Intruder theories only - RDI theories not allowed! *READ FIRST POST* #2

[DeDee]

My replies are in purple.

• He called himself a "fat cat", not a genius. Interestingly "fat cat" is a derogatory term for a rich person.
  IIRC, The "fat cat" term of endearment for JR originated in Atlanta and followed JR to Boulder via Don Paugh. It was DP whose vernacular contained the phrase "Fat Cat(s)".
  <small snip>
• He wasn't brazen enough to kill both children. He chose the weakest person in the family to kill.
  The weakest link was also the family's treasure, by all accounts.
  
• Nor was he brazen enough to use a knife which would have ensured death.
  and would have been so messy.
  
• He wasn't brazen enough to take the body and attempt to cash in on the ransom note.
  bc when the victim died, she was shoved into the tiny room. Fear can be paralyzing
  
• He wasn't brazen enough to go after Jon Ramsey outside of his home. Attempt to kill him in his car outside of work.
  bc the object chosen was JBR
  
• He also wasn't brazen enough to boast this crime later.
  How do we know this? What if someone was told but died before revealing it to anyone else?
  
• He wasn't brazen enough to commit crimes with the same M.O. after.
  Too scared of going to jail. First time lucky. Second time. Might not be so lucky.
  
• He wasn't brazen enough to break into the house. He needed a window that was broken already or a key to enter the house.
  How fortunate for the intruder that 7 different doors and windows were found to be unlocked, iirc.

OMO

 

[MyBelle]

"Mr. Ramsey: Listen Carefully! We are a group of individuals that represent a small foreign faction. We respect your business, but not the country it serves.

At this time, we have your daughter in our possession. She is safe and unharmed and if you want her to see 1997, you must follow our instructions to the letter.

You will withdraw $118,000 from your account. $100,000 will be in $100 bills and the remaining $18,000 in $20 bills. Make sure that you bring an adequate size attache to the bank.

When you get home, you will put the money in a brown paper bag. I will call you between 8 and 10 a.m. tomorrow to instruct you on delivery. The delivery will be exhausting so I advise you to be rested. If we monitor you getting the money early we might call you early to arrange an earlier delivery of the money and hence and earlier pickup of your daughter.

Any deviation of my instructions will result in the immediate execution of your daughter. You will also be denied her remains for a proper burial. The two gentlemen watching over your daughter do not particularly like you so I advise you not to provoke them.

Speaking to anyone about your situation, such as police or F.B.I. will result in your daughter being beheaded. If we catch you talking to a stray dog, she dies. If you alert bank authorities, she dies. If the money is in way marked or tampered with, she dies. You can try to deceive us, but be warned we are familiar with law enforcement countermeasures and tactics.

You stand a 99% chance of killing your daughter if you try to outsmart us. Follow our instructions and you stand a 100% of getting her back. You and your family are under constant scrutiny, as well as the authorities.

Don't try to grow a brain John. You are not the only fat cat around so don't think that killing will be difficult. Don't underestimate us, John. Use that good, Southern common sense of yours. It's up to you now John! Victory! S.B.T.C."


OMO

Thanks for the points of emphasis. The letter is the creation from a twisted mind. The "delivery will be exhausting" seems to be a reference to child birth. That's not something a male is going to identify with.

The more I read that letter, the more I lean toward John not being aware of its existence until Patsy phoned 911. I think the guy might have been sound asleep while she killed JonBenet and wrote the letter. She may as well have said she knew either he or his son was molesting their daughter and as a result of their actions the child is nearly beheaded and 99% dead.

 

[MyBelle]

Of course we can get inside the killer's head. He left a 3 page ransom not of his very thoughts. Most criminal cases don't have that.

Analyze the ransom note, Scarlett. It tells you everything you need to know about the killer(s). It was the object that the intruder(s) felt was the most important thing to be done that night. That's why they made such an effort to make sure Patsy read it first as soon as she woke up.

Unless the killer was Patsy, it would be impossible for anyone else to know she would be the first to wake up.

 

[ScarlettScarpetta]

Thanks for the points of emphasis. The letter is the creation from a twisted mind. The "delivery will be exhausting" seems to be a reference to child birth. That's not something a male is going to identify with.

The more I read that letter, the more I lean toward John not being aware of its existence until Patsy phoned 911. I think the guy might have been sound asleep while she killed JonBenet and wrote the letter. She may as well have said she knew either he or his son was molesting their daughter and as a result of their actions the child is nearly beheaded and 99% dead.

Yeah, I don't see it that way. The delivery will be exhausting to me means that they are not going to give him a straight drop but there will be running around and things to throw off a tail.

I think this RN reads like it was written by someone wanting to be important and put JR in his place. It sounds to me as if it was someone in their late 20- or 30's that had watched a lot of films and thought they were going to be brilliant.. But just never made it..

 

[2 percent]

We are talking about Intruders in this thread. All My comments go to that subject alone. There are other threads to discuss P and J R.

Not discussion. Acknowledgement.
Unless I'm misunderstanding, discussion of RDI is discouraged but mention of it is not.

 

[MyBelle]

Yeah, I don't see it that way. The delivery will be exhausting to me means that they are not going to give him a straight drop but there will be running around and things to throw off a tail.

I think this RN reads like it was written by someone wanting to be important and put JR in his place. It sounds to me as if it was someone in their late 20- or 30's that had watched a lot of films and thought they were going to be brilliant.. But just never made it..

"They" never called. There was no delivery. The letter was a work of fiction written by Patsy Ramsey, according to investigators.

http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2011...eys-killer-15-year-anniversary-retrospective/

 

[DeDee]

We are opening up this thread with new rules.

If you are a "Ramseys did it" poster then you are not allowed to post on this thread. The IDI's get one thread and the "RDI's" get many.

If you are posting on the "Intruder" thread please remember your posts must be reasonable and you cannot point fingers at innocent people.

Until the police either solve the case or there is a real confession the "Intruder" shall remain nameless.

If you are an IDI person and you want to post in a reasonable manner on the RDI thread then you may do so but I am telling you I will not tolerate any sort of disruption no matter what the post is disguised to look like.

Hopefully this will keep the peace.

Thank you,
Tricia

Bumping bc this decent thread does not need to be shut down.

 

[MyBelle]

Bumping bc this decent thread does not need to be shut down.

I agree with you but there is no evidence the ransom note was ever tied to an intruder. I think just the opposite happened.

 

[ScarlettScarpetta]

Okay, Let me say this better. I am not saying this person was a serial killer although who knows if the killed anyone before or after, we don't.

My point was that people can be one person on the outside and one person on the inside. That people can have deep crazy hatred or bad feelings without anyone else knowing about it that was in their every day life.

By that logic then Patsy Ramsey could be one person on the outside and one person on the inside. John Ramsey could be a person with a deep crazy hatred and bad feelings that he has kept from everyone without their knowing in their every day life.

We are talking about Intruders in this thread. All My comments go to that subject alone. There are other threads to discuss P and J R.

Not discussion. Acknowledgement.
Unless I'm misunderstanding, discussion of RDI is discouraged but mention of it is not.

My comments about IDI in the IDI thread were twisted to conform to an RDI theory. This is for IDI discussion only, just as the RDI is for theories that involve the Ramseys.
not hiding.. just preserving the sanctity of my own thoughts and posts to be used as intended. Not twisted and made to be something they are not..

 

[ScarlettScarpetta]

"They" never called. There was no delivery. The letter was a work of fiction written by Patsy Ramsey, according to investigators.

http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2011...eys-killer-15-year-anniversary-retrospective/

Of course not. They already killed her. They knew she was in the basement dead. This goes more to an intruder. If it was the R's they would have gotten rid of her and then kept up with a kidnapping scenario. The people who were there never called because they probably assumed they would find her first thing and that was that.

 

[ScarlettScarpetta]

I agree with you but there is no evidence the ransom note was ever tied to an intruder. I think just the opposite happened.

The note can not be tied to someone "unknown". It can only be tied to someone if they find who that "unknown" someone is.

 

[2 percent]

The note can not be tied to someone unknown. It can only be tied to someone if they find who that someone is.

:silly: whoa! It is waaay too early in the morning for that kind of sentence!

 

[ScarlettScarpetta]

We don't know who the intruder is. So to say the note is not tied to a specific intruder, is true. It can not be until we find that intruder and then put the pieces together.

Nothing more. There is no author of the note at this point. That is clear.

 

[Mama2JML]

This is interesting, although surely lacking court standards re: scientific validity/reliability:

"Self-Image

Driven by a profound need to serve his own imperatives, Note Writer does not always consider the consequences of his actions. Or, he may purposely make the wrong choice if he sees it as in his interests, and simply disregard the consequences. His willpower or sense of purpose is not well developed, making it difficult for him to realize his goals once obstacles get in the way of success.

Intellectual Preferences

A predictable routine drives him crazy. Crisis management, where snap decisions have to be made on the spot, are much more in line with his temperament. More pragmatic than idealistic, he mostly sticks to what he knows; but when that is not enough, he is capable of using his ingenuity to solve problems. When he gets an "Aha!" experience, he does not quite trust his intuition--at least, not until all the facts are in.

Emotional Responses

Note Writer may spend a great deal of time and energy obsessing about his emotions. He evidently has undergone some very painful experiences in the past and cannot seem to stop thinking about them, although there is no attempt to 'work through' the difficulties and leave them behind. His moods and responses change from moment to moment, going from high to low and back up again in a matter of moments. His broad-mindedness can lead him into trouble. He will believe anything you tell him.

Defense Mechanisms

Note Writer hangs onto everything, from old newspapers to relationships that should probably have been tossed out long ago. Note Writer is engaged in an ongoing conflict between a compulsion to act on his impulses and the need to control them. Most often the pressure to act is too strong to resist and, in the end, he is angry with himself because he caved in.

Red Flags

Quick to find fault with others, Note Writer will point out what he perceives as their shortcomings without hesitation. The writer is the type of person who likes to take risks and dare to be different. However, a little bit of this attitude can go a long way. His idea of being 'different' may be outside the realm of the socially acceptable. Note Writer is a "stimulation junkie" who never sits still. It is as if he fears that if he stops moving, something awful will happen. The writer lacks the necessary perseverance to overcome unforeseen obstacles. He will keep going for a while, but knowing just what will cause him to quit is impossible to predict. It may be one thing this time and something completely different the next. His unpredictability makes counting on him a big mistake."​

Source: http://www.sheilalowe.com/software.php

 

[ScarlettScarpetta]

We were talking about the head bash and I was reading about the Lindbergh killing who was indeed killed by a bash to head almost immediately after being taken and was buried..

There were I think 12 ransom notes in the case. I think there maybe more. I have to read it more carefully I skimmed.

Im looking into some ransom note cases now.. Just to see what is there..

It is interesting to say the least.

http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/history/famous-cases/the-lindbergh-kidnapping

 

[ScarlettScarpetta]

I think they need to look more for someone with a like MO..

http://fox13now.com/2012/07/11/newbold-case-has-similarities-to-unsolved-slc-murder/

As I am reading this story they are trying to connect this man who went in kidnapped a 6 yr old girl, Raped, Strangled her and left her in a canal in June 2012 to another Night time kidnap, rape and murder of another 6 yr old in 1995. That is a long time between crimes but the mo is similar.

I still think more searching may hold some answers in this case

 

[2 percent]

I think they need to look more for someone with a like MO..

http://fox13now.com/2012/07/11/newbold-case-has-similarities-to-unsolved-slc-murder/

As I am reading this story they are trying to connect this man who went in kidnapped a 6 yr old girl, Raped, Strangled her and left her in a canal in June 2012 to another Night time kidnap, rape and murder of another 6 yr old in 1995. That is a long time between crimes but the mo is similar.

I still think more searching may hold some answers in this case

The only similarity I see is a sexually assaulted child was murdered.

Sierra was kidnapped, JB wasn't
Sierra was raped, JB was digitally, or similarly, penetrated
There was no RN in Sierra's case, there was in JBs
There is no evidence presented the murderer/rapist of Sierra was in Colorado
If they've run his DNA, and I assume they have, it didn't pop

Slightly off topic, there are two Iowa cold cases - Johnny Gosch and Eugene Martin - that are eerily similar but no link, other than circumstances, has been found. MOs can be misleading because copycats are attracted to successful crimes and criminals.

 

[ScarlettScarpetta]

The MO is similar in the two cases I linked. Not to JBR.

The next sentence is about other crimes that could be out there similar in nature and not have a repeat or someone to really look at for a long time. That person if he committed both those acts would have been in his 20's the first time and in his 40's when he assaulted poor little Sierra.

My thoughts were that it is entirely possible to have a long time between reoffending or at least getting caught again.

 

[2 percent]

The MO is similar in the two cases I linked. Not to JBR.

My mistake :blushing:

The next sentence is about other crimes that could be out there similar in nature and not have a repeat or someone to really look at for a long time. That person if he committed both those acts would have been in his 20's the first time and in his 40's when he assaulted poor little Sierra.

My thoughts were that it is entirely possible to have a long time between reoffending or at least getting caught again.

While I agree some crimes can have a large lapse between offenses I don't believe any felony, and some misdemeanor, sex crimes fall into that category. Serial killers, either. The compulsion behind sex crimes has been proven almost always uncontrollable except when the offender is confined. A man committing a felony sexual assault and murder, then nothing for years is, I think, impossible.

Also, while the MO is similar, it's not exactly unique. Unless he has a thing for canals, I guess.

 

[ScarlettScarpetta]

My mistake :blushing:



While I agree some crimes can have a large lapse between offenses I don't believe any felony, and some misdemeanor, sex crimes fall into that category. Serial killers, either. The compulsion behind sex crimes has been proven almost always uncontrollable except when the offender is confined. A man committing a felony sexual assault and murder, then nothing for years is, I think, impossible.

Also, while the MO is similar, it's not exactly unique. Unless he has a thing for canals, I guess.

I disagree as with the case I linked. What about BTK? I am sure there are more..