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[ScarlettScarpetta]

The Ramsey killer also waited much less time before attacking JB. It is estimated that she was killed between 11pm and 1am; the Ramsey's claim they went to bed I believe by 11 or 11:30pm. IMO, an intruder took a HUGE risk attacking JB so shortly after the household went to bed. This has always bothered me; the attack happened so soon after the family went to bed and they STILL did not hear anything; how could an intruder be sure that the family had fallen in deep enough sleep to go and abduct JB from her bedroom?

I don't think that is exact. I believe she was taken and assualted and killed sometime in the night but we don't know when.

 

[Tawny]

Actually, it's been proven when. It was between 11pm and 1 am. No earlier, no later.

 

[wengr]

The Ramsey killer also waited much less time before attacking JB. It is estimated that she was killed between 11pm and 1am; the Ramsey's claim they went to bed I believe by 11 or 11:30pm. IMO, an intruder took a HUGE risk attacking JB so shortly after the household went to bed. This has always bothered me; the attack happened so soon after the family went to bed and they STILL did not hear anything; how could an intruder be sure that the family had fallen in deep enough sleep to go and abduct JB from her bedroom?

Yep, that's a problem, and hence - all the faux forgetfulness about whether JBR walked in the house or was carried, the pineapple, etc.

 

[Tawny]

"...and hence..."

I lol'ed.

 

[ScarlettScarpetta]

I feel like that is a very remote thing to grasp onto to try to make it 'fit' the JBR case. It seems like it was a random break in, or the case of a pervy stalker or something. There is nothing remotely similar to the JBR case except that they went to the same dance studio, which is normal when girls live in the same area in a neighborhood with money. JMO

A girl is assaulted in her home from someone who broke in and was in the house before they got home. It was a stranger to her.

That is not out of the realm of possibility here. It just isn't. IT is a possibility that this person was connected the the JBR case. They can't rule it out. IT means.. Possible. And also would go into the Intruder column.

 

[TroyinTX]

^

Yes, then there is the pineapple. Did the intruder take JB into the kitchen and feed her pineapple without anyone hearing anything?

 

[Tawny]

Was it a stranger or was it someone who knew the Ramseys and had a personal vendetta? Knew them enough to know where the pen goes and how PR writes?

 

[TroyinTX]

And did the intruder just happen wrap JB securely in her favorite blanket, knowing it WAS her favorite blanket?

 

[ScarlettScarpetta]

And did the intruder just happen wrap JB securely in her favorite blanket, knowing it WAS her favorite blanket?

I think they just grabbed it because it was available. I don't think it had an significance to the killer but that is just my thoughts.

 

[TroyinTX]

Along with her favorite pink nightgown that they placed next to her body?

 

[TroyinTX]

And didn't the housekeeper state that she remember the blanket and nightgown being in the dryer?

 

[Tawny]

Where was the W/D? I know there was one outside JBR's room, was the other one/s in the basement?

 

[ScarlettScarpetta]

Along with her favorite pink nightgown that they placed next to her body?

Explain this to me. If you are trying to hide that you committed the crime, Are you going to put all that stuff right there that would point to you?

It makes no sense. They are trying to cover it up, write a note and then leave clues like that?

I don't know why her nightie was there, other than maybe they grabbed it thinking they were taking her out? OR she grabbed it? I don't know.

IT really has no significance to me as far as the crime.

 

[TroyinTX]

Just seems quite coincidental that an intruder would grab both a nightgown and blanket that just happened to be JB's favorite.

 

[Tawny]

Ok, so. IDI theory.

Person on the fringe of the Ramsey circle that they knew well enough that s/he knew their habits, but not close enough to suspect them in any way.
Entered the house while they weren't home, with no signs of forced entry. Basement window? Had a key? Stole a key?
Waited until s/he assumed the Ramsey's were asleep and took JBR out of her bed, fed her some pineapple (forcefully? willingly? Willingly suggests she knew the person and wasn't alarmed that they were there, which contradicts a fringe acquaintance).
In no particular order: Took her to basement, assaulted her leaving no DNA on her person, bashed her in the head, strangled her, wrapped her in a clean blanket, left her on the floor.
Went upstairs, wiped down the murder weapon and left it in plain view on the counter (so they'd know what killed her? didn't think about it? didn't care?)
But cared enough about the pen they wrote the RN with to wipe it down and put it back where it goes (which also suggests someone closer than fringe acquaintance).
It would have taken quite a while to write a note so perfectly matched, so did they sit at the counter, casually unconcerned that a parent or child would come downstairs for some reason? Curious about that.
Left the note on the stairs and exited the premises the same way they came in, leaving no footprints in the snow outside the basement.

Am I missing anything?

 

[ScarlettScarpetta]

Just seems quite coincidental that an intruder would grab both a nightgown and blanket that just happened to be JB's favorite.

Not if they were out. Maybe left on her bed, Or a chair, and when he grabbed the blanket because he was taking her out he grabbed the nightie too.

I just don't think it means anything. I think when a crime is occurring like this there are planned things and there are things that just happen along the way. I see this just as an incidental.

 

[ScarlettScarpetta]

Ok, so. IDI theory.

Person on the fringe of the Ramsey circle that they knew well enough that s/he knew their habits, but not close enough to suspect them in any way.
Entered the house while they weren't home, with no signs of forced entry. Basement window? Had a key? Stole a key?
Waited until s/he assumed the Ramsey's were asleep and took JBR out of her bed, fed her some pineapple (forcefully? willingly? Willingly suggests she knew the person and wasn't alarmed that they were there, which contradicts a fringe acquaintance).
In no particular order: Took her to basement, assaulted her leaving no DNA on her person, bashed her in the head, strangled her, wrapped her in a clean blanket, left her on the floor.
Went upstairs, wiped down the murder weapon and left it in plain view on the counter (so they'd know what killed her? didn't think about it? didn't care?)
But cared enough about the pen they wrote the RN with to wipe it down and put it back where it goes (which also suggests someone closer than fringe acquaintance).
It would have taken quite a while to write a note so perfectly matched, so did they sit at the counter, casually unconcerned that a parent or child would come downstairs for some reason? Curious about that.
Left the note on the stairs and exited the premises the same way they came in, leaving no footprints in the snow outside the basement.

Am I missing anything?

The other intruder did not leave signs he was there either. There are a lot of people who break in and don't leave a calling card of doing it.

I don't think they wiped the pen down, I think it could have been rubbed clean by the gloves or they had to take them off to write the note and then wiped it because of that.

There was not enough snow so that there would have been footprints. They could have easily gotten around the snow without leaving tracks.

Im not trying to change your mind. I am not trying to change anyone's mind. I believe it was an intruder. I believe that they were in that house when the R's got home and were hiding and waiting for their chance and then they took it.

 

[Tawny]

He had to have wiped the pen clean, otherwise, there would have been some kind of fingerprints from someone else who has written with it or touched it. The LACK of fingerprints on a pen that belongs to the Ramseys is super weird. I would expect every pen in my drawer to have at least partials of my fingerprints on them.

 

[CherCher]

I did not say that.. I believe it was made to look like her handwriting in some way.. And that is why it is not a match. I just see too much that gives more credence to her not writing it than does. JMO

So, the murderer is someone who was trying to adopt PR's handwriting style but was clever enough to NOT match it exactly (just like PR would have done had she been the actual writer of the RN) but just enough to cast blame on Patsy? This is your belief? And what is the "too much" that gives more credence than handwriting experts opinions?

 

[ScarlettScarpetta]

So, the murderer is someone who was trying to adopt PR's handwriting style but was clever enough to NOT match it exactly (just like PR would have done had she been the actual writer of the RN) but just enough to cast blame on Patsy? This is your belief? And what is the "too much" that gives more credence than handwriting experts opinions?

I don't believe the note casts blame on Patsy. That is just my opinion but I have been looking at it for a while. There are all different experts and they all say something different. If it was so easy to call her the author I think there would be real proof. Not possibilities. I don't believe she wrote that note.