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[BBB167893]

1. Maybe, but what if you're wrong about this case?

That's a question I've been grappling with for a long time. Don't forget: I used to be one of you.

So much conviction on both sides, I don't get it.

I don't get it either, in a different way.

2. You don't need to explain. You've already given it away.

I think I gave some people the wrong idea. That was pretty harsh of me, and I don't like it when I get like that.

 

[redheadedgal]

The only hands tied in this case were JonBenet's,

if you've read ST, you know this isn't true either.

 

[Mama2JML]

if you've read ST, you know this isn't true either.

I understand ST's perspective, but there are more than a few sides to this story. Plenty of blame to go around...

 

[Mama2JML]

I theorize from an IDI perspective, because I believe there is sufficient evidence to do so. I haven't truly ruled out RDI (completely), but I haven't ruled out many possibilities. (BDI seems highly improbable, IMO.) I don't believe we have access to enough factual information to firmly establish RDI or IDI. I will offer my conjectures, if RDIs are interested in considering my perspective, that's great.

 

[Tawny]

Show me. (Anonymous, unidentified, no name sources aren't SOURCES.)

A source said the medical records of JBR were handed over the authorities, and that was good enough for IDI.

We need to have the same standards for both "sides", IMHO.

 

[Mama2JML]

A source said the medical records of JBR were handed over the authorities, and that was good enough for IDI.

We need to have the same standards for both "sides", IMHO.

Agreed. Kolar discusses issues surrounding Ramsey medical records in FF. He speaks of an "island of privacy" regarding Burke, but I don't recall this extending to JonBenet. In fact, I believe he confirms JonBenet's records are included in the investigative "file".

I've misplaced my copy of FF, but I'll certainly check this out when I locate it. In the meantime, if you have access to the book, I'd be very appreciative if you would share the pertinent information.

 

[Tawny]

I don't have it anymore, returned it to the liberry

 

[Landonsmom02]

Is there any report or document that states this?

Four red acrylic fibers found on the duct tape that covered the child's mouth were consistent with fibers from a blazer worn by Patsy Ramsey on Christmas, Thomas wrote. Detectives also wanted a search warrant for a pair of fur boots Patsy Ramsey was seen wearing that night because the FBI lab identified a possible beaver hair on the tape, but prosecutors never approved the warrant.

Source: denver.rockymountainnews....homa.shtml

BBM

 

[Mama2JML]

Four red acrylic fibers found on the duct tape that covered the child's mouth were consistent with fibers from a blazer worn by Patsy Ramsey on Christmas, Thomas wrote. Detectives also wanted a search warrant for a pair of fur boots Patsy Ramsey was seen wearing that night because the FBI lab identified a possible beaver hair on the tape, but prosecutors never approved the warrant.

Source: denver.rockymountainnews....homa.shtml

BBM

Thank you, Landonsmom02. The hair certainly could have come from a pair of Patsy's boots, but it could have come from any number of items. ...belonging to the Rs or not.

We know LE collected fibers, hairs, and debris from the body & various locations in the home. I wonder if beaver hair was found in other locations. If so, I haven't come across any information that indicates this.

LE also studied photographs. So, I imagine investigators attempted to determine specificities re: Ramsey clothing & footwear in an effort to source evidence such as this to a type, brand, product line, store, production date range, etc. If these attempts were made, it doesn't appear that LE was successful in their pursuit.

Bottom line: The hair hasn't been sourced, and I tend to believe that LE worked diligently to find the origin.

 

[questfortrue]

Agreed. Kolar discusses issues surrounding Ramsey medical records in FF. He speaks of an "island of privacy" regarding Burke, but I don't recall this extending to JonBenet. In fact, I believe he confirms JonBenet's records are included in the investigative "file".

I've misplaced my copy of FF, but I'll certainly check this out when I locate it. In the meantime, if you have access to the book, I'd be very appreciative if you would share the pertinent information.

Since you asked, take this info as you will. It is not differentiated in Kolar’s book whose medical records are inferred, BR, JB, JR or PR.

From Kolar’s book: BM, attorney for JR - “I have a real problem with certain kinds of medical records. These people are entitled to an island of privacy to try to recover what they’ve been through.” “I think you will get virtually everything you’ve described with the possible exception of personal medical records that I think John and Patsy are at least entitled to make a reasonable decision on….” “I’ve already discussed these matters with Hoffstrom and he knows how we operate.” Kindle Locations 3268-3271).

Kolar - “I had discovered during my review of case files that, with the apparent consent of prosecutors, there were medical records that Ramsey attorneys withheld from the District Attorney’s Office in 1998, and I believed it conceivable that they spoke to the very issue of family involvement and a cover-up regarding the circumstances of JonBenét’s death. (Kindle Locations 4658-4660). . . “I believed that there was a reason defense attorneys had worked so hard behind the scenes to withhold family medical information, and proposed that this “island of privacy” was a viable lead that deserved the attention of investigators and prosecutors.” (Kindle Locations 5453-5454).

In PMPT book Schiller mentions that on Feb. 10 Detective JH obtained a signed release from PR and JR allowing her to speak to Dr. B’s nursing staff. On March 25 Detective JH was allowed to interview Dr. B and Dr. B summarized the child’s medical history. No records were turned over.

 

[ScarlettScarpetta]

Four red acrylic fibers found on the duct tape that covered the child's mouth were consistent with fibers from a blazer worn by Patsy Ramsey on Christmas, Thomas wrote. Detectives also wanted a search warrant for a pair of fur boots Patsy Ramsey was seen wearing that night because the FBI lab identified a possible beaver hair on the tape, but prosecutors never approved the warrant.

Source: denver.rockymountainnews....homa.shtml

BBM

There is no proof that they were consistent. The only time we see that mentioned is in a deposition where the DA is baiting Patsy to answer something.. They NEVER offer proof of the claim. There are also many fibers not sourced at all.

That would not be the R's fault because they did not get warrants.. Get mad at who the blame belongs to.

Nothing says it was the R's.

 

[ScarlettScarpetta]

Since you asked, take this info as you will. It is not differentiated in Kolar’s book whose medical records are inferred, BR, JB, JR or PR.

From Kolar’s book: BM, attorney for JR - “I have a real problem with certain kinds of medical records. These people are entitled to an island of privacy to try to recover what they’ve been through.” “I think you will get virtually everything you’ve described with the possible exception of personal medical records that I think John and Patsy are at least entitled to make a reasonable decision on….” “I’ve already discussed these matters with Hoffstrom and he knows how we operate.” Kindle Locations 3268-3271).

Kolar - “I had discovered during my review of case files that, with the apparent consent of prosecutors, there were medical records that Ramsey attorneys withheld from the District Attorney’s Office in 1998, and I believed it conceivable that they spoke to the very issue of family involvement and a cover-up regarding the circumstances of JonBenét’s death. (Kindle Locations 4658-4660). . . “I believed that there was a reason defense attorneys had worked so hard behind the scenes to withhold family medical information, and proposed that this “island of privacy” was a viable lead that deserved the attention of investigators and prosecutors.” (Kindle Locations 5453-5454).

In PMPT book Schiller mentions that on Feb. 10 Detective JH obtained a signed release from PR and JR allowing her to speak to Dr. B’s nursing staff. On March 25 Detective JH was allowed to interview Dr. B and Dr. B summarized the child’s medical history. No records were turned over.

Speculation and innuendo. No proof of what is in the records.. So it could be completely benign and yet has become urban legend.

There is nothing in this family history that goes to abuse or anything that would make them capable of this crime.

 

[txsvicki]

Does the beaver hair on the tape match the hair in JonBenet's hand? To me, that hair in the hand could mean she originally fell down on someone's boots after being hit. Kolar mentions many, too many fibers consistent with Patsy's jacket on the tape.

 

[ScarlettScarpetta]

Does the beaver hair on the tape match the hair in JonBenet's hand? To me, that hair in the hand could mean she originally fell down on someone's boots after being hit. Kolar mentions many, too many fibers consistent with Patsy's jacket on the tape.

And what if there are?? Patsy's jacket lives in the house. Those fibers would be all over. That is no smoking gun.. More like the fact that the house had beds.

 

[questfortrue]

Speculation and innuendo. No proof of what is in the records.. So it could be completely benign and yet has become urban legend.

There is nothing in this family history that goes to abuse or anything that would make them capable of this crime.

The terminology in my post: “Take this as you will” connotes that the information is being provided to a poster on this board who requested it and is being offered with no personal opinions. If anyone found it inflammatory or innuendo-like towards an abuse scenario, that was not the intention of providing the info.

 

[Landonsmom02]

There is no proof that they were consistent. The only time we see that mentioned is in a deposition where the DA is baiting Patsy to answer something.. They NEVER offer proof of the claim. There are also many fibers not sourced at all.

That would not be the R's fault because they did not get warrants.. Get mad at who the blame belongs to.

Nothing says it was the R's.

BBM

Ummm yes it is the DA fault. If they had of treated this crime the way it should have been treated and not sugar coated everything for the Ramsey's we wouldn't be here today. They couldn't offer proof because the warrants weren't signed. Wonder why that is?? How can they source something and rule it out when they were never given the opportunity. The blame certainly doesn't fall on LE. THEY TRIED!

 

[ScarlettScarpetta]

BBM

Ummm yes it is the DA fault. If they had of treated this crime the way it should have been treated and not sugar coated everything for the Ramsey's we wouldn't be here today. They couldn't offer proof because the warrants weren't signed. Wonder why that is?? How can they source something and rule it out when they were never given the opportunity. The blame certainly doesn't fall on LE. THEY TRIED!

Sure it does. LE messed this up from the start. They did not protect the crime scene and they made a bigger mess of it.

I am completely supportive of LE as a whole but this time they messed up royally.

Maybe it is the DA's fault. Maybe the DA had more information that kept them from getting warrants.. But judges sign warrants not DA's.

 

[gramcracker]

Maybe it is the DA's fault.
not maybe. absolutely

Maybe the DA had more information that kept them from getting warrants.
nothing less than the crime on vid w/ audio would have satisfied AH. and even then he would have offered a plea to avoid a trial. IMO

But judges sign warrants not DA's.
judges decide whether or not to sign warrants submitted to them for approval. if no submission is made, there is no decision to be made. if the DA no submit-y, the judge no decide-y

blue = me

 

[ScarlettScarpetta]

blue = me

No. Not absolutely. Since the LE did such a poor job with evidence to begin with maybe there was not enough foundation for the warrants, Maybe the DA felt that it was not justified.

That comment about AH is just personal opinion. There is no proof of that.

People want to vilify him. It makes no sense. If he thought there was enough he would have pushed it to trial. HE is the one who brought it to a GJ.

I think there was something at some point that made him question the whole case. That is just my opinion

 

[Tawny]

He then ignored a GJ's year long work and then lied that they had ever done anything. He kind of deserves vilification for that, IMVHO.