Is the criminal investigation of LA a red herring?

  • #61
They said on NG that LE is investigating LA for obstruction and related activities.

I really think folks are just disgusted with the way LE took two hours to retrieve KC's things from AL's apartment, played internet video games instead of looking for Caylee, threw out stuffed animal gifts for Caylee, tried to get "find Caylee" funds deposited into his paypal, refused lie decter tests and refused to give DNA samples until forced to, oh and lets not forget the really big high-five or the bad-mouthing of TES or the really nasty emails he has sent out. The guy does not seem to be engaging in the emotions appropriate of one that lost a niece and has a sister charged with 1st degree murder. imo

Which spokesperson for LE appeared on NG?

The day they arrest people for playing video games is the day I toss my computer out to the road. Oh, will they arrest me for that too? Lee did NOT try to get find funds deposited in his Paypal account. He supposedly offered that option to someone of very questionable credibility when that person lied about having no other way to make a donation. Big deal. It was $5 whole dollars.

The fact is, no one here can state with certainty one thing that Lee has done that's illegal, but if people had their way he'd be stoned in the town square. That scares me, to tell the truth.
 
  • #62
There has long been talk on public forums about whether the A family members ought to be/will be charged with any criminal wrongdoing, and LE has long denied that they have any current plans to charge them. IF they do, they aren't saying. Maybe LE doesn't know yet. Maybe they don't want to ever, as they are kinder to the family than the family is to them.

Against this backdrop, the new attorneys for all of them have sought out public forums (like appearances on national tv, press conferences, etc.) in which to raise, at the first opportunity, the immunity issue about their own clients. I don't know their motivations to a certainty, but if there is increased speculation about possible charges, they have only themselves to thank for it. From the GP's attorney, it almost seemed an admission of some lesser wrong (making some inconsistent statements), which they supposedly would not repeat, and a suggestion they would be all cooperative and whatever in exchange for immunity in the future. Not the best PR, as it reinforces the idea that they tend not to tell the truth as a default response and just won't do the right thing ever just for the sake of doing it. In the case of LA, it was more like whining from his attorney and spin: LA just carried on his own investigation and is likely to be charged, but wrongfully so.

Assuming for the sake of argument that these new attorneys are not bumbling fools, I'd guess this is all part of the new overall defense plan that was rolling out just before Caylee's remains were found. There must be a plan to gain something here, on behalf of the clients AND Casey's defense, which her family members undeniably promote. What?

I don't know how serious, but they all SEEM to have some worries about potential charges. So, for example, why wait until trial, get called as a witness, invoke your right not to self-incriminate, get immunity shoved on you and be forced to testify without full preparation time or go to jail for contempt. Why not know what is coming, explore NOW what they might have or think they have against you, have time to prepare, get insight into the case against Casey, know for sure whether you are going to be able to retain and sell your story about the case, avoid any perjury possibilities for coming clean only "part way" when LE knows "all", etc. etc. I just don't believe as a rule that lawyers act to the detriment of their clients for just no reason. There has to be something in it for the clients. Either immunity they need or something else (like my what if, above). The discovery of Caylee's remains and the house searches that followed seem to have evoked a response from the A's/their attorneys. They know every single item that was seized and they have the information to put them in context. And this is what they have said. We'll see.
...and I might add, it's not LE's job to make the A family comfortable. I think a lot of this on the defense's part is part of a greater plan, but I sure wish they'd stop the baiting and posturing. It will be what it will be. And good luck to them!
 
  • #63
In past threads, the possibility arose that the attorneys may be preparing the public for the family to refuse to testify against KC on the grounds of incriminating themselves. If the attorneys make it sound as though an arrest may be imminent, that would seem to bolster their need to plead the 5th. The real issue may be, once again, protecting KC. Or not.

I've wondered that too. If they do that will it cast enough doubt in the juries minds to cause reasonable doubt?
 
  • #64
Which spokesperson for LE appeared on NG?

The day they arrest people for playing video games is the day I toss my computer out to the road. Oh, will they arrest me for that too? Lee did NOT try to get find funds deposited in his Paypal account. He supposedly offered that option to someone of very questionable credibility when that person lied about having no other way to make a donation. Big deal. It was $5 whole dollars.

The fact is, no one here can state with certainty one thing that Lee has done that's illegal, but if people had their way he'd be stoned in the town square. That scares me, to tell the truth.
CW- "no-no" to the donation talk.

BTW...how do you know these things? Do tell (someday)!
 
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  • #67
In past threads, the possibility arose that the attorneys may be preparing the public for the family to refuse to testify against KC on the grounds of incriminating themselves. If the attorneys make it sound as though an arrest may be imminent, that would seem to bolster their need to plead the 5th. The real issue may be, once again, protecting KC. Or not.

They probably won't be called voluntarily, they will be subpoenaed. If they are subpoenaed they can't take the fifth during a felony case (statute posted yesterday). If they incriminate themselves their words cannot be used against them in building a case, but they can't take the 5th, they would be compelled to answer honestly or be guilty of perjury or held in contempt.
 
  • #68
They probably won't be called voluntarily, they will be subpoenaed. If they are subpoenaed they can't take the fifth during a felony case (statute posted yesterday). If they incriminate themselves their words cannot be used against them in building a case, but they can't take the 5th, they would be compelled to answer honestly or be guilty of perjury or held in contempt.


Could you point me to the thread with this statute, please?
 
  • #69
Which spokesperson for LE appeared on NG?

The day they arrest people for playing video games is the day I toss my computer out to the road. Oh, will they arrest me for that too? Lee did NOT try to get find funds deposited in his Paypal account. He supposedly offered that option to someone of very questionable credibility when that person lied about having no other way to make a donation. Big deal. It was $5 whole dollars.

The fact is, no one here can state with certainty one thing that Lee has done that's illegal, but if people had their way he'd be stoned in the town square. That scares me, to tell the truth.

No one from LE was on NG speaking about this matter, nor would they.

Lee's attorney did though, here is what he said ...

THOMAS LUKA, ATTORNEY FOR LEE ANTHONY: No charges are pending as of yet. What we are concerned with, however, is that here in Florida, the laws regarding tampering with evidence and obstruction of justice are extraordinarily broad, as opposed to other states. And because of that, there is some concern that some activities that -- that Lee might have been involved with during the investigation might have -- be seen by law enforcement to be misleading or to be in some way hindering the investigation. And that`s what we`re trying to make clear, that throughout this investigation, he has been cooperating fully.

Mr. Anthony is not -- did not throw anything out. In fact, he has talked to Casey several times in the jail at law enforcement`s request in the search for his niece. He has been fully cooperating with police, including giving a DNA sample.

LUKA: They have not yet issued him a subpoena for his trial testimony. That subpoena would give him immunity to anything he would say in a court of law. They have not -- the state attorney`s office has not issued a subpoena for him yet, and that is what troubles me, at least, as far as whether there might be charges on the horizon.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0812/29/ng.01.html
 
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  • #71
No one from LE was on NG speaking about this matter, nor would they.

Lee's attorney did though, here is what he said ...





http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0812/29/ng.01.html

So all these many threads and all the calls for Lee's head on a platter are based on his attorney saying that because of the broad laws in Florida, there's a possibility that Lee may have done something that could perhaps bring charges if LE decided to pursue it. LOL! Too darn funny.
 
  • #72
Which spokesperson for LE appeared on NG?

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The fact is, no one here can state with certainty one thing that Lee has done that's illegal, but if people had their way he'd be stoned in the town square. That scares me, to tell the truth.

Well, I'm glad you feel that way.

And I am abso-damn-lutely being sincere. I'm as serious as a heart attack. *Someone* has to retain some semblance of objectivity and fair play. 'Cause I sure can't.

Blaise
 
  • #73
However "broad" the Florida statute allegedly is, the statute controls what is criminal conduct under its terms. You either violate it or you don't, whatever the spin of your attorney or some avid sleuth is. Citizens don't get to decide that what they are doing is fine, though it's criminal under Florida law, and laugh it off or get offended if they get charged. If conduct isn't criminal, then you shouldn't be charged, and most likely won't be, just because a lot of people think it is less than ethical or appropriate. I don't personally know what he did or didn't do, but it seems clear that the family and LE are vying for position as this case moves toward trial. I think they should just cut to the chase and tell the full truth, without embellishment if their goal is to get the killer of Caylee brought to justice, even if it's Casey.
 
  • #74
Do Cindy and George work anymore? If not, I guess they need attorneys to handle their money and future holdings. One questionable activity is the plea for donations for the past 5 months. Set up multiple accounts, pay pals and start a kc defense fund, penning a name, all under the guise of searching for a "live" Caylee. Lee has exhausted all of his donations with his investigation...hmmm. Are phone calls that expensive? Gasoline prices are down...don't know but he probably also has hired an accountant by now before the IRS hits him.

Well, in my world, I let the police do their work...investigate crimes, as I am not qualified. This family has a deep rooted hatred of police. They do not trust them. I could say why but I would be banned. It goes along with their outlook on the world and their persuasion. They would not hesitate to use LE for protection but nothing else.

We have a saying in my family....If anyone needs attorney's services more than twice in a lifetime, it is time to sit down a take a serious look at your life. I think the Anthonys have used up all their coupons.

They are in this for the long haul and I suggest they will not work again but will find a way to support themselves through this tragedy. Personally, I don't care to read anything they write, and I have no use for anything they say. Others can sustain them in their new life plan.

All the attorneys are there to protect their interest (money). Conway is there also to help them look like a kinder and gentler family.. a task no one wants to take on but he is running for political office so he knows what to say to the public and this is a cause that can help him.

I don't think this is a "red herring". I think the Anthonys like having them around for protection, in case, the government comes along and questions them about their charities and income. They like talking to them and bouncing ideas off of them....makes them feel important...till they get the bill. The purpose it serves is to make themselves look like "victims" because of the big bad detectives.

If the lawyers can keep all three corraled, they may pull it off...IMO, not likely...Cindy will get loose sooner or later. :behindbar


Words escape me (you used ALL the RIGHT/GOOD ones) ......... so I'll just .....:clap::clap::clap:

Great, insightful post, Whisperer.
 
  • #75
I was listening to a LE interview w/LA again, and YES, it did sound like he had a "script" that he was following. Just droning on, no pauses or normal inflections to his voice. I wonder who, in the family, concocted this "script"? Had to be CA or KC.

How could anyone wirte a script? They wouldn't know for sure the questions LE would ask. I would put the lack of inflection down to depression because his sister is accused of murdering his niece. In interviews that I listened to, he was animated. Maybe he was having a bad day.

There is sooooo much supposition here. We don't know what evidence LE has and we don't know if LA is suspected of anything.
 
  • #76
  • #77
I really don't expect Lee or the A's to be charged with anything. I think the attorney is reacting to all the media speculation and trying to keep Lee convinced that he needs an attorney. Attorney's don't keep the money coming in by telling their clients they don't need
attorneys.

OK, CW, something is REALLY wrong! I, again, agree with you!
 
  • #78
Has LE announced that they're considering charging Lee with something? I hadn't heard that. Of course, as you know, I don't see where Lee or the As have crossed the line. There's not even agreement here on what, if anything, Lee did wrong, yet everyone is eager to see him hang for it...whatever it is.

I haven't heard any definitive statement that LA is going to be charged with anything.

I'm also kind of puzzled as to why all the speculation re: why he needs a lawyer. The whole family should each have a separate lawyer, since one of them is investigated for murder. It's the usual procedure.
 
  • #79
I don't see the cars parked there,can you lead the way? ;)

Go to the Parking Lot. The thread, "Allegations of Incest in the Anthony Family"....That's where all discussion of same is supposed to go.
 
  • #80
Creating confusion about charges to be filed by confusing pre-conceived notions is not unheard of. In this case, the goal might be to coax determination of the charges impending prior to the real charges being brought. I think charges are coming, but they won't be for what everyone thinks they are. If enough people are convinced as to what the impending charges will be, especially those people that infrequent the news involving Caylee, then the charges will have less titillation and token.

Of course, I have been occasionally harping about Lee based on my thoughts and this type of situation would only serve my vindication on those thoughts.

I still think Lee is culpable in the demise of Caylee via Casey's mental disintegration. I think Lee is her defense against death and life in prison.

Except KC is not legally insane, and LA has not been charged with anything.

If he IS charged, it is likely to be for obstuction of justice.
 

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