Israel - Palestinian militants launch massive attack, 7 Oct 2023 #11

[Momoffourboys]

Thank you, I missed that info. Do we know how many were identified? We're they all in the same location?
Heartbreaking

So far, she is the only one identified.

 

[JennieM]

Israeli military says it has found body of hostage in Gaza City​

ReutersCopyright: Reuters

The body of Yehudit Weiss, who was abducted by Hamas during its attacks on 7 October, has been found close to Gaza's largest hospital, the Israeli military said.

In a statement, the Israel Defence Forces said her body was recovered by Israeli soldiers "from a structure adjacent to the Shifa hospital".

It said an "identification process" had been carried out and her family informed.
The statement said Weiss was abducted from her home in Be'eri, close to the border between Israel and Gaza.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/world-middle-east-67423274

 

[Momoffourboys]

The IDF says it has uncovered a Hamas tunnel in the Shifa Hospital complex. It publishes a video showing the entrance.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1725230439307128995

 

[Baby baby Jane]

I found the upthread discussion about "militant" versus "terrorist" interesting, as I have used the terms interchangeably. What do they have in common, and how are they different? Both terms rely on extreme, violent, confrontational methods to obtain political goals. One difference is that terrorists specifically target civilians.

That leaves me thinking that Hamas government soldiers are militant terrorists. Hamas soldiers are educated throughout their lives in government schools and they wear government military uniforms, have full access to government weapons, construct military operations centres beneath and near densely populated civilian infrastructure, and are financially supplied by the government. They are government militants who have been educated and trained to indiscriminately, violently attack soldiers and civilians.

militant: combative and aggressive in support of a political or social cause, and typically favouring extreme, violent, or confrontational methods.

terrorist: a person who uses unlawful violence and intimidation, especially against civilians, in the pursuit of political aims.

Many reports state that half of the Gaza population of 2.3 million is under the age of 18. That means that up to 1.15 million people have been educated by the Hamas government since 2007 to adhere to militant terrorist values of murdering civilians. Going forward, I think one of the most critical changes must be to teach the children of Gaza the difference between murder, and military defence. Only then will it be possible to minimize future destruction by Hamas ISIS militant terrorists.

It occurs to me that the leaders of all these militant-terrorists groups are in it for the money and power, which is same as everywhere, but this society is badly broken with no options. I suppose in an economy where there aren’t many opportunities to climb the corporate ladder that it’s the career. I supposed how people say boys join gangs in disadvantaged areas for protection and there’s “no jobs”. Hamas is like a gang really, and they recruit all the boys and if you aren’t into it, you are treasonous.

The rules if daily life in Palestine are strict and scary, like “treason” or “helping the enemy” are reported to punishable by death. Maybe why hospital standoff seemed unreasonable.

Once in power, they have access to aid money, charity donations, reselling donations meant for schools, children & poor. All that infrastructure diverted to tunnel building. Probably also running protection rackets etc.
In conclusion, they don’t want peace, build a nation, build an economy because that kind of system puts the Hamas types out of work. A situation like this probably has funds pouring in their their own fund raising.

 

[Momoffourboys]

IDF releases images showing a Hamas tunnel underneath Rantisi Hospital in the Gaza Strip.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1725230634379976994

 

[Momoffourboys]

The IDF says the near the tunnel in Shifa, troops found a Hamas pickup truck with weapons in it, similar to those used by the terror group in the October 7 attacks.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1725230443958546456

 

[Vern]

So far, she is the only one identified.

Did they announce that all four bodies removed were hostages?

 

[Momoffourboys]

IDF releases an image showing weapons discovered by troops in Gaza City's Al-Quds Hospital.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1725230588209123391

 

[Dotta]

"They throw accusations around. ​

Things are hot between Israel and Türkiye.​

Benjamin Netanyahu, Prime Minister of Israel, in response to the accusations of Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan, who called Israel a "terrorist state",
stated that Ankara is responsible for shelling villages in its territory and for supporting terrorists.

On Thursday, Turkey's Foreign Ministry refuted the accusations, saying Tel Aviv 'will not be able to cover up its crimes with baseless slander'.

Eli Cohen, Israeli Minister of Foreign Affairs, wrote on the X website:
'Those who welcome arch-terrorists and support terrorist organizations should not give moral lessons to the state of Israel'.

Ankara, in its official response, rejected Netanyahu and Cohen's accusations as 'baseless'.

The Turkish Foreign Ministry said the Israeli leaders' statements were a reaction to the
'inconvenient truth proclaimed by President Erdogan'.

'They will not be able to cover up their crimes with baseless slander',
the Turkish Foreign Ministry said.

'The instigators and perpetrators of crimes against humanity that have caused deep outrage among world public opinion will be brought to justice sooner or later'
it added."

Netanjahu odpowiedział Erdoganowi. Padły kolejne oskarżenia

Benjamin Netanjahu, premier Izraela w odpowiedzi na oskarżenia prezydenta Turcji Recepa Tayyipa Erdogana, który nazwał Izrael "państwem terrorystycznym", stwierdził, że to Ankara jest odpowiedzialna za ostrzał...

wiadomosci.wp.pl

From my country's MSM

 

[Leve]

A repost from yesterday (post 498):

Hamas chief Sinwar refuses to advance hostage deal talks while IDF is in Shifa hospital,
@ynetalerts reports. Sounds like Hamas is desperate to stop or slow down the Shifa operation.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1724910118150533147

I take it that the hostage deal wil not go forward until the IDF is out of Al Shifa hospital. The IDF is still operating there as today's volumnous posts show so expect any further hostage release will be awhile.

They announced today that they recovered the body of at least one of the Israelis held hostage by Hamas from the Al Shifa complex grounds last night. Other reports posted state that the IDF took "four" bodies away. If this hostage was one of those and three more hostages are the others, we may hear more announcements of their identities soon.

I think the IDF is going to be very thorough in searching and checking for any remains or living hostages within the hospital itself and the complex and it's grounds before they pull out.

This could be a while - that complex is huge.

Sounds like Hamas really, really doesn't want IDF anywhere near the hospital. I wonder what else they will find.

 

[Momoffourboys]

Did they announce that all four bodies removed were hostages?

I didn’t see the number announced. I only saw that they removed bodies. And I saw the message sent to hostage families. No number there either.

 

[JennieM]

Internet, phone networks collapse in Gaza, threatening to worsen humanitarian crisis​

[…]


The latest internet and telephone blackout threatens to last long-term. The main provider, Palnet, said it had run out of fuel to run the network, and Israel has barred entry of new supplies. Gaza’s fragile communication network has broken down multiple times during the conflict because of bombardment or shutdowns by Israel, but each time, Gaza authorities were able to quickly get it back working.

Previous blackouts have traumatized Palestinians, leaving them unable to call ambulances or reach dispersed family members to ensure they are alive amid the bombardment. Aid workers say it hampers humanitarian operations and hospitals. The blackout also largely cuts Gaza off from the outside world, making it even harder for international media to cover events on the ground. Some manage to keep up communications using satellite phones or SIM cards that reach the Israeli or Egyptian networks.

[…]

Under a communication blackout, Gaza’s 2.3 million people are cut off from each other and the world

Internet and telephone services have collapsed across the Gaza Strip for lack of fuel, the main Palestinian provider says, bringing a potentially long-term communications blackout.

apnews.com

 

[Cryptic]

Why did they do this?

Israel-Hamas war: Statues in honour of Yasser Arafat are destroyed in Tulkarm

At least two monuments to the former Palestine Liberation Organisation leader were destroyed in the West Bank town of Tulkarm. The move followed clashes between Palestinian gunmen and Israeli soldiers, which left seven militants dead.

news.sky.com

"They" might be Hamas or the Israelis

There has been a serious falling out between the PLO / Fatah (secular with a leftist spin. Arafat was even married to a Christian) and the later forming Islamacist based groups like HAMAS and Islamic Jihad.

Some of the rivalry is personality based- other components are control, beliefs that the PLO slowly selling out to the Israelis, and, of course..... not Islamic enough.

Or.... "They" could have been the Israelis using a military vehicle of some sort. If it was Israelis, one would wonder whether knocking down the memorials was spontaneous, or ordered by a senior commander. I would think "spontaneous". Such spontaneity, however, would not be helpful in the long run.

 

[Momoffourboys]

Hamas leader Ismail Haniyeh says in a televised speech (he’s not in Gaza), that Hamas “is rooted in its land and all those who try to change that will fail.” Haniyeh also thanked the other “hot resistance fronts” and says he “salutes the free people of the world who fill the streets and pressure on their governments.”(Yes, Hamas leader “salutes” all those liberals marching in western capitals).

https://twitter.com/x/status/1725230415965786139

 

[Momoffourboys]

IDF spokesman: Yehudit Weiss murdered in Gaza; at #AlShifaHospital, a truck loaded with weapons for the massacre was found

https://twitter.com/x/status/1725233399214805324

 

[Momoffourboys]

IDF Spokesman Rear Adm. Daniel Hagari says the military carried out two major strikes on Hamas underground infrastructure in the Gaza Strip this week. In one of them, a number of senior Hamas commanders were hiding, including Ahmed Ghandour, the commander of Hamas's northern Gaza brigade, and Ayman Siam, the head of Hamas's rocket firing array.In another underground site, Hagari says senior members of Hamas's politburo where hiding, including including Rawhi Mushtaha, Essam al-Dalis, and Sameh al-Siraj.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1725233385843331402

 

[Momoffourboys]

Translated from Hebrew by Google
IDF forces continue to operate and locate terrorist infrastructures in hospitals used by the terrorist organization Hamas; at the Shifa hospital, terrorist infrastructures, an operational tunnel shaft and a vehicle prepared for a massacre on 7/10 containing many weapons were uncovered.The full article >>

https://twitter.com/x/status/1725236355020587498

 

[Vern]

I didn’t see the number announced. I only saw that they removed bodies. And I saw the message sent to hostage families. No number there either.

I think it was JennyM who put up an article earlier that mentionned that the IDF took away four bodies.

I'll have to scroll back ... this thread is mooooovvvving quickly!

 

[Momoffourboys]

A Hamas terror tunnel and more weapons found at #ShifaHospital.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1725237652796903810

Did somebody say war crimes?

 

[dotr]

Israel says body of hostage recovered near al-Shifa hospital

Yehudit Weiss, abducted from Be’eri kibbutz by Hamas, found dead in building next to hospital after raid

www.theguardian.com

'The Israeli military has recovered the body of an Israeli hostage from a building near al-Shifa hospital in Gaza City, as soldiers continued to search the hospital complex after Wednesday’s early morning raid.

Yehudit Weiss, a 65-year-old woman, was abducted from the Be’eri kibbutz by Hamas militants during their attack on southern Israel on 7 October, in which at least 1,200 people were killed and more than 240 taken hostage. She had been undergoing cancer treatment.


“The body of Yehudit Weiss, who was abducted by the Hamas terrorist organisation, was extracted by IDF troops from a structure adjacent to the Shifa hospital in the Gaza Strip and was transferred to Israeli territory,” a spokesperson for the Israel Defense Forces said. “In the structure in which Yehudit was located, military equipment including Kalashnikov rifles and RPGs were also found,” the spokesperson added.'