Intruder theories only - RDI theories not allowed! *READ FIRST POST* #2

[THE BUNK]

That doesn't mean anything. Like I said before, You may not be aware of people that would have something against you. When you are wealthy and powerful there is at least a few people that have something against you.

Some people just hate people with money.

But the intruder didn't know he was going to do this crime in during his complete relationship with Ramseys. There is no reason for him to yell or slander at Jon or whisper things behind his back. There is also no reason for him to file lawsuits or vandalize his property before he did the crime on the 26th.

This person new John Ramsey and the Ramsey home. He was an aquaintance of them before and after the crime. So amazingly during this tenure he never once raised any red flags regarding hatred or pedophiliac nature.

And we are not just talking about John Ramsey either. None of their friends noticed or brought anyone up to suspicion. This intruder never voiced his feelings to friends of the Ramsey's behind his back or in private.

 

[ScarlettScarpetta]

Some sexual predators like to kill their victims, other do it out of fear, others would never do it. I don't see that as determinative in any way, but I don't get the head bash regardless. I can't think of many children killed via a head bash by sexual predators. Almost always strangling.

To me, that is a reaction of anger. Something not going the way they planned and striking out. There have been kids that fought back and have been beaten viciously. I have always considered that she awoke and made some kind of noise and she was hit to shut her up fast and keep her shut up. To me it also could be a reason that they never took her out of the house.

I think the headbash could have changed a lot that night.

 

[ScarlettScarpetta]

But the intruder didn't know he was going to do this crime in during his complete relationship with Ramseys. There is no reason for him to yell or slander at Jon or whisper things behind his back. There is also no reason for him to file lawsuits or vandalize his property before he did the crime on the 26th.

This person new John Ramsey and the Ramsey home. He was an aquaintance of them before and after the crime. So amazingly during this tenure he never once raised any red flags regarding hatred or pedophiliac nature.

And we are not just talking about John Ramsey either. None of their friends noticed or brought anyone up to suspicion. This intruder never voiced his feelings to friends of the Ramsey's behind his back or in private.

Im sorry, How could you know what the intruder did or did not know?
There are husbands like BTK who have a perfectly normal home life and on the side are killers. crazy killers. We have no idea what any person is ever thinking or how well we really know them.

I don't presume to go into people's heads. I stick to what I have in facts and evidence. I don't make up scenarios and analyze unknown people.

 

[THE BUNK]

Some sexual predators like to kill their victims, other do it out of fear, others would never do it. I don't see that as determinative in any way, but I don't get the head bash regardless. I can't think of many children killed via a head bash by sexual predators. Almost always strangling.

Not many pedophile victims are like Jonbenet. It's the equivalent to kidnapping Brad Pitt or Kate Upton.

You also have to consider the value that nude pics and movies of jonbenet would have to the pedophile market. Odd that he would miss such an easy opportunity.

 

[THE BUNK]

Im sorry, How could you know what the intruder did or did not know?
There are husbands like BTK who have a perfectly normal home life and on the side are killers. crazy killers. We have no idea what any person is ever thinking or how well we really know them.

I don't presume to go into people's heads. I stick to what I have in facts and evidence. I don't make up scenarios and analyze unknown people.

Of course we can get inside the killer's head. He left a 3 page ransom not of his very thoughts. Most criminal cases don't have that.

Analyze the ransom note, Scarlett. It tells you everything you need to know about the killer(s). It was the object that the intruder(s) felt was the most important thing to be done that night. That's why they made such an effort to make sure Patsy read it first as soon as she woke up.

 

[ScarlettScarpetta]

Not many pedophile victims are like Jonbenet. It's the equivalent to kidnapping Brad Pitt or Kate Upton.

You also have to consider the value that nude pics and movies of jonbenet would have to the pedophile market. Odd that he would miss such an easy opportunity.

WHAT???
There are a lot of little girls who have been killed by pedophiles.

 

[THE BUNK]

There are husbands like BTK who have a perfectly normal home life and on the side are killers

No serial killer would write that ransom note.

This isn't a serial killer's crime in your scenario. This is a person who hated the Ramsey. That hatred has to spawn from something serious. This guy killed a person's daughter rather than kill said person. This guy had to have anger that was boiling over.

This would be a crime of passion in your scenario....not a serial murder that could have happened to anyone.

BTW, most serial killers don't get caught because they don't know their victims. If you met a serial killer you wouldn't know he;s one because most likely YOUR not a person he wants kill!!!! He's nice and pleasant to you because he has no beef with you.

 

[THE BUNK]

WHAT???
There are a lot of little girls who have been killed by pedophiles.

Really there were a lot of pint sized blonde beauty queens who got killed in the house they were abducted from? I had no idea.

 

[ScarlettScarpetta]

No serial killer would write that ransom note.

This isn't a serial killer's crime in your scenario. This is a person who hated the Ramsey. That hatred has to spawn from something serious. This guy killed a person's daughter rather than kill said person. This guy had to have anger that was boiling over.

This would be a crime of passion in your scenario....not a serial murder that could have happened to anyone.

BTW, most serial killers don't get caught because they don't know their victims. If you met a serial killer you wouldn't know he;s one because most likely YOUR not a person he wants kill!!!! He's nice and pleasant to you because he has no beef with you.

Okay, Let me say this better. I am not saying this person was a serial killer although who knows if the killed anyone before or after, we don't.

My point was that people can be one person on the outside and one person on the inside. That people can have deep crazy hatred or bad feelings without anyone else knowing about it that was in their every day life.

 

[THE BUNK]

Not necessarily. They could speak and be identified, Smell a certain way and be identified, have markings that identify them.

There is nothing to argue about there. Children are killed by pedophiles. I have no idea of the statistics but a search of the forum will reveal proof of children that were killed by pedophiles.

Smell? Voice? What is jonbenet, Wolverine or something?

This is a 6 year old girl we are talking about. She's still talking about Santa Claus visiting her.


You may want to add that most pedophilia is committed by family members. In those cases there isn't murder because the family member doesn't risk exposure. The reason why murders of children exist amongst non-relatives is due to risk of exposure. You can't be a serial pedophile if your victims are all living. Eventually you will get caught.

 

[THE BUNK]

Okay, Let me say this better. I am not saying this person was a serial killer although who knows if the killed anyone before or after, we don't.

My point was that people can be one person on the outside and one person on the inside. That people can have deep crazy hatred or bad feelings without anyone else knowing about it that was in their every day life.

By that logic then Patsy Ramsey could be one person on the outside and one person on the inside. John Ramsey could be a person with a deep crazy hatred and bad feelings that he has kept from everyone without their knowing in their every day life.

 

[ScarlettScarpetta]

By that logic then Patsy Ramsey could be one person on the outside and one person on the inside. John Ramsey could be a person with a deep crazy hatred and bad feelings that he has kept from everyone without their knowing in their every day life.

We are talking about Intruders in this thread. All My comments go to that subject alone. There are other threads to discuss P and J R.

 

[Mama2JML]

Of course we can get inside the killer's head. He left a 3 page ransom not of his very thoughts. Most criminal cases don't have that.

Analyze the ransom note, Scarlett. It tells you everything you need to know about the killer(s). It was the object that the intruder(s) felt was the most important thing to be done that night. That's why they made such an effort to make sure Patsy read it first as soon as she woke up.

Who is/are your suspect(s)?

 

[Mama2JML]

Smell? Voice? What is jonbenet, Wolverine or something?

This is a 6 year old girl we are talking about. She's still talking about Santa Claus visiting her.


You may want to add that most pedophilia is committed by family members. In those cases there isn't murder because the family member doesn't risk exposure. The reason why murders of children exist amongst non-relatives is due to risk of exposure. You can't be a serial pedophile if your victims are all living. Eventually you will get caught.

BBM
Before researching the matter, I was under the same impression. Statistics, however, do not support this common assumption. Studies indicate ~35% of CSA perpetrators are related to their victim(s). According to RAINN.org & parentsformeganslaw.org:

"93% of juvenile sexual assault victims know their attacker.

-34.2% of attackers were family members.
-58.7% were acquaintances.
-Only 7% of the perpetrators were strangers to the victim."​

 

[MyBelle]

Smell? Voice? What is jonbenet, Wolverine or something?

This is a 6 year old girl we are talking about. She's still talking about Santa Claus visiting her.


You may want to add that most pedophilia is committed by family members. In those cases there isn't murder because the family member doesn't risk exposure. The reason why murders of children exist amongst non-relatives is due to risk of exposure. You can't be a serial pedophile if your victims are all living. Eventually you will get caught.

Statistics are really useless in cases such as this one. The pedophile who assaulted JonBenet has not been caught whether it was a stranger/intruder or family member. Secrets can be kept forever because of fear, shame, humiliation that the victim was somehow to blame. Look at how long the secret was kept by some priests in the Catholic Church.

 

[Darly314]

One reason comes to mind; the killer knew the Ramseys, but was not someone they would "notice". Thus, the anger, the knowledge of the home & family. And the killer died before LE looked beyond the 'usual suspects'. Now, a needle in a haystack. Maybe young, maybe a pageant follower, maybe resented JR, and.....a non entity to those around the killer.

 

[DeeDee249]

Smell? Voice? What is jonbenet, Wolverine or something?

This is a 6 year old girl we are talking about. She's still talking about Santa Claus visiting her.


You may want to add that most pedophilia is committed by family members. In those cases there isn't murder because the family member doesn't risk exposure. The reason why murders of children exist amongst non-relatives is due to risk of exposure. You can't be a serial pedophile if your victims are all living. Eventually you will get caught.

The person molesting JB (and I believe it had to be a family member to have that kind of access) was very likely a "situational molester" and not a pedophile. Pedophiles are attracted to all children that haven't "aged out" of their range of attraction. A situational molester simply has the opportunity with a particular child and private access. They are not attracted to other children and rarely, if ever, extend they molestation to any other child. The situational molester can also be another (usually older) child in the family as well. In this case the molester usually grows up to have normal sexual attractions and is not attracted to children.

 

[ScarlettScarpetta]

The person molesting JB (and I believe it had to be a family member to have that kind of access) was very likely a "situational molester" and not a pedophile. Pedophiles are attracted to all children that haven't "aged out" of their range of attraction. A situational molester simply has the opportunity with a particular child and private access. They are not attracted to other children and rarely, if ever, extend they molestation to any other child. The situational molester can also be another (usually older) child in the family as well. In this case the molester usually grows up to have normal sexual attractions and is not attracted to children.

HMMM. Interesting but I don't agree. I think it was someone who set their sights on her from the outside.

 

[DeDee]

Of course we can get inside the killer's head. He left a 3 page ransom not of his very thoughts. Most criminal cases don't have that.

Analyze the ransom note, Scarlett. It tells you everything you need to know about the killer(s). It was the object that the intruder(s) felt was the most important thing to be done that night. That's why they made such an effort to make sure Patsy read it first as soon as she woke up.

"Mr. Ramsey: Listen Carefully! We are a group of individuals that represent a small foreign faction. We respect your business, but not the country it serves.

At this time, we have your daughter in our possession. She is safe and unharmed and if you want her to see 1997, you must follow our instructions to the letter.

You will withdraw $118,000 from your account. $100,000 will be in $100 bills and the remaining $18,000 in $20 bills. Make sure that you bring an adequate size attache to the bank.

When you get home, you will put the money in a brown paper bag. I will call you between 8 and 10 a.m. tomorrow to instruct you on delivery. The delivery will be exhausting so I advise you to be rested. If we monitor you getting the money early we might call you early to arrange an earlier delivery of the money and hence and earlier pickup of your daughter.

Any deviation of my instructions will result in the immediate execution of your daughter. You will also be denied her remains for a proper burial. The two gentlemen watching over your daughter do not particularly like you so I advise you not to provoke them.

Speaking to anyone about your situation, such as police or F.B.I. will result in your daughter being beheaded. If we catch you talking to a stray dog, she dies. If you alert bank authorities, she dies. If the money is in way marked or tampered with, she dies. You can try to deceive us, but be warned we are familiar with law enforcement countermeasures and tactics.

You stand a 99% chance of killing your daughter if you try to outsmart us. Follow our instructions and you stand a 100% of getting her back. You and your family are under constant scrutiny, as well as the authorities.

Don't try to grow a brain John. You are not the only fat cat around so don't think that killing will be difficult. Don't underestimate us, John. Use that good, Southern common sense of yours. It's up to you now John! Victory! S.B.T.C."


OMO

 

[ScarlettScarpetta]

"Mr. Ramsey: Listen Carefully! We are a group of individuals that represent a small foreign faction. We respect your business, but not the country it serves.

At this time, we have your daughter in our possession. She is safe and unharmed and if you want her to see 1997, you must follow our instructions to the letter.

You will withdraw $118,000 from your account. $100,000 will be in $100 bills and the remaining $18,000 in $20 bills. Make sure that you bring an adequate size attache to the bank.

When you get home, you will put the money in a brown paper bag. I will call you between 8 and 10 a.m. tomorrow to instruct you on delivery. The delivery will be exhausting so I advise you to be rested. If we monitor you getting the money early we might call you early to arrange an earlier delivery of the money and hence and earlier pickup of your daughter.

Any deviation of my instructions will result in the immediate execution of your daughter. You will also be denied her remains for a proper burial. The two gentlemen watching over your daughter do not particularly like you so I advise you not to provoke them.

Speaking to anyone about your situation, such as police or F.B.I. will result in your daughter being beheaded. If we catch you talking to a stray dog, she dies. If you alert bank authorities, she dies. If the money is in way marked or tampered with, she dies. You can try to deceive us, but be warned we are familiar with law enforcement countermeasures and tactics.

You stand a 99% chance of killing your daughter if you try to outsmart us. Follow our instructions and you stand a 100% of getting her back. You and your family are under constant scrutiny, as well as the authorities.

Don't try to grow a brain John. You are not the only fat cat around so don't think that killing will be difficult. Don't underestimate us, John. Use that good, Southern common sense of yours. It's up to you now John! Victory! S.B.T.C."


OMO

You know what I find interesting? People always say.. It was a THREE PAGE NOTE!! Well I guess it was but all written out, it is really just a big paragraph that could have been on one page.

Thanks for typing it out like that!