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[ScarlettScarpetta]

The only thing I find that women digest faster than males is alcohol. I see nothing about food.

So proof of that please.

 

[ScarlettScarpetta]

"Food takes twice as long to pass through the digestive system of women compared with that of men."

https://gendermed.org/about-gsm/just-the-facts/

 

[wonderllama]

This is me thinking out loud, but given how much proof is requested in this thread, I wonder how many of you believe in God.

Don't need answers, just giving you food for thought (not pineapple).

 

[wonderllama]

"Food takes twice as long to pass through the digestive system of women compared with that of men."

https://gendermed.org/about-gsm/just-the-facts/

You're right, the site I looked at was talking about alcohol.
Apologies on that one.

 

[ScarlettScarpetta]

Facts are facts.. If you can not prove it then it is not a fact. We are not talking about God we are talking about making someone a suspect in a murder. To do that there should be rock solid proof. Beyond a reasonable doubt proof. Not maybe and could be's and might have beens.

 

[wonderllama]

I still have no proof it was definitely pineapple. I don't know that the whites had nothing with pineapple in it. I see no proof of that yet. Still looking.

I see nothing in what you said that makes me still not have the questions I have.

I need proof. I don't see proof.

I think the experts would say it was more than likely pineapple and that the onus of proof would then be on you to tell them why they are incorrect in that conclusion.

 

[wonderllama]

Facts are facts.. If you can not prove it then it is not a fact. We are not talking about God we are talking about making someone a suspect in a murder. To do that there should be rock solid proof. Beyond a reasonable doubt proof. Not maybe and could be's and might have beens.

Yes. Facts are indeed facts - irrespective of the topic I'm afraid.

 

[ScarlettScarpetta]

You're right, the site I looked at was talking about alcohol.
Apologies on that one.

No problem.

I don't have any agenda in this case. It has taken me months to separate fact from fiction. To figure out was what rumor and what was actual documented facts.

I am not looking to prove anything. I am looking for where the proof is taking me.

 

[wonderllama]

I'm not sure the majority of us have any agenda other than justice for the victim.

I'm not even in the same country, I really don't have any agenda.

But I am prepared to believe experts - even when what they present in their results isn't 100%, but is most likely.

 

[ScarlettScarpetta]

I'm not sure the majority of us have any agenda other than justice for the victim.

I'm not even in the same country, I really don't have any agenda.

But I am prepared to believe experts - even when what they present in their results isn't 100%, but is most likely.

Experts still can have their own agenda and can be wrong. They are just humans. I don't have an issue taking in what they say, But I need proof behind it, Not just their interpretations. Especially if they are funded.

 

[Landonsmom02]

He didn't say it was definitely pineapple, he said it might be though.
But he also didn't mention that it MIGHT have been anything else, just pineapple.

You seem set on the time line.
They left the White's at 8:30 and dropped by some other places on the way etc. They said they didn't stay, just just dropped off some gifts.
http://www.acandyrose.com/s-jonbenet-timeline.htm

8:30pm.

We have established that pineapple takes, what did it say, 2.25hrs to leave the stomach (of an adult)? Which this had, it was in the small intestine, but still in a condition that allowed the ME to say it might be pineapple.

Not warm liquid goo phase, still identifiable enough for an expert to suggest it might have been pineapple. Claimed to have been eaten an hour and a half - two hours before she died.

http://jonbenetramsey.pbworks.com/w/page/11682517/The Pineapple Evidence


So let's regroup.
It looks like pineapple.
It hasn't digested to the extent that an expert can suggest it is pineapple.
The digestion from the experts suggest it was eaten about 2 hours before she died.
No pineapple was served at the White's place.
There was pineapple, not in the fridge of the Ramsey's house, but on the actual BREAKFAST Table...with a spoon in it.

Keeping in mind, JonBenet was female, females digest faster than males.
JonBenet was 6, there is less distance for food to travel.

Nothing? Anyone?

Oh might I add that pineapple digest faster, so if she had eaten it at the whites it would be fecal matter like the crab.

 

[Mama2JML]

I still have no proof it was definitely pineapple. I don't know that the whites had nothing with pineapple in it. I see no proof of that yet. Still looking.

I see nothing in what you said that makes me still not have the questions I have.

I need proof. I don't see proof.

FW Jr. couldn't remember if pineapple was served.

 

[ScarlettScarpetta]

FW Jr. couldn't remember if pineapple was served.

And maybe they did not serve dishes of pineapple but what if it was in a fruit cake, A cake, a candy, Something.

 

[ScarlettScarpetta]

Oh might I add that pineapple digest faster, so if she had eaten it at the whites it would be fecal matter like the crab.

Not necessarily. When did she eat the crab? They left the whites at 8:30.. The crab was most likely served for dinner.. If she was eating dessert after, It would not be odd for her to have something later before leaving and so it would not be as far gone as the crab.

 

[ozazure]

Good luck with proving pineapple wasn't served at a party in 1996. You can't prove a negative. I can't prove I didn't serve chicken kiev last night. I do however have a picture of pineapple on the Ramsey table!

 

[Tawny]

So, what was in the bowl?

 

[ScarlettScarpetta]

Good luck with proving pineapple wasn't served at a party in 1996. You can't prove a negative. I can't prove I didn't serve chicken kiev last night. I do however have a picture of pineapple on the Ramsey table!

Sorry you lost me. There was either pineapple there in some form or there wasn't.

We still have not established that that was exactly what was in her intestines.

 

[Mama2JML]

This relates to the pineapple, and I've always thought this exchange was strange... If IDI, why would the perp bring, & feed to JonBenet, pineapple?

Patsy Ramsey; 1998 LE Interview:

"24 TOM HANEY: We finished those. And the
25 next photo has no number on it, but that bag
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1 that we had been talking about earlier in
2 JonBenet's room there were some things in it and
3 if you can just take a peek at that photo and
4 the next one. And the second one has JB2 on it,
5 this one has JB and nothing else.
6 PATSY RAMSEY: That looks like a little
7 Tupperware container.
8 TOM HANEY: Okay.
9 PATSY RAMSEY: But I can't, I can't tell
10 what's in it, it's too fuzzy. I don't know you
11 all or something.
12 TOM HANEY: Okay. Do you recall the bag --
13 and we looked at it earlier from different
14 angles --
15 PATSY RAMSEY: A little gift bag or
16 something.
17 TOM HANEY: It appears to be.
18 (Video went out, audio still on.)
19 PATSY RAMSEY: Some of it -- I don't know.
20 Could you give me a hint or --
21 TOM HANEY: Well, not exactly. You know,
22 you have --
23 PATSY RAMSEY: Is it Sid, is it?
24 TOM HANEY: Well, and that we don't, we
25 don't really know, or I don't know.
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1 PATSY RAMSEY: Well, she had some little
2 bead things, little like plastic little beads
3 that you iron together that were, you know,
4 teeny little different colors, yellow, blue,
5 red, whatever, and that might be that
6 (inaudible).
7 TOM HANEY: Were they mixed together, or
8 were they separated according to colors?
9 PATSY RAMSEY: Separate, I believe, I
10 believe, I can't remember. She got it from
11 Christmas I think, a little bead holder.
12 TRIP DeMUTH: Do you recall who, who she
13 got that from?
14 PATSY RAMSEY: I don't know, you know, it
15 was under the tree.
16 TRIP DeMUTH: Okay. Was it from you or --
17 PATSY RAMSEY: Or a group scene, I don't
18 know.
19 TRIP DeMUTH: Okay. Did you purchase it?
20 PATSY RAMSEY: Yes.
21 TRIP DeMUTH: Okay.
22 PATSY RAMSEY: The little bead, beaded
23 stuff, she used to make them with that little
24 Meagan (inaudible), they have the -- it's on one
25 of these pictures. So you put them on a little
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1 design board and then you --
2 TRIP DeMUTH: Uh-huh (yes).
3 PATSY RAMSEY: And then you put a wet paper
4 on it --
5 TRIP DeMUTH: Uh-huh (yes).
6 PATSY RAMSEY: -- and iron them together.
7 That could be what that is. I can't tell. I
8 can't tell. You could be right. I can't tell.
9 TOM HANEY: Okay. And again, I think it's
10 probably a little bigger than that, especially
11 if you look at the JB2 photo, but again it's
12 kind of hard to say because it's not really good
13 focus.
14 PATSY RAMSEY: Right.
15 TOM HANEY: Let me show you, I want to make
16 sure you know which bag that we're talking
17 about. It's picture 55. I kind of lost my
18 place.
19 PATSY RAMSEY: It's a --
20 TOM HANEY: Yeah.
21 PATSY RAMSEY: Yeah.
22 TOM HANEY: You see that?
23 PATSY RAMSEY: Uh-huh (yes).
24 TOM HANEY: 55.
25 PATSY RAMSEY: Right.
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1 TOM HANEY: It's a little gift --
2 PATSY RAMSEY: Gift bag, right.
3 TOM HANEY: Okay. And you don't have any
4 specific recollection about that?
5 PATSY RAMSEY: No.
6 TOM HANEY: The reason I'm asking you about
7 it is because you had said you had been packing
8 things for Charlievoix (phonetic).
9 PATSY RAMSEY: Right.
10 TOM HANEY: Is that one of the bags you had
11 been packing for Charlevoix?
12 PATSY RAMSEY: I don't, I don't remember,
13 but I was thinking backpacking for Charlevoix,
14 like the Christmas presents for Melinda and John
15 Stuart.
16 TOM HANEY: So that's not?
17 PATSY RAMSEY: Shopping bags for gifts for
18 them.
19 TOM HANEY: Okay.
20 PATSY RAMSEY: I don't know, JonBenet may
21 have picked that up to take it with her, of
22 course, I just don't remember.
23 TOM HANEY: Had you packed any perishables
24 in that pack? We don't know what it is --
25 PATSY RAMSEY: No, I don't know, I don't
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1 know, I, I don't remember that bag and I can't
2 tell what's in that picture.
3 TOM HANEY: Okay.
4 PATSY RAMSEY: So.
5 TOM HANEY: Well, I just wanted to check --
6 PATSY RAMSEY: Right.
7 TOM HANEY: -- and make sure that's not
8 part of what you were taking to Charlevoix.
9 PATSY RAMSEY: I don't recall that it was.
10 TRIP DeMUTH: Okay. Something that
11 occurred to me is that you might have packed
12 snacks for --
13 PATSY RAMSEY: Yeah, right.
14 TRIP DeMUTH: And what I hear you saying is
15 that that's not what this is.
16 PATSY RAMSEY: No, I don't know, it doesn't
17 look like it. If I packed snacks, I would have
18 been downstairs in the kitchen somewhere --
19 TRIP DeMUTH: Okay.
20 PATSY RAMSEY: -- or, you know, but --
21 TRIP DeMUTH: Would perishable items be in
22 a Tupperware container up in JonBenet's room,
23 perishable food items?
24 PATSY RAMSEY: Not likely.
25 TRIP DeMUTH: Okay.
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1 PATSY RAMSEY: That's what makes me think
2 it would be more likely to be the beads or
3 something.
4 TRIP DeMUTH: Okay. So do you think that
5 that's pineapple in there?
6 PATSY RAMSEY: I don't know. It could be.
7 TRIP DeMUTH: Would you think that that
8 would be likely, or unlikely up in her room?
9 PATSY RAMSEY: I think that would be very
10 unlikely.
11 TRIP DeMUTH: Very unlikely?
12 PATSY RAMSEY: To be pineapple.
13 TRIP DeMUTH: Okay. You don't recall
14 putting pineapple in a Tupperware container and
15 putting it up in her room?
16 PATSY RAMSEY: No, I don't.
17 TRIP DeMUTH: And you would be the person
18 to do that if it were done, right?
19 PATSY RAMSEY: Most likely, yes."

 

[Mama2JML]

Not necessarily. When did she eat the crab? They left the whites at 8:30.. The crab was most likely served for dinner.. If she was eating dessert after, It would not be odd for her to have something later before leaving and so it would not be as far gone as the crab.

I believe Priscilla made a plate of food (crab meat) for JonBenet to take home. It's never been real clear, to me, whether she are @ the White's or not...

 

[Venom]

Sorry you lost me. There was either pineapple there in some form or there wasn't.

We still have not established that that was exactly what was in her intestines.

There was a bowl of pineapple found in the dining room.
Here is a picture of the bowl, from a candy rose.

Also from a candy rose:

PMPT Page 433

"The police had to piece together the findings of the various pathologists, who had explained to them that when food is swallowed, it goes first to the stomach, then passes to the duodenum, and from there to the lower small intestine. Eventually, the digested food passes into the large bowel, from which it exits. Food found in the stomach and intestines can sometimes be used to estimate the time of ingestion and to narrow the time of death.

In the Ramseys' dining room, just steps away from the kitchen, the police had found a bowl with fresh pineapple in it. Meyer noted in his report that the pineapple in JonBenét's small intestine was in near-perfect condition -- it had sharp edges and looked as if it had been recently eaten and poorly chewed.

Based on the condition of the pineapple in her intestine, the experts estimated that JonBenét had eaten it an hour and a half or two hours before she died, most likely after the family returned home that night. If she had eaten the pineapple after 10:30 P.M., that made the approximate time of death not earlier than midnight."

The coroner (Meyer) had in his report that the pineapple was in near perfect condition.