Is George lying?

[Donjeta]

Thank you.. So was Cindi already at work when this call was made, and does that indicate George made the call and Casey was probably not at home?

Unless it was a "where's my cellphone?" call by Casey herself?

I find myself calling my own cellphone in the mornings quite frequently so I'd hear where it rings.

Where did she spend that night?

 

[RR0004]

Unless it was a "where's my cellphone?" call by Casey herself?

I find myself calling my own cellphone in the mornings quite frequently so I'd hear where it rings.

Where did she spend that night?

IIRC..the call "experts" determined that's probably what happened.

 

[Oakley]

Oakley, I had the same thought when Baez stated his OS. I thought OMG they agreed to be implicated by Casey in this so as to create reasonable doubt so she wouldn't be convicted with Death and maybe even not LWOP if they did a bang up job of accusing George and making Casey look mentally unstable due to the abuse.

It was my first thought that George was "taking one for the team". They didn't seem horribly upset by the allegations and other than saying "no it didn't happen" nothing else has been brought up at the trial about it, BUT, it may be creating doubt, in fact if you read some blogs and message boards and watch some of the guest speakers on certain shows, there is a certain amount of sympathy and even understanding how she could do this if she had been molested. So??? who knows. If George allowed this to happen with his consent they all need to go to jail.:banghead:

IDK if it will create doubt enough to get her off. We're only halfway through the state's evidence, and how many people have been abused and never murder their child or turn into pathological, heartless liars? It makes no sense at all to think that George would try to hide an accidental death, AND try to pin it on Casey? And Kronk??? The defense's OS was ludicrous, almost laughable IMO. I'm not worried about that. I'm more concerned with a mistrial at this point. I am hoping that the state brings in the psychiatrists who examined Casey to testify about their findings. But back to George, who knows the truth? As many have pointed out previously on this thread- his credibility is not great. And then there is Casey, with zero credibility. What a mess.

 

[LaLaw2000]

I not only think George is lying, I think the whole Anthony family is.

The one thing I do not believe is that George sexually molested Casey.

I believe with everything in me that the family found out early on that Caylee was deceased. I believe they were all in a state of shock and covered for Casey. The lies and coverup just got bigger and bigger and more out of control. I listened to the jailhouse tapes with the thought that they all knew Caylee was gone.

I do think George did help Casey coverup what she had done. How do you explain a decomposing body in your trunk? You coverup and say that Caylee was kidnapped. 911 was not called and told there had been an accident, and then could not be called at a point later on and told there had been an accident because the body would have been at a stage of decomposition. While I have used the word accident, I really do not believe it was an accident. I think Casey told her family it was, though.

I listened to the jail tapes with all of that in mind, and it does make sense to me that the family was covering for Casey. Even Lee had stated that he had located a couple of the people that we now know were made up. The whole family did sworn depositions and could not change their testimony on the stand at trial. I think they have all lied and all covered for Casey and were locked into it now.

I do feel that Cindys' grief was real on that witness stand. It was two-fold in that she lost a granddaughter she dearly loved and has now lost her daughter as well. I do pity all of them because of the love I know they had for Caylee.

Do I think George has lied? Yes, I do. He could not come forward in the past because it would nail Casey as well as himself. If any truth is ever told, it will be after the trial and George will do it, or really kill himself this time.

I think George, Cindy, and Lee should be charged with Obstruction. IF George helped Casey dispose of Caylee, then I hope he is charged as an accomplice. George and Cindy knew the smell of decomposition. This whole family will have to live in torment their entire lives because of what Casey has done. While I do have a level of compassion for them, I cannot and will not forget their actions during this entire time.

Sorry for the long post here, folks. I know there is probably not one person that agrees with me on this and that is fine. I want justice for little Caylee no matter what.

MOO

 

[Tulessa]

I remember George telling Richard that Casey may have finally come up against someone and crossed them that she couldn't handle.

I can't imagine the terrible thoughts that would have been racing through their minds during those first days and weeks.

But, they had to have come to some point of realization, with sending Dominic Casey out into those woods, etc.

When exactly did they come to terms with "something", behind closed doors that made them want to finally sort out the trueth of perhaps Casey really had done something.

It wasn't just 6weeks ago, IMO.

purple, DC checking those woods where Caylee was found has ALWAYS been a thorn in my side. IMO he knows something and that something, I THINK, came from CA and GA. I just CANNOT for the life of me figure out what it is, or why it wasn't investigated more.:waitasec:

 

[grandmaj]

Casey was George's daughter but I believe that no matter how hard he tried to keep Casey on the straight and narrow Cindy took Casey's side. I think it became a two against one. I do not believe George molested Casey. The story has changed too much. The original story was that Lee did. Now out of no where there is this blockbuster news. Nope.

The relationship I believe between George and Casey was more passive, just as it was with Cindy. As a result of that Casey played one against the other constantly in my opinion, causing marital strife.

George had left the house and was living elsewhere not long before Caylee went missing. Probably because of problems with Casey and he just gave up.

Casey was used to getting her own way and is still trying to get her own way. Her hands are betraying her. What happens when she gets upset in court? Her hands start pinching up and numb? IMO They are her weapons and she can't stand them. She covers them with sweaters and blouses and whatever she can. She twists and wrings them. What happened with those hands? She doesn't like those hands.

I believe both Cindy and George realized early on their words in that first 48 hours sank Casey. They tried to save their daughter by explaining away certain things. Were they told to say that by someone? Time will tell on that and I believe it will be Casey, George and Cindy against Baez when Casey is convicted. Look out Mr. Baez.

George is certainly not an angel but something is not adding up to me about George molesting his daughter. I don't see it.

 

[Bobbisangel]

Watching this case unfold from our perspective--even though we ache for Caylee and want justice for her--is far different than being a grandparent of the victim and having people left and right referring to the "smell of decomp" in the car. And to add insult to injury, George is now being accused of participating in the cover-up of his granddaughter's death! If this were me, I would be a basket case, and would certainly have trouble spitting out answers fast enough to appease everyone.

I cannot even imagine how George has held it together as well as he has. His testimony looked and sounded very sincere to me and it was crystal clear that his heart was breaking all over again having to relive that day and talk about the "smell of decomp" knowing that is all that remains of his beloved granddaughter. George is no angel but I do not believe the sexual abuse allegations, and I do not believe he would ever harm Caylee or cover up her death under any circumstances.

I firmly believe George would be willing to die if it could bring Caylee back.

This is exactly the way I feel. I saw a man that was broken and devistated on that stand. A man that can barely stand to look at Jose Biaz or his daughter because of what they are trying to do to him. While watching the jailhouse tapes shown last week it is obvious that George and Casey just have a regular father daughter relationship. Casey tells him he is the best dad and grandfather ever and that he will always be her buddy. They seem to relate well with each other and from the things that George said about Caylee coming home and looking for her and how things were going to change when she comes home, etc, it is obvious that he didn't help dispose of her body. Casey is such a liar and I sincerely hope that this jury has a lot of good ole common sense and have been listening with both ears to every word spoken. I believe that George and Cindy believe now that Casey murdered Caylee.

 

[Bobbisangel]

How does visiting escort sites make George a murderer? What can JB hope to gain with that little nugget? The men on the jury may not think it determines character IYKWIM.

That probably wasn't George looking up escort services but probably Casey seeing how being an escort works. Maybe she thought she is classy enough to be an escort and make some money while hanging out with men! She could see what all the escorts have to offer and have an idea if she wanted to go that route or not. I think it would have suited her but not sure if she was attractive enough.

 

[lmcgill]

That probably wasn't George looking up escort services but probably Casey seeing how being an escort works. Maybe she thought she is classy enough to be an escort and make some money while hanging out with men! She could see what all the escorts have to offer and have an idea if she wanted to go that route or not. I think it would have suited her but not sure if she was attractive enough.

Well she did have a pretend job for two years so maybe that was her next move. I have always wondered what she did for money before stealing from everyone.

 

[cuppy199]

I havent read through the whole thread but wow Im sure the DT loves this thread :crazy: I guess my question would be Is it easier for some to believe that GA had something to do with it? Im starting to believe that Beaz is right in a way about the pretty young mother remark when it comes to how some perceive it. Do I think at one time in the media GA protected his daughter in a sense yes but I dont believe he had anything to do with what happen to Caylee and I dont think he is lying in his testimony either. GA has his faults as a parent and has some low self estem issues and losing Caylee was more then the man could bare so he tried what many have thought about after losing a loved one. Doesn't mean he was guilty of anything just meant it was more then he could take or deal with at the time. Watching those jail house visits showed a spoiled young women who wanted every thing to be about her and when she didnt get it she throw a fit. There was no fear of her parents what so ever during the whole video's. I seen some not so great parents in way over there head. They tried to make things right by putting more pressure on ICA to finally step up to the plate and to try and be responsible parent to Caylee but by then it was to late. IMO ICA was never abused sexually or physically. I wouldn't be surprised if it was ICA who had become voilent in the past to her parents when and if she didnt get the attention she seeked. I personally dont believe GA or LA did anything. I have the opinion the whole family tipped toed around ICA most of the time in fear of setting her off and never held her responsible for her actions. I dont think any of them believe ICA would ever hurt Caylee but they were wrong just like they were about alot of things. The only person responsible for Caylee death is ICA :twocents:

 

[Caligram]

I do not believe that GA molested ICA, and that accusation is something he has to live with from now on. There was no accidental drowning in the Anthony pool. I do believe that GA did not see ICA and Caylee Marie leave on June 16th as if it were a normal work day for ICA. GA lied to hide the fact that there was an awful fight between CA and ICA on June 15th. He was not involved in that fight but lied to not have to reveal that ICA had disappeared with Caylee Marie, who was murdered by ICA sometime between that night and the night of June 16th.
I believe that GA lied about seeing ICA and her car in his garage when his gas cans were recovered. She would have avoided driving over without Caylee to the Anthony house, in her stench-filled car, when the A's were there. So, I don't think he got anywhere within sight or scent of that car.
GA did not appear to be a tyrannical father, and I know he doted on Caylee Marie. I think he felt compelled to always address ICA as "gorgeous" and dole out compliments to ICA so she wouldn't feel intense jealousy over beautiful Caylee Marie. The Anthony's probably fully enjoyed Caylee Marie the most when ICA wasn't there to spoil their delight in their charming grandchild. I think ICA ruled that house because she could threaten to take their sunshine away. The A's were constantly walking on eggshells, carrying out a pretense for maintaining the cooperative happy home simply to please ICA. When Caylee Marie outlived her usefulness to ICA, the unspeakable happened and ICA took the A's sunshine away, permanently. GA probably is hanging on by a thread during this horrible time of truths coming out about ICA. All he has now is CA, to cling to, for mutual support. I hope that now GA will firmly be there for justice for Caylee Marie.

 

[crucibelle]

YES. I believe George is lying about something, I'm just not exactly sure what. I do believe he is lying about the events on the 16th, but I do not believe he was around when Caylee died. I do believe he might have found out what happend to her early on, though. I used to think that Cindy knew, too, but now I don't think she had any clue. As for whether George molested ICA or not, I haven't decided about that one.

 

[Justin Tyme]

I not only think George is lying, I think the whole Anthony family is.

The one thing I do not believe is that George sexually molested Casey.

I believe with everything in me that the family found out early on that Caylee was deceased. I believe they were all in a state of shock and covered for Casey. The lies and coverup just got bigger and bigger and more out of control. I listened to the jailhouse tapes with the thought that they all knew Caylee was gone.

I do think George did help Casey coverup what she had done. How do you explain a decomposing body in your trunk? You coverup and say that Caylee was kidnapped. 911 was not called and told there had been an accident, and then could not be called at a point later on and told there had been an accident because the body would have been at a stage of decomposition. While I have used the word accident, I really do not believe it was an accident. I think Casey told her family it was, though.

I listened to the jail tapes with all of that in mind, and it does make sense to me that the family was covering for Casey. Even Lee had stated that he had located a couple of the people that we now know were made up. The whole family did sworn depositions and could not change their testimony on the stand at trial. I think they have all lied and all covered for Casey and were locked into it now.

I do feel that Cindys' grief was real on that witness stand. It was two-fold in that she lost a granddaughter she dearly loved and has now lost her daughter as well. I do pity all of them because of the love I know they had for Caylee.

Do I think George has lied? Yes, I do. He could not come forward in the past because it would nail Casey as well as himself. If any truth is ever told, it will be after the trial and George will do it, or really kill himself this time.

I think George, Cindy, and Lee should be charged with Obstruction. IF George helped Casey dispose of Caylee, then I hope he is charged as an accomplice. George and Cindy knew the smell of decomposition. This whole family will have to live in torment their entire lives because of what Casey has done. While I do have a level of compassion for them, I cannot and will not forget their actions during this entire time.

Sorry for the long post here, folks. I know there is probably not one person that agrees with me on this and that is fine. I want justice for little Caylee no matter what.

MOO

I'll echo in agreement. Probably more will agree than not.

 

[sweethang]

Does anyone know if Jose, in his opener, said neither George or Lee was the father? I still think it's suspicious that George reported the gas cans missing from his shed but said nothing about the missing toddler, approx. a week after she had been seen.

 

[countzero]

Does anyone know if Jose, in his opener, said neither George or Lee was the father? I still think it's suspicious that George reported the gas cans missing from his shed but said nothing about the missing toddler, approx. a week after she had been seen.

Good ol' JB made a snarly remark about the paternity issues talked about in the media were so bad that the FBI did a paternity test on Lee. Didn't bother to mention GA, but just implied it.

 

[Theonly1]

Call to ICA cell from Anthony home phone @ 7:45 AM on June 16th. ICA checks VM immediately @ 7:45 as well.

This fact was what made me sure she killed her or left the house on the night of the 15th (after the alleged fight that no one will talk about). Why would she call her cellphone? Well, she could call it to locate it if it fell behind the bed or something. But she would not immediately CHECK THE VM. Or *maybe* Cindy or George called Casey who was locked in her bedroom? If Casey was at home at that time, there would be no reason for HER to call her own cellphone and also immediately thereafter check her own VM.

Problem here is that everyone comes into this case with dirty hands and dirty mouths. Who can be trusted? The facts we can trust are the facts that come from non-family members.

 

[cluciano63]

The reason I feel George is lying or covering up something is because of the jailhouse tapes. Why should there be anything that can't be discussed openly, even knowing they are being taped, if there was nothing to hide? And yet he more than once made it sound as though they should not speak openly on that phone. If they truly believed she was innocent, both parents sure acted awfully guarded and suspicious in the jail visits and George especially came off to me as trying to make sure she did not say the wrong thing.

 

[KMouse]

I think that ICA caused a lot of chaos in the Anthony home. No doubt it caused marital problems for GA and CA. ICA was and is a spoiled brat with parents that enabled her, mostly CA. ICA was living "the good life". Partying etc. for a long time. She never went to college but instead got pregnant wthout even the parents having a clue who the father of the baby is. We are led to believe that this was all okie dokie in the Anthony home. I don't believe that for a minute.
GA and CA stepped up and took care of Caylee and did everything they could to provide her with a loving home. However there was still that big elephant in the room called Casey who was still living the good life. The endless line of boyfriends or friends with benefits, the partying, the fake job, etc. How can somebody fake having a job for a couple of years? Where was she getting the money to party, drive a car, and have a cell phone? I think CA continued to enable ICA with her lifestyle and provided money and looked the other way. With Caylee ICA now had the power in the home. Caylee was leverage. You don't give me what I want then I will take the baby away from you. Hence the fights, drama and chaos. ICA stealing from family caused fights in the house yet CA couldn't do much or ICA would take their beloved Caylee away. As nutty as I think CA is and as nutless as I think GA is at least they adored Caylee and provided a stable and loving home for her.

As ICA's partying, fake work, stealing spiraled out of control so did the tension in the home. GA was probably on CA's case about it and CA probably told him to keep his nose out of it. GA knows way more than he is letting on. He knew ICA was a troubled daughter but could do nothing as his wife continued to enable her.

I believe that there were arguements in the home and I believe there was a big one on the 15th over ICA stealing money. The fight escalated and ICA left with Caylee and told CA that they would never see Caylee again (MOO here). ICA was backed into a corner. Her line of credit was cut off by CA, CA refused to babysit, and she had nowhere to go and no real source of income. Tony didn't want Caylee hanging around the apartment. I think Caylee was killed out of anger and desperation after the fight with CA. Without Caylee then Casey could go and live the good life with Tony without her parents on her back. Faking a kidnapping would make ICA look like a victim. Only the story was never thought out properly because the act of getting rid of Caylee wasn't a long planned out event. I think the murder was not an accident at all...no leaving Caylee in the car overnight etc. I think it all happened out of anger on the 15th without thinking too much to the future. The duct tape to me shows intent to kill and therefore first degree murder.

I digress...
Yes I believe GA is lying but not about abuse and not about an accidental drowning. GA is lying because he knew early on before this murder ever happened his daughter was out of control and when she got herself into a heap of trouble he along with CA did everything they could to keep the nanny story alive and direct the guilt at another person even as the evidence was piling up on ICA (largest run on sentence ever).

Now the whole family is locked into their early statements and depositions and it would be very difficult for their credibility to come out now and tell the whole truth. We will never hear it.

 

[cloud9]

No. I don't think GA is lying. When ICA got rid of Caylee, she also destroyed her parents and brother. So very sad.

 

[lmcgill]

I think that ICA caused a lot of chaos in the Anthony home. No doubt it caused marital problems for GA and CA. ICA was and is a spoiled brat with parents that enabled her, mostly CA. ICA was living "the good life". Partying etc. for a long time. She never went to college but instead got pregnant wthout even the parents having a clue who the father of the baby is. We are led to believe that this was all okie dokie in the Anthony home. I don't believe that for a minute.
GA and CA stepped up and took care of Caylee and did everything they could to provide her with a loving home. However there was still that big elephant in the room called Casey who was still living the good life. The endless line of boyfriends or friends with benefits, the partying, the fake job, etc. How can somebody fake having a job for a couple of years? Where was she getting the money to party, drive a car, and have a cell phone? I think CA continued to enable ICA with her lifestyle and provided money and looked the other way. With Caylee ICA now had the power in the home. Caylee was leverage. You don't give me what I want then I will take the baby away from you. Hence the fights, drama and chaos. ICA stealing from family caused fights in the house yet CA couldn't do much or ICA would take their beloved Caylee away. As nutty as I think CA is and as nutless as I think GA is at least they adored Caylee and provided a stable and loving home for her.

As ICA's partying, fake work, stealing spiraled out of control so did the tension in the home. GA was probably on CA's case about it and CA probably told him to keep his nose out of it. GA knows way more than he is letting on. He knew ICA was a troubled daughter but could do nothing as his wife continued to enable her.

I believe that there were arguements in the home and I believe there was a big one on the 15th over ICA stealing money. The fight escalated and ICA left with Caylee and told CA that they would never see Caylee again (MOO here). ICA was backed into a corner. Her line of credit was cut off by CA, CA refused to babysit, and she had nowhere to go and no real source of income. Tony didn't want Caylee hanging around the apartment. I think Caylee was killed out of anger and desperation after the fight with CA. Without Caylee then Casey could go and live the good life with Tony without her parents on her back. Faking a kidnapping would make ICA look like a victim. Only the story was never thought out properly because the act of getting rid of Caylee wasn't a long planned out event. I think the murder was not an accident at all...no leaving Caylee in the car overnight etc. I think it all happened out of anger on the 15th without thinking too much to the future. The duct tape to me shows intent to kill and therefore first degree murder.

I digress...
Yes I believe GA is lying but not about abuse and not about an accidental drowning. GA is lying because he knew early on before this murder ever happened his daughter was out of control and when she got herself into a heap of trouble he along with CA did everything they could to keep the nanny story alive and direct the guilt at another person even as the evidence was piling up on ICA (largest run on sentence ever).

Now the whole family is locked into their early statements and depositions and it would be very difficult for their credibility to come out now and tell the whole truth. We will never hear it.

WOW...I believe every word of this post!!