Intruder theories only - RDI theories not allowed! *READ FIRST POST* #2

[THE BUNK]

I am saying that an intruder or a Ramsey or anyone could have handled the notepad/pages in exactly the same way. So, it doesn’t matter why an intruder would waste his time writing the letter AFTER the crime. The point is that in either case he would handle the notepad and the pages exactly the same as the Ramseys, or anyone, would. And, the handling of the notepad/pages is what we were talking about.
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The evidence is the evidence. Forget IDI/RDI. The consensus should be that the note shows a degree of composure and reason one would not expect to be present in someone who had just sexually assaulted and asphyxiated to death a critically wounded child. Regardless of who we are talking about; it would be a rare individual who could write a note such as this one after committing this crime.

On the other hand, a note such as this one could be easily written beforehand. So, to say that “In the RDI, the letter can only be written after” is one (of many) reasons to doubt RDI.
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AK

So when were the pages removed in your theory?

 

[THE BUNK]

I was thinking for a while about that JAR made a statement about he could pay the ransom amount, according to Steve Thomas`s book. ST described JAR as a sincere and smart young man.

The more I think, the more I feel it need to be answered one way or another, because it directly connected to the ransom. I want other people opinions.
JAR, 20 y.o. student of a divosee mothers with two more siblings, all three attending colleges. When John was a bread winner for the former family, he was not wealthy at that time. He had built his millions years later, with the help of his second wife Patsy. It`s reasonable to suggest that John had not shared with his former family chunks of his growing wealth. He, no doubt, supported their education in some proportion, but for JAR to state that he could pay the ransom himself, it`s a big eyes opener. At least my eyes. I don`t know if others are very interested in it. I really do.

My first thought was - he had lied. But why would he lie? Why to lie such an obvious lie into the face of investigator who was working day and night to find the perp who killed his little sister? It would be obvious lie if it was lie because who could believe that he had such money in his account? Surprisingly, JAR had been asked no further questions in this respect- How come, dear Andrew you said right now you could pay $118,000? Like always in this mystery, as soon it`s becoming “hot”, questions stopped being asked.
My second thought-no, he would not lie. He was sincere and honest young man, trying his very best to help investigation, he had $118,000 in his account. He had it!

Anybody—can you help me with this?
The only way he could have it because his father JR gave his bonus to him 10 months prior to the tragedy.

If it was so, it turns everything upside down. Patsy could not know about the bonus indeed, and she insisted she had not. Surprisingly, at that her statement, when she said it, no further questions had been asked. Questions like—Mr. Ramsey -What bank account your bonus went to? Why would they ask? It`s becoming too “hot”, questions abruptly stopped.
If JAR Ramsey said the truth, it`s change all dynamics of the participants. Patsy had not known about the amount $118,000 and JAR`s friends could had known.

One way or another I want RDI people`s opinion. Please, help me – Was JAR a liar? Why would he lie? Had he said the truth?

1. JAR may actually have that amount if you count in trust funds, UGMAs, Education IRAs and other such gifts by other rich family member. It may not be that big a stretch.

2. I believe JAR was using hyperbole to show how insignificant the Ramsey amount was.

3. JAR interestingtly enough was the only member of the Ramsey family that actively seemed to concur that the IDI theory did not make sense.

Why?

One would argue that he did this to throw suspicion on his parents being the killer, because he himself was the intruder. It would explain why the intruder might seek to write the ransom note in this way. In order to frame Patsy for the murder. Patsy and JonBenet would be the members of the family that JAR would care about the least.

 

[elannia]

1. JAR may actually have that amount if you count in trust funds, UGMAs, Education IRAs and other such gifts by other rich family member. It may not be that big a stretch.

2. I believe JAR was using hyperbole to show how insignificant the Ramsey amount was.

3. JAR interestingtly enough was the only member of the Ramsey family that actively seemed to concur that the IDI theory did not make sense.

Why?

One would argue that he did this to throw suspicion on his parents being the killer, because he himself was the intruder. It would explain why the intruder might seek to write the ransom note in this way. In order to frame Patsy for the murder. Patsy and JonBenet would be the members of the family that JAR would care about the least.

I justvwanted to note joe barnhill said he saw JAR walking up the sidewalk chrismas day. Then he retracted his statement. Why would john ramsey get lawyers for JAR Melinda and his ex wife? They werent even there. Well supposedly 2 of them werent

 

[elannia]

Joe barnhill lived across the street right? He was keeping the dog for them and also hiding JB bicycle right?

 

[Anti-K]

So when were the pages removed in your theory?

Holy cow, dude! This question was answered by me in post #1311; you quoted the answer in post #1312; I answered it again – in bold – in post #1314: and you quoted my answer – again - in post #1315.

How can you keep missing it? I’m beginning to wonder if you are serious in your enquiries or if you are just trying to cause trouble?

Here’s your answer, one more time, exactly as stated (and, quoted by you) in the previous FOUR posts as listed above; for the FIFTH time: Then, the crime is committed and staged and then the killer returns to the notepad and opens it, rips out the pages, closes it and leaves it on the table where it was later found.
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AK

 

[THE BUNK]

Joe barnhill lived across the street right? He was keeping the dog for them and also hiding JB bicycle right?

A bit of good luck for the intruder that the dog was no dog at the Ramsey's that night. Too good, IMHO.

 

[THE BUNK]

Then, the crime is committed and staged and then the killer returns to the notepad and opens it, rips out the pages, closes it and leaves it on the table where it was later found.

So the killer left the notepad with the ransom note still on it while the Ramsey's were still in the house. So he risked the Ramseys seeing this note and being alerted to a potential kidnapping and home invasion?

One other thing I noticed was that if you tear a page off of the pad, it naturally curls up. You actually have to straighten it by pressing down on it. In the Ramsey's case that would not be a problem since they more than likely would have pressed down the pages together to prepare it for the police. After all, all they have to do after ripping the pages off is to hand it to the police. It's not like the pad or the pages need to go anywhere else.

 

[elannia]

Joe barnhill lived across the street right? He was keeping the dog for them and also hiding JB bicycle right?

I also wanted to point out no way I was just implying anything about joe barnhill. Just that he said he saw JAR.

 

[Anti-K]

So the killer left the notepad with the ransom note still on it while the Ramsey's were still in the house. So he risked the Ramseys seeing this note and being alerted to a potential kidnapping and home invasion?

One other thing I noticed was that if you tear a page off of the pad, it naturally curls up. You actually have to straighten it by pressing down on it. In the Ramsey's case that would not be a problem since they more than likely would have pressed down the pages together to prepare it for the police. After all, all they have to do after ripping the pages off is to hand it to the police. It's not like the pad or the pages need to go anywhere else.

He committed the entire crime while the Ramseys were in the house, so I fail to see why there would have been any additional risk to leaving the note in the pad while he went about his business. Of course, we don’t know the actual sequence of events, so...

I don’t believe you about the pages curling up when being torn out of the notepad. Sorry.
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AK

 

[Mama2JML]

RSBM

I justvwanted to note joe barnhill said he saw JAR walking up the sidewalk chrismas day. Then he retracted his statement.

This witness account was mistakenly attributed to Joe Barnhill, in an article printed 12.28.96. The reporter got it wrong. Another neighbor, whose name has not been disclosed, witnessed a male approach the Ramseys' home near dusk on the 25th.

 

[midwest mama]

RSBM
This witness account was mistakenly attributed to Joe Barnhill, in an article printed 12.28.96. The reporter got it wrong. Another neighbor, whose name has not been disclosed, witnessed a male approach the Ramseys' home near dusk on the 25th.

Source, please. If true this erodes what has been widely accepted by many.

 

[elannia]

Source, please. If true this erodes what has been widely accepted by many.

I remember reading about on here or FFJ. I remember thread name saying Joe Barnhill retracts statement?

 

[elannia]

And also Melody Stanton retracted her statement about the scream too also. Is that correct?

 

[THE BUNK]

He committed the entire crime while the Ramseys were in the house, so I fail to see why there would have been any additional risk to leaving the note in the pad while he went about his business. Of course, we don’t know the actual sequence of events, so...

I don’t believe you about the pages curling up when being torn out of the notepad. Sorry.
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AK

Hi Anti-K. I hope you are feeling better. May pleasant thoughts be with you throughout your days. :loveyou:

He can commit the crime while the Ramsey's are asleep cause there is no risk of being caught in the act as long as nobody wakes.

But to leave an obvious piece of evidence like the ransom note out in the open presents a pointless risk.

The killer rather than simply take the pages and fold them in his pocket, decides to leave all 3 pages on the pad in the kitchen while he is in his hiding place. Which now means he has one more thing to do and one more trip to make to deliver this ransom note that he spent so much time writing.

I don’t believe you about the pages curling up when being torn out of the notepad. Sorry.
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You know, Anti-K... the ransom note is one of the few examples in this case that can reproduced by anyone. Try writing the note yourself...come up with your own conclusions. Experimentation is as much a part of investigative work, right?

1. One thing I will admit is that I may not have the exact pad that the Ramsey's used correctly. The one I used did curl, but that may also be due to humidity and how the pad was stored. My experiment was

2. As with any product, paper companies are always looking to improve their products. Even something as simple as legal paper can be tweaked. So what I am saying here is that I can't be certain that a pad made in 1996 exhibits the same properties as one made in 2014. You would agree with this, no?

So in answer to that, Yes, it is possible that the Ramsey's own pages did not curl up upon being ripped off the pad.

Later on next week I think you and i should discuss the potential timeline of this intruder. I think in many RDI's that is a prime example of where that theory falls apart.
You are game for that discussion with the rest of the group, I assume?

 

[THE BUNK]

And also Melody Stanton retracted her statement about the scream too also. Is that correct?

I believe so. Does anyone know if Ms. Stanton is still alive? Anyone on the board ever get a chance to talk to her?

 

[elannia]

I believe so. Does anyone know if Ms. Stanton is still alive? Anyone on the board ever get a chance to talk to her?

I dont have a clue. There is a thread about it though

 

[THE BUNK]

You know, it may be minor..but it occurs to me that when little girls scream...they tend to keep doing it. It's rarely one scream and then they stop (unless someone quickly silence them before the next scream)

Adult women when they scream, usually they tend do it once and then are so self-conscious that they immediately stop. It's rarely that barage of scream after scream.

If JonBenet had screamed, the killer had to have subdued her quickly to prevent the subsequent screaming.

 

[elannia]

You know, it may be minor..but it occurs to me that when little girls scream...they tend to keep doing it. It's rarely one scream and then they stop (unless someone quickly silence them before the next scream)

Adult women when they scream, usually they tend do it once and then are so self-conscious that they immediately stop. It's rarely that barage of scream after scream.

If JonBenet had screamed, the killer had to have subdued her quickly to prevent the subsequent screaming.

Maybe thats when the head blow occured? After that scream?

 

[Mama2JML]

Source, please. If true this erodes what has been widely accepted by many.

Former BPD detective Robert Whitson. In the book, INJUSTICE, Whitson mentions two anonymous neighbors, who (as of 2000) had not been interviewed by LE nor the media. One of the neighbors observed two suspicious vehicles in the neighborhood within 24 hours before/after the crime, and the other neighbor witnessed "a white male walking around the Ramseys' home at dusk on Christmas." (Whitson, 2012)

 

[Mama2JML]

I remember reading about on here or FFJ. I remember thread name saying Joe Barnhill retracts statement?

Yes, there is a thread bearing that title, although I have no idea why as the OP doesn't address Barnhill's purported "retraction" and I haven't been able to find a source supporting the title. Another neighbor, aside from Barnhill altogether, did observe a white male approaching the Ramsey home @ dusk on the 25th, according to Lou Smit and Robert Whitson.