Israel - Palestinian militants launch massive attack, 7 Oct 2023 #10

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@Sundog how is Israel fighting for us all when they put doctors, nurses, and patients at risk?
IDF is not putting medical staff and patients at risk. Hamas has done that by building their operations centre beneath the hospital. IDF is doing everything they can to safely evacuate Northern Gaza, including hospitals.

Unfortunately, Hamas has commandeered ambulances to transport Hamas militants and their weapons. That means fewer ambulances for patients.

Israel is fighting for all of us. Hamas is an ISIS based terrorist organization, unrelated to religion, that is determined to terrorize, mutilate, maim, murder and incinerate anyone who does not agree with them. They are extremely dangerous mass murderers who, in any other country, would be incarcerated for life. In Gaza, they flourish.
 
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Anybody else concerned that if they let these babies get in an ambulance to Egypt - Hamas will bomb it and blame IDF?

I'm just beyond concerned.
Very very concerned. They would put nothing past booby trapping a baby, either. IMO
 
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I don't want to sound cynical, but it seems to me a "damage control" stunt.
PR wise.

But, of course, better late than never.

JMO
I think more than a month after the electricity was cut, never has already arrived.

JMO
 
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RSBM
Israel may have cut the power to Gaza, but I believe it's been proven Hamas commandeered the fuel.
The fuel wouldn't be needed if Israel hadn't cut the power.

JMO
 
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Ugh. I didn't even think of that.
The video of the Zaka worker I posted earlier, he said some of the bodies at the kibbutzim were booby trapped.
 
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3m ago / 7:48 PM PST

Offer of 300 liters of fuel to Al-Shifa hospital was meant to 'gain time,' IDF says​

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Jerry-cans with 300 liters of fuel were placed by entrance of the hospital, the IDF said, where staff say a lack of electricity has severely curtailed efforts.

“It wasn’t meant to make the hospital sustainable but just to gain more time, to help save more lives — to save lives of people in the hospital, specifically babies and children,” IDF spokesman Lt. Col. Peter Lerner said on social media.

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The IDF said that Hamas ordered hospital staff not to take it.

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3m ago / 7:48 PM PST

Offer of 300 liters of fuel to Al-Shifa hospital was meant to 'gain time,' IDF says​

[...]

Jerry-cans with 300 liters of fuel were placed by entrance of the hospital, the IDF said, where staff say a lack of electricity has severely curtailed efforts.

“It wasn’t meant to make the hospital sustainable but just to gain more time, to help save more lives — to save lives of people in the hospital, specifically babies and children,” IDF spokesman Lt. Col. Peter Lerner said on social media.

[...]

The IDF said that Hamas ordered hospital staff not to take it.

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On Sunday, the Israeli military said it put 300 liters of fuel at the entrance to the hospital complex, but claimed that Hamas had blocked the hospital from receiving it.

Abu Salmiya told Al Araby TV that staff had been too scared to go out to get it.

“We told the Israeli army that the 300 liters of fuel they offered is not enough to operate the hospital for 30 minutes,” he told CNN.

 
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The fuel wouldn't be needed if Israel hadn't cut the power.

JMO
And if Hamas had built power plants instead of weapons and underground utilities instead of tunnels Gaza wouldn't have been dependant on Israel for power. Imo
 
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On Sunday, the Israeli military said it put 300 liters of fuel at the entrance to the hospital complex, but claimed that Hamas had blocked the hospital from receiving it.

Abu Salmiya told Al Araby TV that staff had been too scared to go out to get it.

“We told the Israeli army that the 300 liters of fuel they offered is not enough to operate the hospital for 30 minutes,” he told CNN.

If the staff was too afraid to go outside and get the fuel, how did they expect to get it if they had received what they wanted--a tanker truck in the lobby??
 
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TEL AVIV — Israel and Hamas are close to a hostage deal that would free most of the Israeli women and children who were kidnapped Oct. 7, according to a high-ranking Israeli official. The agreement could be announced within days if final details are resolved, he said.
“The general outline of the deal is understood,” the Israeli official explained in an interview Monday, requesting anonymity to discuss the sensitive subject. The tentative agreement calls for Israeli women and children to be released in groups, simultaneously with Palestinian women and young people held in Israeli prisons.

 
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IDF is not putting medical staff and patients at risk. Hamas has done that by building their operations centre beneath the hospital. IDF is doing everything they can to safely evacuate Northern Gaza, including hospitals.

Unfortunately, Hamas has commandeered ambulances to transport Hamas militants and their weapons. That means fewer ambulances for patients.

Israel is fighting for all of us. Hamas is an ISIS based terrorist organization, unrelated to religion, that is determined to terrorize, mutilate, maim, murder and incinerate anyone who does not agree with them. They are extremely dangerous mass murderers who, in any other country, would be incarcerated for life. In Gaza, they flourish.
What safe evacuations? For those who tried to evacuate Shifa Hospital, they said it was a terrifying experience because the IDF opened fire on them multiple times. Oh and the hospital officials said the fuel provided by Israel is insufficient in any case.

Where is the evidence Hamas has an operations center beneath the hospital other than simulated illustrations and unverified recordings? I'm not pulling this out of my a$$ even the Associated Press is asking questions

Israel says Hamas is using Gaza's biggest hospital for cover. Hundreds of people are trapped inside
 
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TEL AVIV — Israel and Hamas are close to a hostage deal that would free most of the Israeli women and children who were kidnapped Oct. 7, according to a high-ranking Israeli official. The agreement could be announced within days if final details are resolved, he said.
“The general outline of the deal is understood,” the Israeli official explained in an interview Monday, requesting anonymity to discuss the sensitive subject. The tentative agreement calls for Israeli women and children to be released in groups, simultaneously with Palestinian women and young people held in Israeli prisons.

I want to be happy about this, but why " most of the Israeli women and children"?
ETA: If some are deceased, I'd want their bodies. Bring them  all home.
 
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If the staff was too afraid to go outside and get the fuel, how did they expect to get it if they had received what they wanted--a tanker truck in the lobby??

Abu Salmiya said it was the presence of Israeli tanks that prevented collection.
“Of course, my paramedic team was completely afraid to go out,” he said, adding, “We want every drop of fuel, but I told (the IDF) that it should be sent through the International Red Cross or through any international institution.”

 
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Abu Salmiya said it was the presence of Israeli tanks that prevented collection.
“Of course, my paramedic team was completely afraid to go out,” he said, adding, “We want every drop of fuel, but I told (the IDF) that it should be sent through the International Red Cross or through any international institution.”

So they basically wanted a third party to actually deliver it?
 
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TEL AVIV — Israel and Hamas are close to a hostage deal that would free most of the Israeli women and children who were kidnapped Oct. 7, according to a high-ranking Israeli official. The agreement could be announced within days if final details are resolved, he said.
“The general outline of the deal is understood,” the Israeli official explained in an interview Monday, requesting anonymity to discuss the sensitive subject. The tentative agreement calls for Israeli women and children to be released in groups, simultaneously with Palestinian women and young people held in Israeli prisons.

Touch wood!!!! :D
 
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What safe evacuations? For those who tried to evacuate Shifa Hospital, they said it was a terrifying experience because the IDF opened fire on them multiple times. Oh and the hospital officials said the fuel provided by Israel is insufficient in any case.

Where is the evidence Hamas has an operations center beneath the hospital other than simulated illustrations and unverified recordings? I'm not pulling this out of my a$$ even the Associated Press is asking questions

Israel says Hamas is using Gaza's biggest hospital for cover. Hundreds of people are trapped inside
BBM. ALL of the U.S. media are asking for proof--and have made it very clear in their coverage-- that they have received no proof whatsoever.

JMO
 
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So they basically wanted a third party to actually deliver it?

They were Israeli tanks and snipers outside. Someone got shot and died just for going near a window. They moved 600 patients away from the windows. I posted about this yesterday.


“It is dangerous for us, even the medical staff, to look out the window. We are so afraid of the shooting.” Amid fears of sniper fire, hospital staff have moved all 600 remaining patients away from the windows and into corridors deeper inside the complex.

The hospital, in the west of Gaza City, has already endured six strikes over the past two days as Israeli tanks and snipers closed in, Abu Sada [the head of surgery at al-Shifa] said, including one that struck an extension to the intensive care unit on Sunday.”

The Palestinian health minister, Mai al-Kaila, in the West Bank town of Ramallah, said 12 patients inside al-Shifa had died in the past two days. A drone was targeting people in the compound, she said, and staff were forced to leave at least 100 decomposing bodies in the hospital grounds because they have been unable to reach them. The rotting corpses were a potential health risk, she said, while staff had witnessed stray dogs tearing into the bodies.

 
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