Is the criminal investigation of LA a red herring?

[fuzzykpd]

I think LA's attorney understands that Lee's own statements on video conversations with KC indicate LA was conducting his own "investigation", obviously in direct cooperation with KC and that if there were leads he was investigating on his own or at her direction, he is witholding pertinent information from LE investigators and likely could be charged with that even if he gave them all the information later. The best defense is often taking the first offense kind of thing. by bringing it out in the open now, his attorney is trying to flush out LE to be able to plan their own defense. BTW Lee;s attorney doesnt seem that comfortable in the limelight. He appears nervous and not a practiced media speaker and that would go along with what we perceive as an inappropriate announcement. He is a a little fish playing in a big pond of sharks and a bit out of his league.

 

[coco puff]

Has LE announced that they're considering charging Lee with something? I hadn't heard that. Of course, as you know, I don't see where Lee or the As have crossed the line. There's not even agreement here on what, if anything, Lee did wrong, yet everyone is eager to see him hang for it...whatever it is.

They said on NG that LE is investigating LA for obstruction and related activities.

I really think folks are just disgusted with the way LE took two hours to retrieve KC's things from AL's apartment, played internet video games instead of looking for Caylee, threw out stuffed animal gifts for Caylee, tried to get "find Caylee" funds deposited into his paypal, refused lie decter tests and refused to give DNA samples until forced to, oh and lets not forget the really big high-five or the bad-mouthing of TES or the really nasty emails he has sent out. The guy does not seem to be engaging in the emotions appropriate of one that lost a niece and has a sister charged with 1st degree murder. imo

 

[Cara's Mom]

I first had bad vibes about LA during his interview with LE. Did anyone else notice how he recited his story about the conversation with KC in the bedroom, and what she related to him? He chanted that conversation just as though he had memorised it from a script. I don't think anyone uses inflections that way when they are telling something for the first time. Listen to the tape again and I'm sure you will catch what I mean.

I also find it strange that the uncle of a missing child would set forth on their own investigation. Offering to help LE in any way is normal, but actually investigating possible witnesses? Hinky.

Lots of things, including the infamous High Five, have compounded my suspicions. I don't think he was actively involved in any "body moving", but I do think he has deliberately covered up relevant information from the get-go.

There must be something to the lawyer coming out with the possible charges statement. We all know that even the hint of an accusation leaves a stain on a person's character that most can't get past, even when proven unfounded.

I was listening to a LE interview w/LA again, and YES, it did sound like he had a "script" that he was following. Just droning on, no pauses or normal inflections to his voice. I wonder who, in the family, concocted this "script"? Had to be CA or KC.

 

[coco puff]

I was listening to a LE interview w/LA again, and YES, it did sound like he had a "script" that he was following. Just droning on, no pauses or normal inflections to his voice. I wonder who, in the family, concocted this "script"? Had to be CA or KC.

LA's lawyer mentioned that he questioned KC for LE. I wonder if it was LE's script.

 

[impatientredhead]

I think this lawyer just wants to have his face on TV and try and make a name for himself.....if I was LA I would fire him for talking to the media at all.

This is my thought as well. Is this guy working for free and just trying to make a name for himself. He apparantly is taking tips from JB about announcing you client is guilty of things yet to be determined by LE. He made himself and Lee look like fools. The prosecutors office must be circulating that clip around the office as a comical/shocking video.

 

[impatientredhead]

They said on NG that LE is investigating LA for obstruction and related activities.

I really think folks are just disgusted with the way LE took two hours to retrieve KC's things from AL's apartment, played internet video games instead of looking for Caylee, threw out stuffed animal gifts for Caylee, tried to get "find Caylee" funds deposited into his paypal, refused lie decter tests and refused to give DNA samples until forced to, oh and lets not forget the really big high-five or the bad-mouthing of TES or the really nasty emails he has sent out. The guy does not seem to be engaging in the emotions appropriate of one that lost a niece and has a sister charged with 1st degree murder. imo

Lee's investigation would have involved him talking to all of Casey's friends, the same people LE has talked to. If he was not very careful about what he said and any of those people felt that he was trying to find out what they had told LE, or shape what they were going to tell them that would get back to LE very quickly, and would be illegal. Just a thought.

His attorney said the charges could be more than obstruction, he said tampering with evidence and aiding after the fact. Those are both felony charges.

 

[debs]

Has LE announced that they're considering charging Lee with something? I hadn't heard that. Of course, as you know, I don't see where Lee or the As have crossed the line. There's not even agreement here on what, if anything, Lee did wrong, yet everyone is eager to see him hang for it...whatever it is.

I wonder when it will be enough for you that the Anthony's own attorney, Lee's own attorney has preempted any discussion about future charges with press releases about their clients' involvement, or lack thereof. Whether LE has considered charges is of course being kept close to the vest. However, it is completely uncharacteristic to see a lawyer speak about any future charges that might be filed against their clients before LE has made that gesture.

So it is entirely likely that the Anthony's HAVE been contacted by LE privately to say that they have implicated themselves in some manner, thus prompting the various lawyers to speak up. We just do not know what they were approached regarding. Your continued defense of the Anthony's is admirable; however, blindly determining that television stations, LE, lawyers, anyone ELSE attached to the Anthony's have to be culpable in attempting to sling these people through the mud is to blithely ignore the fact that they themselves crawled into it.

Their behavior is of course up for interpretation based on the trauma and shock of a missing, and then found dead granddaughter/niece. However, what they have continually said in statements to the police, in statements to the press, in an attempt to elicit sympathy and funds, is directly on them. We as the public can observe and assess what is being told to us by people who are close to the matter and make a determination as to the veracity of their statements, and as we have been able to read through documents as they are released, find those statements to be not only contradictory but outright lies.

For whatever it is worth, I don't worry about whether there will be future charges laid upon the Anthony's. They either will, or will not be charged. But I will not pretend that throughout this entire ordeal that has drawn the attention of people around the world, that they are only to be pitied for the ordeal. They lost their daughter/granddaughter/niece. Their grief will be theirs to bear. I did not know Caylee, and frankly neither did most everyone in the world. I cannot grieve her death like they can. I am not invited into their home to see them deal with their grief in private.

But grief is not an allowance to lie to people. The Anthony's own attorney has stated that they have done so, but "have cooperated fully and have made conflicting statements" cannot exist together. You cannot cooperate and lie. And if LE feels that is worthy of filing charges, that is up to them, and if the lawyer thinks it is worthy enough to speak about, that is good enough for me.

 

[Katana]

I have a feeling that whatever we are about to find out about Lee is a lot worse than him covering up for KC. Lee may be charged with OJ, but I think there is something shocking and unspeakable that is about to be heard. The attorney is trying to create the shock and drama now before all is revealed.

 

[Bev]

I'd like to read the context of LA's lawyer's comments, because I can't believe any attorney (or any good attorney) would suggest or say outright that he expects his "INNOCENT" client to be indicted for anything. A good attorney does everything possible to keep his client from being indicted and will claim loudly and longly that there is NO reason to indict his client for anything.

 

[impatientredhead]

I'd like to read the context of LA's lawyer's comments, because I can't believe any attorney (or any good attorney) would suggest or say outright that he expects his "INNOCENT" client to be indicted for anything. A good attorney does everything possible to keep his client from being indicted and will claim loudly and longly that there is NO reason to indict his client for anything.

I was floored when I saw the clips on NG and one of the other shows yesterday.

http://www.cfnews13.com/MediaPlayer...920080849&cat=CAC&title=Thomas Luka Interview

 

[Bev]

I haven't seen this many big mouths since last year's bass tournament - and I'm referring to the attorneys. The only thing worse than having a client pop off is having an attorney who pops off.

 

[Kimster]

I'd like to read the context of LA's lawyer's comments, because I can't believe any attorney (or any good attorney) would suggest or say outright that he expects his "INNOCENT" client to be indicted for anything. A good attorney does everything possible to keep his client from being indicted and will claim loudly and longly that there is NO reason to indict his client for anything.

Watch the clips. I saw him say just that!

 

[amethyst221]

There has long been talk on public forums about whether the A family members ought to be/will be charged with any criminal wrongdoing, and LE has long denied that they have any current plans to charge them. IF they do, they aren't saying. Maybe LE doesn't know yet. Maybe they don't want to ever, as they are kinder to the family than the family is to them.

Against this backdrop, the new attorneys for all of them have sought out public forums (like appearances on national tv, press conferences, etc.) in which to raise, at the first opportunity, the immunity issue about their own clients. I don't know their motivations to a certainty, but if there is increased speculation about possible charges, they have only themselves to thank for it. From the GP's attorney, it almost seemed an admission of some lesser wrong (making some inconsistent statements), which they supposedly would not repeat, and a suggestion they would be all cooperative and whatever in exchange for immunity in the future. Not the best PR, as it reinforces the idea that they tend not to tell the truth as a default response and just won't do the right thing ever just for the sake of doing it. In the case of LA, it was more like whining from his attorney and spin: LA just carried on his own investigation and is likely to be charged, but wrongfully so.

Assuming for the sake of argument that these new attorneys are not bumbling fools, I'd guess this is all part of the new overall defense plan that was rolling out just before Caylee's remains were found. There must be a plan to gain something here, on behalf of the clients AND Casey's defense, which her family members undeniably promote. What?

I don't know how serious, but they all SEEM to have some worries about potential charges. So, for example, why wait until trial, get called as a witness, invoke your right not to self-incriminate, get immunity shoved on you and be forced to testify without full preparation time or go to jail for contempt. Why not know what is coming, explore NOW what they might have or think they have against you, have time to prepare, get insight into the case against Casey, know for sure whether you are going to be able to retain and sell your story about the case, avoid any perjury possibilities for coming clean only "part way" when LE knows "all", etc. etc. I just don't believe as a rule that lawyers act to the detriment of their clients for just no reason. There has to be something in it for the clients. Either immunity they need or something else (like my what if, above). The discovery of Caylee's remains and the house searches that followed seem to have evoked a response from the A's/their attorneys. They know every single item that was seized and they have the information to put them in context. And this is what they have said. We'll see.

 

[kathyn2]

I wonder if Lee or his lawyer saw the threads here asking if he might be arrested. Don't we have a whole thread devoted to it before this lawyer ever came out? I think he is speaking out because of this thread and the rumor that who knows who started in the media. Who knows if Lee even did anything??? Everyone one from the meter reader up to the main character are suspicious if you ask me. There is hardly anyone that appears normal and innocent of anyone we have seen in this case other than the A's new attorney and Less new attorney seems ok and Nejame seems ok. All the rest looks shifty as far as I am concerned.

 

[cyberborg]

I saw LA's new attorney coming out and making these statements of possible charges being an opportunity for him to establish himself in the media circus. We had all heard that LA had hired an attorney and this was a convenient excuse with some bluster to get himself out there and on TV.

I do agree that it could be exploratory, to try to see what LE has on the family - if anything - and to try to force their hand to act, so it can be dealt with. I am sure that A family are very unsure as to what jeopardy recent acts have placed them in -- especially if it is a LOT worse than we know and -- the A's don't know what LE knows.

A guilty conscience can drive a person crazy, so an attorney can lay those fears to rest as well as probe LE as to what they do and don't have.

May be a part of the game of poker, that LE is pushing the buttons of the family since LE hold some good cards now and know some new stuff and, the A family reacting --- and watching them react.

If LE can get them in a place where they feel that KC is a lost cause given the homicide and are more willing to cooperate to save themselves from unknown charges then that'd be good but also, I am sure the attorney's are in cahoots together trying to paint LE as conspirators and making errors in the persecution rather than prosecution of this case to defend KC.

The $64M question is, do the attorney's unite and by doing so defend KC and thus their clients -OR- as this unravels and implicates folks do they focus on their clients.

 

[future criminologist]

this has probably been said before (I didn't read all the comments in this thread), but if LE is actually thinking of charging the As, I think they will use those charges as a bargaining chip in exchange for information that will help them build the case against CA. and I for one can't wait for them to all turn on eachother - you know none of them wants to go to jail to protect CA.

can anyone think of any other cases in which family members had obstruction charges dangled over them in exchange for giving up their family member?

 

[passionflower]

I do think that LE will do an arrest/and plea deal? on LA. I think CA should get arrested for cleaning the car, washing the pants and the hair brush OJ. I think GA should get arrested for using the money of a dead baby, he knew CAYLEE was dead, IMO. I am reading a true crime book right now. The man gave red flags to LE when his story had inconsistancis in it. He was arrested. Now that was Nevada......I don't know about Fla. MOO

 

[natsound]

Lee obviously doesn't like LE. I believe he refused to submit DNA/fingerprints without a subpoena because it was his right to do so (and when men are mad, they're stubborn!!). But as far as him being an accessory to this crime... I just don't see it. I've been thinking about those jail visit conversations, when he keeps reminding KC that everything is being taped, and he has her play a "hold up this finger" game asking who he can trust... perhaps that's being seen as a crime.. obstruction of justice.

Lee did not move the body. He wouldn't have moved it right down the street from his parents' house. Plus, he loved Caylee.

 

[Spyglass]

In past threads, the possibility arose that the attorneys may be preparing the public for the family to refuse to testify against KC on the grounds of incriminating themselves. If the attorneys make it sound as though an arrest may be imminent, that would seem to bolster their need to plead the 5th. The real issue may be, once again, protecting KC. Or not.

 

[Steely Dan]

(Edited for brevity)

I also find it strange that the uncle of a missing child would set forth on their own investigation. Offering to help LE in any way is normal, but actually investigating possible witnesses? Hinky.

Lots of things, including the infamous High Five, have compounded my suspicions. I don't think he was actively involved in any "body moving", but I do think he has deliberately covered up relevant information from the get-go.

Conducting his own investigation reminds me of the murderer's on Columbo that try to steer him away from themselves and believe they can do it because Columbo appears to be a doofus.

I've forgotten about the high five can someone refresh my memory on that please.

They said on NG that LE is investigating LA for obstruction and related activities.

I really think folks are just disgusted with the way LE took two hours to retrieve KC's things from AL's apartment, played internet video games instead of looking for Caylee, threw out stuffed animal gifts for Caylee, tried to get "find Caylee" funds deposited into his paypal, refused lie decter tests and refused to give DNA samples until forced to, oh and lets not forget the really big high-five or the bad-mouthing of TES or the really nasty emails he has sent out. The guy does not seem to be engaging in the emotions appropriate of one that lost a niece and has a sister charged with 1st degree murder. imo

AL's and TES?

I wonder when it will be enough for you that the Anthony's own attorney, Lee's own attorney has preempted any discussion about future charges with press releases about their clients' involvement, or lack thereof. Whether LE has considered charges is of course being kept close to the vest. However, it is completely uncharacteristic to see a lawyer speak about any future charges that might be filed against their clients before LE has made that gesture.

So it is entirely likely that the Anthony's HAVE been contacted by LE privately to say that they have implicated themselves in some manner, thus prompting the various lawyers to speak up. We just do not know what they were approached regarding. Your continued defense of the Anthony's is admirable; however, blindly determining that television stations, LE, lawyers, anyone ELSE attached to the Anthony's have to be culpable in attempting to sling these people through the mud is to blithely ignore the fact that they themselves crawled into it.

Their behavior is of course up for interpretation based on the trauma and shock of a missing, and then found dead granddaughter/niece. However, what they have continually said in statements to the police, in statements to the press, in an attempt to elicit sympathy and funds, is directly on them. We as the public can observe and assess what is being told to us by people who are close to the matter and make a determination as to the veracity of their statements, and as we have been able to read through documents as they are released, find those statements to be not only contradictory but outright lies.

For whatever it is worth, I don't worry about whether there will be future charges laid upon the Anthony's. They either will, or will not be charged. But I will not pretend that throughout this entire ordeal that has drawn the attention of people around the world, that they are only to be pitied for the ordeal. They lost their daughter/granddaughter/niece. Their grief will be theirs to bear. I did not know Caylee, and frankly neither did most everyone in the world. I cannot grieve her death like they can. I am not invited into their home to see them deal with their grief in private.

But grief is not an allowance to lie to people. The Anthony's own attorney has stated that they have done so, but "have cooperated fully and have made conflicting statements" cannot exist together. You cannot cooperate and lie. And if LE feels that is worthy of filing charges, that is up to them, and if the lawyer thinks it is worthy enough to speak about, that is good enough for me.

I don't believe LE calls anyone unless they're charging them. They can call them back in to clarify their statements but at this point I don't think their lawyers would allow that. I don't think they'll give a heads up to them.

You're absolutely right about conflicting statements and cooperating with LE.

I'd like to read the context of LA's lawyer's comments, because I can't believe any attorney (or any good attorney) would suggest or say outright that he expects his "INNOCENT" client to be indicted for anything. A good attorney does everything possible to keep his client from being indicted and will claim loudly and longly that there is NO reason to indict his client for anything.

Listen to the link the impatientredhead has supplied. What he says is not what people here are saying he said exactly. He says that anything is possible in this case. He doesn't say he knows his client will be charged just that he could possibly be charged with obstructing justice due to LA conducting his own investigation.

I was floored when I saw the clips on NG and one of the other shows yesterday.

http://www.cfnews13.com/MediaPlayer...920080849&cat=CAC&title=Thomas Luka Interview

This guy looks out of his league. Look at the tension in his forehead as he speaks.