Israel - Palestinian militants launch massive attack, 7 Oct 2023 #11

[Friday Fan]

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I keep seeing the population quoted. Brooklyn has 2.5 million people crammed on 97 square miles. Population density really doesn't mean much.

When the Palestinians elected Hamas in 2006, that's when they were shut down. Who said elections have consequences?

Also unlike the Indian reservations Palestinians get Billions in foreign aid. Billions.

Yep, that foreign aid is welfare. What do you think is gonna happen after this war is over?

 

[Brightchaser47]

Israel calls all the shots, not Gaza. Gaza has been on an Israeli blockade since 2005. It will be a welfare state after this instead of a terrorist run state. Israel is gonna be the one that will need to provide economic development. Gaza is part of Israel. It's not a country.

I get it, now...

 

[JennieM]

8 min ago

Hamas calls Israeli claims of finding tunnel shaft at Al-Shifa Hospital "baseless lies"​

From CNN's Abeer Salman

The Hamas-run government media office on Thursday denied it was using Al-Shifa Hospital as a command and control center — calling the Israeli claims "baseless lies."
Hamas accused Israel of giving "false scenarios, fabricated narratives, and distorted information" about the Al-Shifa Medical Complex," in a written statement.

Earlier on Thursday, the Israeli army released a video to back up its claim of uncovering a "tunnel shaft" in the grounds of Gaza's main hospital.

The video showed what appeared to be a hole in the ground surrounded by exposed sandy soil, broken bits of metal, and concrete scattered around it a short distance from a hospital building.

Calling the tunnel shaft claim a "ridiculous scenario," Hamas said it was all "part of a continuous campaign of incitement and deception that has been promoted for years" to justify Israel's wars against Gaza. "It is a failed attempt to escape future accountability and legal pursuit," the statement said.

The statement added that the Palestinian Ministry of Health "has repeatedly requested dozens of times from all institutions, organizations, international bodies, and relevant parties to form technical teams to visit and inspect all hospitals, in order to refute the false incitement narrative."

November 16, 2023 Israel-Hamas war

Israel released a photo and video of an alleged "operational tunnel shaft" it claimed was found in the Al-Shifa Hospital complex in Gaza. Hamas rejected the claim as "baseless lies."

edition.cnn.com

 

[Leve]

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Yep, that foreign aid is welfare. What do you think is gonna happen after this war is over?

I guess it's up to the Palestinians. They can continue to support and elect terrorists leadership or they can rebuild into a decent peaceful community.

I have no doubt they will be plenty money to rebuild. Hopefully it will include power plants, water plants, and such.

Like I said earlier, do the Palestinians hate Jews more than they care about their own future and children?

 

[Cryptic]

Also unlike the Indian reservations Palestinians get Billions in foreign aid. Billions.

For balance, so does Israel. 3.3 billion dollars in 2022 alone.

I am thinking that Uncle Sam's subsidies not only help keep the economy afloat, but also help Israel to avoid some tough decisions regarding Israeli policies on the West Bank.

How much aid does the US give to Israel? | USAFacts

Israel has received more foreign aid from the US than any other country since WWII.

usafacts.org

 

[JennieM]

4m ago
If you’re just joining us, here is where things stand: Internet and telephone services collapsed across the Gaza Strip on Thursday for lack of fuel, the main Palestinian provider said, bringing a potentially long-term blackout of communications as Israel signaled its offensive against Hamas could next target the south, where most of the population has taken refuge.

Israeli troops for a second day searched Shifa Hospital in the north for traces of Hamas. They displayed what they said were a tunnel entrance and weapons found in a truck inside the compound. But the military has yet to release evidence of a central Hamas command centre that Israel has said is concealed beneath the complex. Hamas and staff at the hospital, Gaza’s largest, deny the allegations.

A girl who fled with her family members from the Israeli bombardment of the northern Gaza Strip, hugs an older woman as they sit outside a makeshift shelter after overnight rainstorms in Khan Yunis in the southern Gaza Strip on 15 November 2023. Photograph: Mahmud Hams/AFP/Getty Images

The military said it found the body of one of the hostages abducted by Hamas, 65-year-old Yehudit Weiss, in a building adjacent to Shifa, where it said it also found assault rifles and rocket-propelled grenades. It did not give the cause of her death.

The communications breakdown largely cuts off Gaza’s 2.3 million people from each other and the outside world, worsening the severe humanitarian crisis in southern Gaza, even as Israeli airstrikes continue there.

The UN’s World Food Program warned of “the immediate possibility of starvation” in Gaza as the food supply has broken down under Israel’s seal and too little is coming from Egypt.

Gaza civilians ‘face immediate possibility of starvation’ – as it happened

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[Leve]

For balance, so does Israel. 3.3 billion dollars in 2022 alone.

I am thinking that Uncle Sam's subsidies not only help keep the economy afloat, but also help Israel to avoid some tough decisions regarding Israeli policies on the West Bank.

How much aid does the US give to Israel? | USAFacts

Israel has received more foreign aid from the US than any other country since WWII.

usafacts.org

True, but that's just the United States portion.

 

[Friday Fan]

8 min ago

Hamas calls Israeli claims of finding tunnel shaft at Al-Shifa Hospital "baseless lies"​

From CNN's Abeer Salman

The Hamas-run government media office on Thursday denied it was using Al-Shifa Hospital as a command and control center — calling the Israeli claims "baseless lies."
Hamas accused Israel of giving "false scenarios, fabricated narratives, and distorted information" about the Al-Shifa Medical Complex," in a written statement.

Earlier on Thursday, the Israeli army released a video to back up its claim of uncovering a "tunnel shaft" in the grounds of Gaza's main hospital.

The video showed what appeared to be a hole in the ground surrounded by exposed sandy soil, broken bits of metal, and concrete scattered around it a short distance from a hospital building.

Calling the tunnel shaft claim a "ridiculous scenario," Hamas said it was all "part of a continuous campaign of incitement and deception that has been promoted for years" to justify Israel's wars against Gaza. "It is a failed attempt to escape future accountability and legal pursuit," the statement said.

The statement added that the Palestinian Ministry of Health "has repeatedly requested dozens of times from all institutions, organizations, international bodies, and relevant parties to form technical teams to visit and inspect all hospitals, in order to refute the false incitement narrative."

November 16, 2023 Israel-Hamas war

Israel released a photo and video of an alleged "operational tunnel shaft" it claimed was found in the Al-Shifa Hospital complex in Gaza. Hamas rejected the claim as "baseless lies."

edition.cnn.com

It's all relative..LOL

If the shaft is just outside the hospital complex, then technically no. Also Shifa is like a campus, with grounds etc, it isn't just a building, so there are places all over the campus for tunnel shafts.

 

[Dotta]

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I guess it's up to the Palestinians. They can continue to support and elect terrorists leadership or they can rebuild into a decent peaceful community.

I have no doubt they will be plenty money to rebuild. Hopefully it will include power plants, water plants, and such.

Like I said earlier, do the Palestinians hate Jews more than they care about their own future and children?

These people live under blockade - they cannot leave this land and travel.
Some pretended to have cancer in order to leave Gaza and have "treatment" abroad, and never returned.

Extremists got power in Gaza Strip.
Ruled mercilessly.
Population lived in poverty.
Hopelessness reigned.

Is it soooo easy to overturn dictatorship?????

Let's tell how to do it to countries which still suffer under regimes.

It is soooo easy to ramble sitting in a comfortable armchair in a democratic country.

JMO

 

[Leve]

These people live under blockade - they cannot leave this land and travel.
Some pretended to have cancer in order to leave Gaza, and never returned.

Extremists got power in Gaza Strip.
Ruled mercilessly.

Is it soooo easy to overturn dictatorship?????

Let's tell how to do it to countries who still suffer under regimes.

It is soooo easy to ramble sitting in a comfortable armchair in a democratic country.

JMO

We were discussing after the war is over.


I'm glad to see you are thankful that Israel is helping the Palestinians overthrow the dictatorship.

 

[Dotta]

We were discussing after the war is over.


I'm glad to see you are thankful that Israel is helping the Palestinians overthrow the dictatorship.

I only want PEACE and PROSPERITY for ALL people in the region.

And for children to lead normal lives, just as any young people in Europe and other democratic countries.

Life is too beautiful and too short to squander it in senseless wars.

We will not have the chance to live again.

JmO

 

[Vern]

For balance, so does Israel. 3.3 billion dollars in 2022 alone.

I am thinking that Uncle Sam's subsidies not only help keep the economy afloat, but also help Israel to avoid some tough decisions regarding Israeli policies on the West Bank.

How much aid does the US give to Israel? | USAFacts

Israel has received more foreign aid from the US than any other country since WWII.

usafacts.org

It also helps the US maintain a pretty strategic ally in an entire region of dictatorships. USA funding to Israel isn't just for Israel's benefit. I believe, I could be wrong, that the US is also the major donor of funds going into Gaza.

I'm unclear whether or not the money going into Gaza (edit to add: & the West Bank) from the US is counted within the 3.3 billion figure you've given. Does your source specify?

Edit: I can't tell by the source link whether that funding to Israel includes what goes to Gaza (a part of Israel) or whether Palestinian Gaza's (Edit to add: & the West bank) is accounted for seperately.

Anyone?? Bueller??

 

[Brightchaser47]

The military said it found the body of one of the hostages abducted by Hamas, 65-year-old Yehudit Weiss, in a building adjacent to Shifa, where it said it also found assault rifles and rocket-propelled grenades. It did not give the cause of her death.

RSBM
She was taken hostage (alive), and found  deceased on the grounds of al-Shifa. If it is determined that she died of cancer, is Hamas "off the hook" for her death? I'm sure Hamas will see it that way.

 

[Friday Fan]

Is it soooo easy to overturn dictatorship?????

Let's tell how to do it to countries which still suffer under regimes.

It is soooo easy to ramble sitting in a comfortable armchair in a democratic country.

JMO

Amen to that! My grandfather and great grandfather ran away to the US. They had bounties on their head, because there was a new Sultan who was doing away with the old Sultan's reforms.


It's easy to sit behind a computer and critique other cultures.

 

[JennieM]

RSBM
She was taken hostage (alive), and found  deceased on the grounds of al-Shifa. If it is determined that she died of cancer, is Hamas "off the hook" for her death? I'm sure Hamas will see it that way.

If you are addressing the question to me, MOO this is on Hamas.

 

[Leve]

I only want PEACE and PROSPERITY for ALL people in the region.

And for children to lead normal lives, just as any young people in Europe and other democratic countries.

Life is too beautiful and too short to squander it in senseless wars.

We will not have the chance to live again.

JmO

Same here. I hope Palestinians rebuild Gaza into a decent and peaceful society. I believe that's exactly what I said.

 

[Friday Fan]

RSBM
She was taken hostage (alive), and found  deceased on the grounds of al-Shifa. If it is determined that she died of cancer, is Hamas "off the hook" for her death? I'm sure Hamas will see it that way.

She was found with the cache of weapons near that truck today. It says she was found in a building near al-Shifa. It all depends on who is talking though. The location varies.
I doubt if she died of cancer. She was just diagnosed.

 

[NoSpoonFeeding]

Yes, stateless now, but several nations have said they want a "two-state" solution.

What we and other nations "want" is irrelevant, as long as terrorists in that area claim that the only solution is the "final solution". They don't care what "Westernized" nations think. A select few nations can put pressure on terrorists to abandon their immediate goals and accept a two-state solution. But if the same beliefs are allowed to flourish, there will never really be peace because from time to time, someone will answer the call to kill Jews. When a religious conviction, that killing certain people is authorized, necessary, and celebrated, is tolerated, I don't see terrorists being contained by a two-state solution.

From the below article:

Hamas official Fathi Hamad said:
"Seven million Palestinians outside, enough warming up, you have Jews with you in every place. You should attack every Jew possible in all the world and kill them."

Hamas Official Condemned After Calling on Palestinians to Kill Jews

Fathi Hamad, a member of the movement's top political body, draws outrage from both Israeli and Palestinian officials as well as a U.N. envoy

www.voanews.com

 

[otto]

RSBM
She was taken hostage (alive), and found  deceased on the grounds of al-Shifa. If it is determined that she died of cancer, is Hamas "off the hook" for her death? I'm sure Hamas will see it that way.

She had just been diagnosed with breast cancer, so isn't it unlikely that the cancer killed her in 5 weeks?

 

[Momoffourboys]

RSBM
She was taken hostage (alive), and found  deceased on the grounds of al-Shifa. If it is determined that she died of cancer, is Hamas "off the hook" for her death? I'm sure Hamas will see it that way.

She was murdered in Gaza.

Hamas terrorists murdered hostage Yehudit Weiss in Gaza, says IDF​

https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/idf-says-hamas-terrorists-murdered-hostage-yehudit-weiss-in-gaza/