Is George lying?

[Melanie]

Personally, I go back n' forth with George - I just don't understand him. I know he is a very grieving grandfather/father. He's been hurt terribly. On one hand we hear he was trying to be tough with ICA at the house, then treats her with candied gloves in the jail house tapes. So I don't know if I've ever really seen the real George (ie, the angry George in the media, the George on the stand, the George on the tapes).

But I can bet ya my bottom dollar that he didn't molest his daughter or find his grandaughter in the pool and covered it up. No way no how.

I think like others have said - he's doing the best he can given the circumstances (many) that he's been put under.

Thanks - just my opinion.

Mel

 

[txsvicki]

I don't think George or Cindy is lying or outright lied to police. Casey's history shows that she has lied and made herself a victim in the past to get her way or to cover up theft of money. All the Anthony's ever expected of her was to either work and take care of her child or just to take care of her child. They may have glossed over some things, such as suspecting she wasn't really working to the media, but doesn't mean they are covering up the death of their grandchild. I can fully believe that they never caught Casey in too many lies until she was an adult and became a full blown psychopath. A good psychopath would make sure they didn't find out any lies right away either, so it probably took awhile to even suspect. Any financial or marital problems that came up was probably used to full advantage by Casey. The only thing she most likely cared about was having them babysit and to make sure she had some money to get by, and then be able to cover up thefts. I just hope that they have the opportunity to really come clean about all the thefts from the sale of the car, from credit cards, from bank account, spending money they were conned out of, and from Casey's grandparents. The thefts is probably what George was warning Casey would come out. That all needs to come out, because it could be motive.

 

[cecybeans]

Does anyone know if Jose, in his opener, said neither George or Lee was the father? I still think it's suspicious that George reported the gas cans missing from his shed but said nothing about the missing toddler, approx. a week after she had been seen.

Well now we know that Caylee being away from the home was not as unusual as we thought. RM pretty much testified she was over there four or five nights a week from Feb - April. She was over at RM's from June 9-14. I think ICA skipped off with Caylee to punish her parents for getting on her case about a variety of things (stealing thousands of dollars and being on the phone all day among many others). If CA was calling her an unfit mother, it had to do with how she was watching her daughter (or not watching her more likely, even RG mentioned she let others do the work). ICA was over 21, she had every right to take her daughter anywhere she wanted and I'm sure she never lost a moment telling that to her parents. They really didn't have a legal leg to stand on in terms of reporting Caylee as "missing" at that point simply because her mother had taken her with her allegedly. Others here have remarked that it would even be difficult to prove she was an unfit mother according to CPS standards and interviews; she would have had to have moved out on her own and been neglecting her and as long as CA and GA were there, Caylee lacked for nothing. I think GA reporting the cans was to see if ICA would come back and return them after CA told her he had actually called LE. She was telling them at the time she was in Tampa, but clearly was in town to break in his shed (and he had said earlier she'd stolen gas from there before). I think it was GA's way of saying he was on to her and wouldn't stand for her sneaking into the house and stealing stuff while she was telling her family she was out of town.

I thought it was particularly ironic that JB brought up the paternity tests. He vigorously fought against a gag order that the state requested, so all that discovery was made public about the claims KC made about her brother molesting her to AL and JG in their interviews. That's why there was all that public speculation and innuendo and probably what fueled OCSO to ask the FBI to test the dna, and it could have been totally avoided by JB if he had kept the discovery private. He is a hypocritical <modsnip>.

 

[Tulessa]

I don't think George or Cindy is lying or outright lied to police. Casey's history shows that she has lied and made herself a victim in the past to get her way or to cover up theft of money. All the Anthony's ever expected of her was to either work and take care of her child or just to take care of her child. They may have glossed over some things, such as suspecting she wasn't really working to the media, but doesn't mean they are covering up the death of their grandchild. I can fully believe that they never caught Casey in too many lies until she was an adult and became a full blown psychopath. A good psychopath would make sure they didn't find out any lies right away either, so it probably took awhile to even suspect. Any financial or marital problems that came up was probably used to full advantage by Casey. The only thing she most likely cared about was having them babysit and to make sure she had some money to get by, and then be able to cover up thefts. I just hope that they have the opportunity to really come clean about all the thefts from the sale of the car, from credit cards, from bank account, spending money they were conned out of, and from Casey's grandparents. The thefts is probably what George was warning Casey would come out. That all needs to come out, because it could be motive.

She bragged about giving LE the wrong brush...

 

[Woe.be.gone]

...because he wasn't getting along with his wife?

A lot folks fib on job applications to cover for gaps in their employment...not saying it's right, but it's done.

Come to think of it, he said he wasn't employeed on the ap to Andrews but he actually was employeed by Security Forces
in Jan, Feb and March - July of 2008. Where was this man? No one really knows!

Well if he didn't leave the house in October 2007 maybe he left in November 2005 immediately after his grandfathership began. Maybe he left during both times; what to believe? :waitasec:

 

[Intermezzo]

I think that may be a fib because IIRC the As separated the Nov. after Caylee was born and their separation wasn't that long, it was a matter of months.

yes...You're right RR..it's the wrong year...George had been living back at home since 2006
He left Nov/Dec 2005 and returned in 2006

I believe Casey became very angry in March 2008..IMO angry at Cindy

iirc within days of Cindy cutting off Casey's money supply Casey is conducting those searches..very hinky to IMO

 

[Intermezzo]

Holy cow, what if KC was looking up those things to protect herself in case GA approached her again?
I never made this connection before.

sorry...the year was wrong...George had moved out in 2005 and moved back in 2006..

 

[GiantPickle]

I am convinced that George suspected Caylee was dead from the moment he sat in that car....I believe his initial LE interviews suggest this very thing. It took a very long time for him to stand up straight and be real with what he knows....and that is where we are today...he can't say "listen, I knew what was up from the gate but I'm weak and my wife wears the pants in my family" so he has to carefully tell the old story. What he was told to believe and wanted so badly to believe rather than the truth. I also think Cindy was the ringleader in the selling of Casey's story rather than ICA for that matter.

 

[Intermezzo]

The reason I feel George is lying or covering up something is because of the jailhouse tapes. Why should there be anything that can't be discussed openly, even knowing they are being taped, if there was nothing to hide? And yet he more than once made it sound as though they should not speak openly on that phone. If they truly believed she was innocent, both parents sure acted awfully guarded and suspicious in the jail visits and George especially came off to me as trying to make sure she did not say the wrong thing.

Casey had pointed the finger at other people but she did not go into detail
Baez had investigators, not only DC, looking into other people IE:Jesse...IMO they did not want to tip off anyone that they were being investigated by them..

:twocents:

 

[Intermezzo]

I think that ICA caused a lot of chaos in the Anthony home. No doubt it caused marital problems for GA and CA. ICA was and is a spoiled brat with parents that enabled her, mostly CA. ICA was living "the good life". Partying etc. for a long time. She never went to college but instead got pregnant wthout even the parents having a clue who the father of the baby is. We are led to believe that this was all okie dokie in the Anthony home. I don't believe that for a minute.
GA and CA stepped up and took care of Caylee and did everything they could to provide her with a loving home. However there was still that big elephant in the room called Casey who was still living the good life. The endless line of boyfriends or friends with benefits, the partying, the fake job, etc. How can somebody fake having a job for a couple of years? Where was she getting the money to party, drive a car, and have a cell phone? I think CA continued to enable ICA with her lifestyle and provided money and looked the other way. With Caylee ICA now had the power in the home. Caylee was leverage. You don't give me what I want then I will take the baby away from you. Hence the fights, drama and chaos. ICA stealing from family caused fights in the house yet CA couldn't do much or ICA would take their beloved Caylee away. As nutty as I think CA is and as nutless as I think GA is at least they adored Caylee and provided a stable and loving home for her.

As ICA's partying, fake work, stealing spiraled out of control so did the tension in the home. GA was probably on CA's case about it and CA probably told him to keep his nose out of it. GA knows way more than he is letting on. He knew ICA was a troubled daughter but could do nothing as his wife continued to enable her.

I believe that there were arguements in the home and I believe there was a big one on the 15th over ICA stealing money. The fight escalated and ICA left with Caylee and told CA that they would never see Caylee again (MOO here). ICA was backed into a corner. Her line of credit was cut off by CA, CA refused to babysit, and she had nowhere to go and no real source of income. Tony didn't want Caylee hanging around the apartment. I think Caylee was killed out of anger and desperation after the fight with CA. Without Caylee then Casey could go and live the good life with Tony without her parents on her back. Faking a kidnapping would make ICA look like a victim. Only the story was never thought out properly because the act of getting rid of Caylee wasn't a long planned out event. I think the murder was not an accident at all...no leaving Caylee in the car overnight etc. I think it all happened out of anger on the 15th without thinking too much to the future. The duct tape to me shows intent to kill and therefore first degree murder.

I digress...
Yes I believe GA is lying but not about abuse and not about an accidental drowning. GA is lying because he knew early on before this murder ever happened his daughter was out of control and when she got herself into a heap of trouble he along with CA did everything they could to keep the nanny story alive and direct the guilt at another person even as the evidence was piling up on ICA (largest run on sentence ever).

Now the whole family is locked into their early statements and depositions and it would be very difficult for their credibility to come out now and tell the whole truth. We will never hear it.

Great Post...I agree.
Casey was the Princess of the family..even Cindy's brother said so..

 

[katydid23]

I am convinced that George suspected Caylee was dead from the moment he sat in that car....I believe his initial LE interviews suggest this very thing. It took a very long time for him to stand up straight and be real with what he knows....and that is where we are today...he can't say "listen, I knew what was up from the gate but I'm weak and my wife wears the pants in my family" so he has to carefully tell the old story. What he was told to believe and wanted so badly to believe rather than the truth. I also think Cindy was the ringleader in the selling of Casey's story rather than ICA for that matter.

But 'suspected' and 'knew' are two different things. And when something that horrifying is staring you in the face, it is really hard to know what to believe.

One night, very late, I was fast asleep, and got a call from my 17 yr old son. I answered and heard the scariest thing I ever heard as a parent. " Mom, I just got in a really bad accident. I can't breathe..."

me:Where are you??????

C: On the fwy.

me: What exit?????

C. I don't know...CLICK/

I call back and it goes straight to voice mail. My husband and daughter were away on a trip so I jumped in the car and sped to the 101 fwy. I was shaking so hard and so frightened because my mind kept going to a bad place. I drove a couple of miles South and then turned around and went North. Coming around a bend I came upon my nightmare. Flashing lights, cops and ambulances. And even then, I held onto the hope that my son was okay. The fwy was closed except for one lane, which was moving slowly. I still clung to the belief that he was fine. Then I saw his truck. It was smashed like a pancake. The front end had accordianed into the side of a large Buick. My heart was pounding out of my chest, but I kept clinging to the fact that he had called and spoken to me. That kept me going. I pulled over and talked to the Hwy Patrolman and told him it was my sons truck. He looked worried and again, I should have fallen apart right there. But I held on to the tiniest bit of faith that he was okay. I am looking right at his totaled truck and two ambulances parked alongside the scene. But I held tight to my belief.

The cop walked me over to the ambulance, and there was my son. Sitting up,
smiling, talking to the young female EMT. That is when my knees buckled. But I had been right. Against all odds, my tiny bit of hope stayed with me.
His air bag saved him and the major damage was on the passenger side and he had already dropped his gf off before the accident. The other car was driven by a drunk driver who spun out right in front of my kid, who had no time to stop and hit the drunk driver broadside.

The point of this story? I as a parent did NOT want to believe the evidence before my eyes which indicated my son was horribly injured. There was plenty of evidence to indicate that, but I kept hoping it was going to be okay. Thank goodness it was. But it helps me understand how George overlooked what he did. Wow, this trunk smells. But hey, there is garbage here, that must be why. And my wife has spoken to Casey, and the baby is just fine... It was a natural reaction for him as a parent to hold onto hope, imoo.

 

[LaLaw2000]

SBM.

I don't really see how the kidnapping story explains decomp in Casey's trunk. If the nanny had Caylee and Casey had her car Caylee wouldn't have ended up decomposing in the Sunfire trunk. A carjacking could have explained both.

BBM:

The kidnapping story doesn't explain the decomposition smell in the vehicle and was never meant to, IMO.

That was certainly not what I was attempting to convey. The decomposition smell in Caseys' vehicle was never meant to be found.

JMO

 

[LaLaw2000]

Did KC accuse GA of disposing of Caylee's body? We're jumping to that conclusion based on JB's opening statements.

George had only been home for about twelve weeks prior to Caylee's death.
According to his job application he was living in Ft. Myers until March 2008.

IDK, but I have been posting for over two years that I thought George may have helped Casey dispose of Caylees' body because when he found out about it, the body was in a state of decomposition.

I am going to stop posting that opinion because I wasn't even referring to JB's OP. I surely do not want to confuse that issue.

MOO

 

[Kat]

Is GA lying?

I think that GA is telling the truth as he knows it to be.

Denial is a very complex and powerful thing. I think both of KC's parents were in denial and I'll even go so far as to say that nothing KC did prior to the murder of Caylee could have lead them to the conclusion she would indeed murder Caylee.

This is an extraordinarily dysfunctional family and to apply reason and logic to behaviors that defy reason and logic just won't work.

But again, I think GA has always been honest and told his truth. The key here is "his truth". JMHO.

 

[feddup]

They didn't have the nation of followers at the time that they took the car home from the tow yard. They "A"s said, "smell's like a dead body's been in the car", hey, they descibed it, washed stinky pants, removed items, wiped down items with clorox wipes, aired out the car, sprayed fabreeze, added scented dryer sheets, etc. all while ICA & Caylee were missing. All done before they called the law. They BROUGHT the attention to themselves. That's not normal behavior of someone whose trying to locate missing family members when the car was found abandoned and towed. He was and ex cop and she was a nurse. He above all would know if your family is missing and the car is found abandoned and it smells like a dead body was in the car, you first call the law, not go into house cleaning mode upon the car and items inside of the car.

*if* only the guy at the tow yard had called police about that car, this case might have been so much easier to solve. Does anyone know if they vac'd the car also? It doesnt seem like they found many hairs. And could they tell if it had been scrubbed, the trunk?
Its a shame the police couldnt have gotten the car right away. And...who decided to put a smellycarin a GARAGE in FL in July? Ours gets really hot and I would think they wouldve left it out to air out. JMO
Im not sure if GA is lying but I think he made alot of bad choices. He didnt see Caylee for 31 days either and we presume he didnt talk to her.

 

[pcrum12]

No, I do not believe George helped Casey dispose of little Caylee on the morning of the 16th. I do believe he did days later because of the state of decomposition. I do think he and Casey thought up Caylee being disposed of making it look like a kidnapping was the best thing to do at that point.

George was not an emotional guy for the 10 years he was in LE. You cannot be. He saw and dealt with a lot really bad and morbid things, IMO. He also came to know what decomposition smells like. If he is so emotional now, it is because the horrible things that happened were personal this time.

I think George discovered little Caylees' body in the trunk of the vehicle when Casey was at the house the afternoon she gave him the gas cans from the trunk. He was suspicious of why Casey did not want him to look in the trunk for the tire block, IMO. That was days after Casey had been avoiding them. I believe when George did discover Caylees' body in the trunk that Casey told him it was an accident and she did not know what to do and panicked. They could not call 911 and claim it had been an accident when Caylees' body was decomposing in the trunk. The kidnapping story was then hatched, IMO.

I do not believe that George ever molested Casey, and I do not believe he was in any way responsible for Caylees' death/murder. What I do honestly believe is that he did cover for Casey and did help dispose of Caylee. I do not for one minute think that Casey would have even gone to the trouble of placing Caylee in any protective wrapping whatsoever. I also believe the duct tape was placed on little Caylee to bolster the kidnapping story.

All of this is just IMO, but is what I do honestly think.

I totally agree with your theory on George finding Caylee in the trunk and helping to dispose of the body. I've thought this for a long time! However, my opinion on the sexual abuse differs. I do believe something is not right there. I said right at the start that I bet there was incest in that home. I'm an incest survivor and I just had a nagging feeling and then bam out it came in OS. All is of course MOO.

 

[cluciano63]

I don't know, I wish I knew if River Cruz is telling the truth in her interview with police; she sounds credible to me and if she is, then George is not a very honest or upright person at all...so lying to police or in court would not be a big deal.

I know denial is a big factor, my parents dealt with a degree of this sort of thing with my (late) younger sister and my mom would at least seem to believe everything she said. But I don't understand everything not coming to a halt for George the instant he smelled that smell and knew perfectly well what it was. He had not seen Caylee in a month-Casey was avoiding her parents at all costs-if they were not planning to go into some sort of cover-up mode, or were already in one, then I do not understand not taking that car directly to the police station from the tow lot, no calls to Cindy, no passing go.

 

[pcrum12]

I would very much like to hear from GA what he meant when he said he feared other things coming out if they didn't find Caylee soon. He expressed this to KC during one of the jailhouse visits. He said 'other stuff would come out'. Then Cindy inquired if KC talked to either a shrink or clergy, I can't remember which one, and KC said 'yes'. Cindy inquired further if KC had said anything to this person. KC answered, 'no, I'm not going to tell a stranger my personal business'. They've been hiding something since the beginning when they had those early visits imo.

Under the circumstances, I'd really like to know what THAT HIDDEN SUBJECT is - just for the record.
And I can't understand how the majority of peeps just gloss over these subtle weirdnesses in the A's speech patterns.

I totally agree. I have never been able to get pass the odd comments. Several comments lol.

 

[Kat]

I would very much like to hear from GA what he meant when he said he feared other things coming out if they didn't find Caylee soon. He expressed this to KC during one of the jailhouse visits. He said 'other stuff would come out'. Then Cindy inquired if KC talked to either a shrink or clergy, I can't remember which one, and KC said 'yes'. Cindy inquired further if KC had said anything to this person. KC answered, 'no, I'm not going to tell a stranger my personal business'. They've been hiding something since the beginning when they had those early visits imo.

Under the circumstances, I'd really like to know what THAT HIDDEN SUBJECT is - just for the record.
And I can't understand how the majority of peeps just gloss over these subtle weirdnesses in the A's speech patterns.

I totally agree. I have never been able to get pass the odd comments. Several comments lol.

^^^^^^ exactly what I was thinking about what I've heard on the tapes when I posed that I heard quotes that could be taken out of context and used by the defense to support their assertions. JMHO (there are quite a few IMHO by the way)

 

[Woe.be.gone]

Call to ICA cell from Anthony home phone @ 7:45 AM on June 16th. ICA checks VM immediately @ 7:45 as well.

Does this mean that KC was not home early morning on June 16?
GA and CA both say she was in her room sleeping. What gives?
There's too much to keep track of for me to keep all the details straight.
If KC was not home, the whole story goes to pot, no?