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Few may remember but even recently, before COVID, there were seats for Sunni, Christians, even a Jew in Iranian parliament. Of course it was more of a show, but to show that predominantly-Shia Iran was willing to work with its religious minorities was a smart thing. I think they excluded Bahais, and I don't know enough details about that religion to understand, why. (Growing too fast, perhaps?). But from its start, Persia existed as a multi-cultural empire, whose subjects were not required to change own religions. They were required to pay taxes to Persia. So the arrival of Islam did not totally obliterate the old ways.
The Bahais are regarded as apostate muslims by the Shia establishment, so are absolutely beyond the pale.

 
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The majority of those in the UK do not want to be involved in this. I am reading from your comment of "USA will take revenge on those not obedient" means what exactly? That we deserved to be attacked in the future for not saying how high when Trump says jump? What an abhorrent take. jmo.
Moo...oh no you have me on wrong side of fence. USA only sees a country as good..if they obey...they have already blacklisted Spain. Counties do have the right to make their own choices or so I thought...moo
 
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The human side of Iran.
We are supposed to look at Iran as just a huge block of desert land...with a bunch of nasty men leading it.

The human side.... how many civilian casualties will we see?
I don't know that it's that anyone's "supposed" to see Iran that way, I think it's more about lack of knowledge and faulty assumptions.

I wish there was another way. I wish there could be certainty that this will turn out alright.

I don't like the concept of regime change through bombs. I always think about my country, and whatever problems I have with the government I don't want someone from outside to bomb us into freedom. It's very important to me that the US/Israel focus on taking out the missile and arms capabilities and the heads of the most problematic aspects of the regime. I don't want Iran to end up looking like Gaza.

I don't want this to be about oil. But lets not forget that one reason the Iranian economy is so bad is the sanctions on selling oil and that if they can sell their own oil as they want to then that income needs to benefit the Iranian people and not a regime like the Ayatollahs and the Revolutionary Guard combination and use the income to fund terrorism.

Forming a stable government in any country right now seems tough. I am very grateful that we have elections and not constant civil wars to change leadership. I want them to have that option too. But people are human and it's hard to reach a consensus of which precise leadership to vote for even in countries where we have general agreement on our priorities. Then you do have the reality of manipulation from the outside, and each manipulator thinks they're doing it for the right and good reasons.

On a global scale, when countries attack our allies, we sometimes make the decision to not stand by. There are cost/benefit calculations done, including "what benefit to *us*" Diplomacy isn't always enough to stop hostilities. We can't change every country to be more to our own liking, and neither should we try.
 
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What a bunch of nonsense. Does he think the US, the World and especially Russia will not see through this statement?

We will remember those that had our back !!!

We will not forget.
Moo …
Why would we, Europeans, have your back, when you do not have ours in the face of the Russian threat? Why would we have your back when you were recently threating one of our countries with invasion?

MOO 🐄
 
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The majority of those in the UK do not want to be involved in this. I am reading from your comment of "USA will take revenge on those not obedient" means what exactly? That we deserved to be attacked in the future for not saying how high when Trump says jump? What an abhorrent take. jmo.
Imo, OP's post was pure sarcasm
 
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I find this belief being promoted by Hegseth extremely offensive. This is NOT a religious war!


Without any clear message coming from the White House with regard to the purpose of the Iran war, U.S. military commanders have turned to Jesus, apparently telling American troops that the war is “biblically sanctioned.”
 
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‘Imperialist undertones’: global south condemns US-Israeli war with Iran​

China calls it unacceptable to ‘kill leader of sovereign state’, while South Africa questions ‘pre-emptive’ justification

The US-Israeli war on Iran has been condemned as illegal across much of the global south

[…]

The Trump administration sought neither the approval of the UN security council – as Washington attempted for the Iraq war in 2003 – nor even the approval of elected representatives at home, analysts said.

[…]

“There is a profound sense that international law is being eroded more systematically, and that has, I think, profound consequences for many countries in the global south, which are militarily weak and vulnerable, have rich natural resources, and have long made a bet on international rules and norms,” said Stuenkel.

Maleeha Lodhi, Pakistan’s former ambassador to the US, said the US was negotiating with Iran in bad faith, as it did last year, using talks as a smokescreen to complete preparations to attack.

“Who can trust the Trump administration now? It acts unilaterally in total defiance of international law and any norms of diplomacy,” said Lodhi. “This will come back to haunt them.”

 
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Moo...oh no you have me on wrong side of fence. USA only sees a country as good..if they obey...they have already blacklisted Spain. Counties do have the right to make their own choices or so I thought...moo
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Why would we, Europeans, have your back, when you do not have ours in the face of the Russian threat? Why would we have your back when you were recently threating one of our countries with invasion?
The US deliberately attacked Iran, knowing they would retaliate and put the lives of many people, including citizens of our most loyal allies, in danger. They gave no advance warning to the leaders of our loyal allies, warnings that might have helped them plan for evacuation of their citizens. The least they could have done was allow the UK to prepare their RAF bases in the area.

JMO
 
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UK will charter flights from Oman to evacuate Britons from region amid Iran strikes​

Government working to transport stranded nationals in coming days, prioritising most vulnerable

The UK government will charter a flight from Oman in the coming days, prioritising vulnerable British nationals in the region amid continued strikes by Iran, the foreign secretary has said.

Yvette Cooper said the closure of the airspace and the threat of strikes from Iran, retaliating for US-Israeli attacks, meant the situation was “fast-moving”.

Most scheduled services to and from the Gulf remain cancelled until Thursday, although Virgin Atlantic was planning to operate its overnight service from Heathrow to Dubai on Tuesday night, after a partial reopening of UAE airspace.

British Airways will also separately operate a flight out of Oman in the early hours of Thursday, to bring home some of its own customers stranded in the Middle East.

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She said 130,000 British nationals had registered their presence with the Foreign Office, allowing them to receive updates as the situation unfolds.

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I think the Iranian people are amongst of the bravest in the world right now (Ukrainians are right up there for me too).

Imagine taking to the streets of your nation by the millions, unarmed, to knowingly protest and die for your right to freedom. Knowing full well what you are up against with your "leaders". For the the right not to be executed because your hair showed from under a mandated hijab (for women), to not have an eye gouged out for wearing makeup, to be able to do such a simple thing as dance, to not be hung from a crane due to your sexuality. For the right to choose who and how you want to be led. For the right to actually have a trial before your execution where you actually have legal representation and not some religious zealot just 'decide'. Where your family is not charged the cost of the bullet that they killed you with.

Just imagine. I can because I have watched their uprising, their cries for freedom, the many of them who have posted their "Last Words" to the world "in case" they should be killed by the Regime. IMO, last words which also include things like 'if I am killed by an airstrike, do not blame Israel or America for it was the Ayatollah who caused this to me". They are all over twitter.

Do regime changes need to be "recent"? I mean, they've happened. Pol Pot is gone (The now-deceased Ayatollah was on-track to beat that psycho's numbers based upon his 48 hour total of innocents massacred on Jan 8 and 9 of his year. Nary a peep from the UN or many, many others who failed to speak up and out (some of whom even claim to be humanitarians) about them. Nary a single resoloution. The silence was absolutely deafening! Apparently, they don't think much about those tens of thousands of victims in this.

Even the allies didn't have a plan and replacement potential-name for the regime change in Germany before Adolf was dunzo. Now, it seems to be an expectation. The problem with that is "that's not up to us" --- that's up to the people who even today are still out there yelling, yearning and fighting back bare-handed against the Islamist thugs who still roam their streets. The ones yelling 'thank you' to Israel and the United States for helping them move towards achievement of freedom and release from 47 years of monstrous tyranny that has not been limited by the Islamic Regime to within it's own national borders.

Rather, they've funded (along with a couple other nations), trained and exported their terrorism via proxies throughout the middle east for decades. It is not surprising that Iranian missiles and drones have struck civilian hotels, apartment buildings, International airports and a Palestinian Hospital. I didn't expect any less from them after they showed their inability to control themsleves and their massacre of their own people last month. One nation in particular bears the brunt of that absolute terrorism and hatred they've exported for decades. That nation struck first. After decades of 'putting up with it'. When they respond to attacks they get "why didn't you do premeptive strikes to prevent this?" When they do a "pre-emptive strike" like currently they get "that's illegal!!" (it's actually not when Iran has been behind the terrorists attacking them on Iraeli turf for years).

Yes, IMO it's time. It's enough already. And it certainly seems that it's not just the US and Israel saying so.

May this region finally see some semblance of peace at the end of all this. The region deserve it. And every single one of them all also deserves to not be terrorized. Ever.

All IMO.

@Vern, but have you ever visited Iran? Me, no. Caucasian women married to Iranians told me that one had to cover the hair, wear long sleeves, and jeans were totally OK. Pahlavi's widow was attending a mosque with her hair uncovered. I know Iranian women who told me that Iranian youth were drinking and smoking in the houses.

Of course, things have become more conservative. But they kicked out Reza Pahlavi twice! Now they seem to be tired of the clerics, but whomever they want or don't, the person has to be their choice. I think they won't accept any from us.

I think that like with any other country, we can't generalize. Iran has big cities and own "redneck" areas. Tehran, Isfahan or Shiraz are likely populated by more liberally-minded people. In rural areas, people are more conservative.

Likewise, it is absolutely unreasonable to compare Khmers Rouges with Iranians. Pol Pot was educated and trained by French communists. If you then try to use the "class struggle" theory in a classless (agrarian) society, you'll end up in killing 3 millions in 4 years. But the world had a strange attitude to Pol Pot and Khmers Rouges. No one protested, no one invaded Cambodia. Worse, Khmers Rouges kept place in the UN till 1993, being ousted of power in 1979.

No one in the world has the right to mention Pol Pot, except for Vietnam. US tolerated Pol Pot - Ieng Sary's regime because Cambodia was the adversary of Vietnam. USSR almost never mentioned them (wish to avoid conflicts with China + obnoxious, but still communists, perhaps?). Western Europe kept quiet because Pol Pot was raised on French progressive ideas. China.. we know.

So, no, Iran has a very different head count and it is a state based on religion, not on communism. Not even close.

Hezbollah is technically not Iran and they haven't arrived to the US.
 
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The US deliberately attacked Iran, knowing they would retaliate and put the lives of many people, including citizens of our most loyal allies, in danger. They gave no advance warning to the leaders of our loyal allies, warnings that might have helped them plan for evacuation of their citizens. The least they could have done was allow the UK to prepare their RAF bases in the area.

JMO
Exactly, they didn't even provide for the safety of their own citizens. And if they didn't know Iran would retaliate, that is nothing but gross incompetence.
 
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Trump administration has still not settled on reasons for going to war with Iran​

Andrew Roth in Washington

The rationale keeps changing – from Iran planning a preemptive strike to lobbying by Israel

I always consider the source.

The article headline is obviously not a fact (certainly not a provable one anyway).

Which leaves us with a far left opinion piece from a far left source.

Jmo
 
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Why would we, Europeans, have your back, when you do not have ours in the face of the Russian threat? Why would we have your back when you were recently threating one of our countries with invasion?
There are many US soldiers stationed throughout Europe as well as rotational units that spend 9 months at a time away from their own families to train alongside allies in Europe and to be ready if needed. My older son was part of a rapid deploy force that was in Europe within 2 weeks of Russia invading Ukraine. He spent 6 months there that time and then he left 4 days after his wedding to spend 7 more months in Europe to participate in a military exercise through Norway, Sweeden, and Finland and then finished up that deployment in Estonia. I don't know what you mean by we don't have your back because US soldiers are not just spending time away from their families for nearly a year at a time for funsies.
 
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The US deliberately attacked Iran, knowing they would retaliate and put the lives of many people, including citizens of our most loyal allies, in danger. They gave no advance warning to the leaders of our loyal allies, warnings that might have helped them plan for evacuation of their citizens. The least they could have done was allow the UK to prepare their RAF bases in the area.

JMO
That is absolutely not true. Preparations were many weeks in advance, as our allies were fully aware that a strike was possible, based on the US military's posture. They were likely not told of the exact timing of such an attack, as you risk exposing operational security. This is precisely why they were able to take out so many top leaders in broad daylight.

Everyone paying even a slight bit of attention knew this was likely coming. British intelligence is among the best in the world, if someone like me knew this was coming, they sure as hell did.
 
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I always consider the source.

The article headline is obviously not a fact (certainly not a provable one anyway).

Which leaves us with a far left opinion piece from a far left source.

Jmo
Have you read the article? It’s Trump’s own words contradicting himself.
 
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“The industry remains ⁠vigilant and ready to respond to cyber threats at all times, and especially when global cybersecurity risks are heightened,” said Todd Klessman, managing director for financial services cyber and technology at industry group SIFMA which runs an annual exercise to ensure financial firms can operate through significant cyber emergencies.

“We continue to monitor the current situation with a focus on operational resilience, which is foundational to the integrity and stability of the U.S. capital markets,” Klessman said.

According to a U.S. intelligence assessment that Reuters reported on Monday, Iran-aligned “hacktivists” could conduct low-level cyberattacks against U.S. networks, such as distributed denial-of-service attacks (DDoS), whereby hostile actors overwhelm ‌a targeted server with a flood of internet traffic.

Credit rating agency Morningstar DBRS said on Tuesday the most significant risks to global banks and asset managers were likely to be indirect, including sustained higher oil prices and shocks to borrowers, but warned that cyber risks could also rise.

“Iran could ⁠increase its cyberattacks against Western entities, including banks,” the credit rating agency said.

 

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