Intruder theories only - RDI theories not allowed! *READ FIRST POST* #2

[elannia]

IT didn't because the R's didn't kill her. No one would do that. They would not accidentally kill her and then not only stage a sexual assault and leave a ransom note and leave the body in the basement.
If parents kill the children and try to get away with it, The get rid of the body.

In all honesty, WE do not know who in fact killed her. I lean towards RDI(yes this is the IDI thread, but what I am saying that if she WAS bashed by a R, why did it turn into murder? And as a RDI, an intruder probably would have taken the body, but she WAS stashed away in the basement, obviously so she wouldnt be found right away. Maybe this "intruder" put her there, still hoping for the ransom money, and they figured she would be found(dead) BUT they would still have gotten their money. But then again, the kidnappers never called, obviously because the R' s went against the rules in the RN.

 

[ScarlettScarpetta]

In all honesty, WE do not know who in fact killed her. I lean towards RDI(yes this is the IDI thread, but what I am saying that if she WAS bashed by a R, why did it turn into murder? And as a RDI, an intruder probably would have taken the body, but she WAS stashed away in the basement, obviously so she wouldnt be found right away. Maybe this "intruder" put her there, still hoping for the ransom money, and they figured she would be found(dead) BUT they would still have gotten their money. But then again, the kidnappers never called, obviously because the R' s went against the rules in the RN.

They wouldn't. And didn't. No an intruder would not have to take the body. Most people who are murdered by strangers are just left where they are killed. It is people who have a personal relationship that move them.

 

[tovarisch]

I`m lost in translation, from English to English. Help needed. I mean Chief J. Kolar`s interview.

On the question if the strangulation was a part of staging, (as major RDI theory based on), Chief said that he does not believe that it was part of the staging, but it was part of the motivation in the assault.

Just recently I offered my opinion that belief of some people in strangulation as a cover up of head blow was the weakest point in RDI major theory, here comes Kolar`s interview with this mysterious statement out of the Chief investigator`s own mouth.


Then he said he believes that it were not the different people who delivered the head blow and who strangled her, but they were one in the same person.
How RDI have digested this statement? They keep silent on the matter. Where in this statement you, RDI, see role of little boy Burke ??

Further more, Chief stated that cover up began after the family left the house after body was discovered? What about ransom ? It was not cover up in his opinion ?

As I said--- help needed.

 

[ScarlettScarpetta]

I`m lost in translation, from English to English. Help needed. I mean Chief J. Kolar`s interview.

On the question if the strangulation was a part of staging, (as major RDI theory based on), Chief said that he does not believe that it was part of the staging, but it was part of the motivation in the assault.

Just recently I offered my opinion that belief of some people in strangulation as a cover up of head blow was the weakest point in RDI major theory, here comes Kolar`s interview with this mysterious statement out of the Chief investigator`s own mouth.


Then he said he believes that it were not the different people who delivered the head blow and who strangled her, but they were one in the same person.
How RDI have digested this statement? They keep silent on the matter. Where in this statement you, RDI, see role of little boy Burke ??

Further more, Chief stated that cover up began after the family left the house after body was discovered? What about ransom ? It was not cover up in his opinion ?

As I said--- help needed.

The problem with RDI is there are so many theories and they can not all be true. They contradict each other and bang into each other on details.
It is one big mire of sometimes way out there theories that seem to run nowhere.

I don't even bother anymore. I just follow the evidence and see where that leads me.

 

[msvick66]

Did anyone catch that show on ID the other day on Usual Suspects? It was about a 9 year old girl who was killed. They tried to blame the Dad and said he was sexually molesting her. Tried to say he murdered her because the little girl and him argued over her wanting to buy a cat. Years later it turns out it was a male friend of the family, who had been molesting her for awhile. The guy thought he was going to marry her some day. It took the father years (and the case being solved) to finally realize that this man is the one who killed her. When they questioned the man, he tried to say that the father had told him he had done it and blame it on him. The police had cleared the man at this point. He had details of the murder, which he falsely attributed to what the father told him he did.

Interesting.

 

[msvick66]

I found another podcast on true crime if anyone's interested. It's called "Generation Why" and it's on Stitcher and probably itunes or others. There is one where James Kolar is interviewed. I haven't listened to that one and probably won't, since I reject RDI theories. But some may want to check it out.

It has other cases such as Lizzie Borden, LISK (Robert Kolker Lost Girls), 2 Darlie Routier shows, Maria Ridulph, Madeleine McCann, David Hamm, Stephen Trescott (fascinating falsely accused and convicted of a child murder in Canada), Zodiac, Ted Bundy, Casey Anthony, Jack the Ripper and many others. It's pretty good so far, but I've only listened to a couple of them since I just discovered it.

 

[icedtea4me]

The problem with RDI is there are so many theories and they can not all be true. They contradict each other and bang into each other on details.
It is one big mire of sometimes way out there theories that seem to run nowhere.

I don't even bother anymore. I just follow the evidence and see where that leads me.

It's a good thing all IDI's have the same suspect and the same theory, isn't it?

 

[msvick66]

I don't go to RDI threads and criticize their theories though. I don't go there trying to pick apart why they're wrong with some compulsion to convince them to accept my opinion on the matter has to be right. If some IDI do that, they shouldn't, as it's pointless. It's disrespectful and rude, and it goes against the rules of this thread for people who are obviously RDI to be posting here. The rule says no RDI posters are to be posting here...period. Again, if an RDI person is so confident they are right, why is it they cannot just let others be wrong (in their eyes that is). I have no problem allowing others to see it their way, despite my rejecting their ideas. I don't understand where that comes from, truly I don't.

 

[tovarisch]

I don't go to RDI threads and criticize their theories though. I don't go there trying to pick apart why they're wrong with some compulsion to convince them to accept my opinion on the matter has to be right. If some IDI do that, they shouldn't, as it's pointless. It's disrespectful and rude, and it goes against the rules of this thread for people who are obviously RDI to be posting here. The rule says no RDI posters are to be posting here...period. Again, if an RDI person is so confident they are right, why is it they cannot just let others be wrong (in their eyes that is). I have no problem allowing others to see it their way, despite my rejecting their ideas. I don't understand where that comes from, truly I don't.

My personal opinion it`s OK to go to any thread and post. The true usually comes out of good arguments, it`s the court system. The bad thing when it`s become rude or personal. On RDI people sometimes become very personal towards Ramseys , showing personal feelings which is beyond acceptable. We don`t care about someone`s personal feelings toward Patsy or John or Burke. We want good argument. I`m turned off when they attack Ramseys on personal human level, bc in my eyes they been victimized enough by the crowd.

 

[tovarisch]

I want to add to my previous post, that Chief Kolar himself believes that Ramseys were doting and loving parents. Though I need an interpreter to understand mysterious Chief`s statements , RDIs should at least behave like their respectful authority Kolar does.

 

[Landonsmom02]

Why leave the body? When parents kill their kids.. Other than the refrigerator horror in the last few days, and they are trying to get away with it, They don't leave the body in the house and call the police over. It is just ludicrous.

Have you ever heard of Darlie Routier?? She did this.

 

[Anti-K]

Have you ever heard of Darlie Routier?? She did this.

Ah, but Routier didn’t report a kidnapping. Big difference
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AK

 

[Landonsmom02]

Ah, but Routier didn’t report a kidnapping. Big difference
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AK

Ah, I know. She said an intruder "broke in" and did it...... things that make you go hmmm!
My point I was making is that yes, sometimes when parents kill they don't get rid of the childs body.

 

[Tawny]

Ah, but Routier didn’t report a kidnapping. Big difference
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AK

LOL Nope. BIG similarity = Intruder Did It.

 

[Anti-K]

LOL Nope. BIG similarity = Intruder Did It.

Routier claimed to see her intruder, and a screen was cut to provide intruder entry. And, she never claimed that her children were kidnapped, she claimed that they were in the home.

The Ramseys claimed that a kidnapper removed their child from the home, and said that all the doors were locked; they heard nothing, they saw nothing.

Big difference.

Here’s how big the difference is: the FBI claims to have never seen such a thing before – ransom note and body in house. So, not only do kidnappers not do this sort of thing, but neither do parents (or, anyone). Kidnappers removed their victims, and parents (everyone) remove their victims before reporting them kidnapped.
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AK

 

[CorallaroC]

Hi ya'll - hope it's ok to post this here (IDI thread) - it's regarding the new book recently released April 6, 2015 - title: Little Girl Blu: The JpnBenet Inside Circle Theory, authored by "Sweetie Bee". Right now I can't even access the full title to the book.... it appears to have been removed from the amazon website......

Is it just a "glitch" or has the book been quickly removed from publication? If so, why?.
Right now when I go to the amazon page it says "We're sorry. The Web address you entered is not a functioning page on our site"

Interesting... anyone have more info what this is all about?

 

[BoldBear]

IDI or RDI. I like the opposing camps because I want to learn both theories. It is, however, important to be respectful and promote the argument of the thread.

I've noticed the details about the knots--they're basic knots...nothing fancy. There's also the suggestion that there might be brown fibers from work gloves. If I was using a thin nylon cord and I was wearing gloves, it would be hard to get a full grip and to tie knots. The use of a stick for leverage wouldn't be my first idea, but it would be my last. The strangling would be something desperate...something unpleasant that I'd rush, wrapping the cord around the handle as quickly as possible to get the job done.

I have an image in my mind of JBR being at that stage of death. The strangling would be to stop that, to quiet what already seems inevitable. After all, her core temperature has dropped. Her breathing is erratic. Her pupils are dilated. She's been throwing up. And she's slips into convulsions...please just no more convulsions. I can't take it anymore. I need to quiet her, to put her at rest. I need to leave her frozen and get out and pretend this never happened...pretend it never happened tonight, just to get away from what went horribly, horribly wrong. Just another few minutes and I'll be up the stairs and out the door. And then what if I left something behind? What then? What's the next move? What do I do next???

 

[tovarisch]

Just a thought, something I believe never has been discussed.

JB`s legs were bound together with the nylon cord. We all know that sexual violation with an object took place at or after her death. I personally do not know how it could be AT the time of death as JB met her death lying face down on the carpet next to WC. But right AFTER the death, yes, violation of her virginity could have been taken place.

After the violation the killer bounded her legs tightly.

I have my own view to why killer did it, but I want opinions of others. My view-- killer did not want anyone to know about his big secret of perverted act, he tried to hide the act. After the violating the dead body, he pulled her pants back and he tied the dead child legs together to take attention off. Killing is one thing, being such a pervert is another.

 

[icedtea4me]

Just a thought, something I believe never has been discussed.

JB`s legs were bound together with the nylon cord. We all know that sexual violation with an object took place at or after her death. I personally do not know how it could be AT the time of death as JB met her death lying face down on the carpet next to WC. But right AFTER the death, yes, violation of her virginity could have been taken place.

After the violation the killer bounded her legs tightly.

I have my own view to why killer did it, but I want opinions of others. My view-- killer did not want anyone to know about his big secret of perverted act, he tried to hide the act. After the violating the dead body, he pulled her pants back and he tied the dead child legs together to take attention off. Killing is one thing, being such a pervert is another.

It has never been discussed because it never happened.

 

[Anti-K]

Just a thought, something I believe never has been discussed.

JB`s legs were bound together with the nylon cord. We all know that sexual violation with an object took place at or after her death. I personally do not know how it could be AT the time of death as JB met her death lying face down on the carpet next to WC. But right AFTER the death, yes, violation of her virginity could have been taken place.

After the violation the killer bounded her legs tightly.

I have my own view to why killer did it, but I want opinions of others. My view-- killer did not want anyone to know about his big secret of perverted act, he tried to hide the act. After the violating the dead body, he pulled her pants back and he tied the dead child legs together to take attention off. Killing is one thing, being such a pervert is another.

You’re mistaken. Her legs were not bound.
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AK