I am on old school IDI.

Somebody got into the house with a stupid and immature plan and panic ensued and JBR was killed instead of taken. The proceeding police screw ups and leaks to protect themselves and their reputations forced the Ramsey's and their lawyers to protect themselves as the DA's office and police bicker with each other because of the screwups they made.

Unlike RDI's, I think that tainted DNA due to a crappy coroner should give more benefit to the Ramsey's instead or saying it is worthless. Isn't the coroner on the Prosecutory side? Plus, it is not their DNA. I imagine those in LE have their concerns that more of their screw ups will be on public display assuming they ever catch the intruder who did it. The family doing it doesn't make any sense. It doesn't have to though and I understand that.

I really wonder how the case would have played out had LE just taken control of the crime scene immediately and found the body. Hmmm!

 

[ScarlettScarpetta]

I am on old school IDI.

Somebody got into the house with a stupid and immature plan and panic ensued and JBR was killed instead of taken. The proceeding police screw ups and leaks to protect themselves and their reputations forced the Ramsey's and their lawyers to protect themselves as the DA's office and police bicker with each other because of the screwups they made.

Unlike RDI's, I think that tainted DNA due to a crappy coroner should give more benefit to the Ramsey's instead or saying it is worthless. Isn't the coroner on the Prosecutory side? Plus, it is not their DNA. I imagine those in LE have their concerns that more of their screw ups will be on public display assuming they ever catch the intruder who did it. The family doing it doesn't make any sense. It doesn't have to though and I understand that.

I really wonder how the case would have played out had LE just taken control of the crime scene immediately and found the body. Hmmm!

BBM. I can not agree more with this. I think had the police correctly immediately had FBI arrive, Sealed the scene, Searched correctly, we would have indeed had an answer today.

I think people were way too far over their heads and that they made a snap decision that morning about who they thought this was and that is how they went into their investigation, Between the police and the DA and the coroner and the mess of books and craziness, I just think this case was doomed from the very first arrival of police.

 

[Venom]

I am on old school IDI.

Somebody got into the house with a stupid and immature plan and panic ensued and JBR was killed instead of taken. The proceeding police screw ups and leaks to protect themselves and their reputations forced the Ramsey's and their lawyers to protect themselves as the DA's office and police bicker with each other because of the screwups they made.

Unlike RDI's, I think that tainted DNA due to a crappy coroner should give more benefit to the Ramsey's instead or saying it is worthless. Isn't the coroner on the Prosecutory side? Plus, it is not their DNA. I imagine those in LE have their concerns that more of their screw ups will be on public display assuming they ever catch the intruder who did it. The family doing it doesn't make any sense. It doesn't have to though and I understand that.

I really wonder how the case would have played out had LE just taken control of the crime scene immediately and found the body. Hmmm!

By tainted dna due to a crappy coroner, do you mean her fingernail clippings?

 

[ScarlettScarpetta]

http://www.dnaforensics.com/touchdna.aspx

Found this interesting about Touch DNA. I have been scouring the net looking at TDNA articles and findings.

Report don't reply needs to be our motto on this thread... Ignore and report.. Thanks!

 

[Venom]

Does anyone know if the unknown touch dna is being ran through codis?

 

[ScarlettScarpetta]

Does anyone know if the unknown touch dna is being ran through codis?

http://www.dnaforensics.com/touchdna.aspx

This link has cases solved through the identification of TDNA. They had to identify them from somewhere but I will look for that..


And this link

http://www.promega.com/~/media/file...shi 22/poster abstracts/083 redmond.pdf?la=en

Says it can be used to identify people through codis.

"Touch DNA cases yielded CODIS-eligible profiles 34% of the time while body-fluid containing
cases yielded CODIS-eligible DNA profiles 78% of the time. While the touch DNA success rate
was less than the rate for items containing body-fluids, the CODIS hit rate for cases entered
during this period was similar."

 

[Roy23]

Does anyone know if the unknown touch dna is being ran through codis?

A qualified sample DNA sample is in Codis. It is not touch DNA but a sample from a spot in the crotch of her underwear. Most think it is saliva. How the fingernail and other touch DNA matches up to the DNA in codis is a debate that rages on. And quite frankly both RDI and IDI could make great arguments either way. And so could a defense attorney for whomever could ever be prosecuted.

 

[ScarlettScarpetta]

I have been reading alot about TDNA today.. Trying to get up to speed..

I just can not discount this unsourced TDNA. It is too important.

 

[SapphireSteel]

I'm not totally familiar with the TDNA, so correct me if I'm wrong - I thought the TDNA found contained six different samples, indicating six different unknown folks who handled the underwear? Possibly in a factory in China somewhere?

 

[ScarlettScarpetta]

I'm not totally familiar with the TDNA, so correct me if I'm wrong - I thought the TDNA found contained six different samples, indicating six different unknown folks who handled the underwear? Possibly in a factory in China somewhere?

All you need is one match to someone that makes sense. Just one.

 

[SapphireSteel]

All you need is one match to someone that makes sense. Just one.

None of it has ever been matched to anybody though...

And if you're saying the TDNA was left by JB's abuser/murderer, are you seriously thinking there was a party of six in that house that night? All unheard, all got in through a tiny window, all had a go at JB?

Really?

 

[Nom de plume]

Attention RDIs!! Per Kimster, this thread will be for IDI theories and discussion ONLY! We now have our own RDI ONLY thread! arty:

Let's respect this thread and not discuss/argue our RDI theories here, and ask that the IDI not discuss/argue their theories on our thread!

Pass the word! See you there!

 

[ScarlettScarpetta]

None of it has ever been matched to anybody though...

And if you're saying the TDNA was left by JB's abuser/murderer, are you seriously thinking there was a party of six in that house that night? All unheard, all got in through a tiny window, all had a go at JB?

Really?

I thought I made that clear, It is not about it all matching, but one person matching maybe 2. The thing is it does not match anyone tested. That matters a lot. Just because it has not been matched yet, Does not mean it won't be.

It may be by now if indeed there was more people looking outside the R's from the beginning.

 

[ScarlettScarpetta]

Attention RDIs!! Per Kimster, this thread will be for IDI theories and discussion ONLY! We now have our own RDI ONLY thread! arty:

Let's respect this thread and not discuss/argue our RDI theories here, and ask that the IDI not discuss/argue their theories on our thread!

Pass the word! See you there!

Yep there are lots of threads to discuss all the RDI.. enjoy!

 

[Deleted member 39678]

I thought I made that clear, It is not about it all matching, but one person matching maybe 2. The thing is it does not match anyone tested. That matters a lot. Just because it has not been matched yet, Does not mean it won't be.

It may be by now if indeed there was more people looking outside the R's from the beginning.

It's clear to me what your point is. And I have to say that the unknown TDNA that was found could be from an intruder that came into the Ramsey home and killed JBR.

 

[BOESP]

A qualified sample DNA sample is in Codis. It is not touch DNA but a sample from a spot in the crotch of her underwear. Most think it is saliva. How the fingernail and other touch DNA matches up to the DNA in codis is a debate that rages on. And quite frankly both RDI and IDI could make great arguments either way. And so could a defense attorney for whomever could ever be prosecuted.

Just a heads-up on the DNA submitted to CODIS. It was an augmented sample, meaning the quality wasn't up to the standards for submission without the augmentation. That piece of information should be important to IDI theories.