Israel - Palestinian militants launch massive attack, 7 Oct 2023 #11

[Dotta]

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They haven't been able to govern themselves for 17 years.

They are stateless.
Eternal refugees.
With no rights as citizens.
Half of them are minors and children.
They are trapped on this slip of land in area of one of the most populous places on Earth.

 

[JennieM]

8m ago

Israel has dropped leaflets into southern Gaza telling Palestinian civilians to leave four towns on the eastern edge of Khan Younis, raising fears that its war against Hamas could spread to areas it had previously said were safe.

The flyers told civilians in Bani Shuhaila, Khuza’a, Abassan and al-Qararathat anyone in the vicinity of militants or their positions was putting their life in danger, local people told Reuters.

Here’s our video report: [at link]

Gaza civilians ‘face immediate possibility of starvation’ – as it happened

This blog is now closed. Read our recent coverage at the link below:

www.theguardian.com

 

[Friday Fan]

Say what???

This is rich......But then I hear many real leaders say, "Will not tolerate" and it goes nowhere....

Did IDF get Deif's address?

https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/in-letter-to-hamass-deif-quds-force-chief-says-iran-will-not-allow-israel-to-defeat-it/

LIVE UPDATEFROM THE LIVEBLOG OF THURSDAY, NOVEMBER 16, 2023

In letter to Hamas’s Deif, Quds Force chief says Iran will not allow Israel to defeat it​

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By AP and TOI STAFFToday, 11:16 pm 0


Iran will not allow Israel to defeat Hamas in the Gaza Strip, the head of Iran’s expeditionary Quds Force writes in a message to the commander of the Hamas military wing.

However, Gen. Esmail Ghaani stops short of saying Tehran will join the battle in order to rescue Hamas.

Ghaani’s letter was addressed to Mohammed Deif, the shadowy leader of the Hamas military wing in Gaza, and was published by Iran’s state news agency IRNA.


Ghaani says Iran, the main Hamas sponsor, and its allies “will carry out all our duties in this historic battle” and will not allow Israel to “reach its dirty goals” of defeating Hamas.

He praises Hamas’s October 7 brutal assault, saying it showed Israel was “weaker than a spider’s web.” He adds that Israel retaliated with “unprecedented brutal war crimes” against civilians.

 

[MyBelle]

I guess the hostages are kept in groups.

I would be amazed if terrorists decided to free ALL at once.

They need these poor people for MANY reasons.

JMO

They have released 4 very much alive hostages and I'm betting the 50 they have offered to release are also very much alive.

JMO

 

[Friday Fan]

 

[Arkay]

I received an email from ZAKA-Tel Aviv since I donate to them.

I know we have had multiple, multiple video links here from ZAKA volunteers in Israel describing the atrocities they saw, as they are the ones who pick up the bodies.

I’m not certain that an email from their organization would still be considered an approved source, so I’ll state what was mentioned in the email and say that I'm unsure at this point if this is verified information.

The email claims that 200 bodies have been found in the hospital basement and the IDF is trying to ID them to see if they are hostages or Hamas.

Time will tell if this is true. IMO.

 

[MyBelle]

'Strong indications' hostages were at Al-Shifa hospital - Netanyahu​

Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu says there were "strong indications" hostages held by Hamas had been at Gaza's Al-Shifa Hospital.

It was "one of the reasons we entered the hospital", he says in an interview with CBS Evening News.

Israel has repeatedly accused Hamas of housing a major base underneath Al-Shifa - which Hamas denies.

Forces entered the hospital on Wednesday, but Netanyahu says that when they arrived, the hostages were no longer there.

"If they were [there], they were taken out," he says..

He says his government has "intelligence about the hostages," but adds "the less I say about it, the better".

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/world-middle-east-67423274

BBM. If that was one of the reasons, why did the IDF wait 40 days to look and how did Hamas know they would wait 40 days and then know they needed to move them? The PM isn't making any sense.

JMO

 

[Friday Fan]

I received an email from ZAKA-Tel Aviv since I donate to them.

I know we have had multiple, multiple video links here from ZAKA volunteers in Israel describing the atrocities they saw, as they are the ones who pick up the bodies.

I’m not certain that an email from their organization would still be considered an approved source, so I’ll state what was mentioned in the email and say that I'm unsure at this point if this is verified information.

The email claims that 200 bodies have been found and the IDF is trying to ID them to see if they are hostages or Hamas.

Time will tell if this is true. IMO.

Sometimes emails have "View in browser" option at the bottom.
The email then becomes a webpage. (But unfortunately, the recipients name is often in the header)

 

[Momoffourboys]

Say what???

This is rich......But then I hear many real leaders say, "Will not tolerate" and it goes nowhere....

Did IDF get Deif's address?

https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/in-letter-to-hamass-deif-quds-force-chief-says-iran-will-not-allow-israel-to-defeat-it/

LIVE UPDATEFROM THE LIVEBLOG OF THURSDAY, NOVEMBER 16, 2023

In letter to Hamas’s Deif, Quds Force chief says Iran will not allow Israel to defeat it​

​

By AP and TOI STAFFToday, 11:16 pm 0


Iran will not allow Israel to defeat Hamas in the Gaza Strip, the head of Iran’s expeditionary Quds Force writes in a message to the commander of the Hamas military wing.

However, Gen. Esmail Ghaani stops short of saying Tehran will join the battle in order to rescue Hamas.

Ghaani’s letter was addressed to Mohammed Deif, the shadowy leader of the Hamas military wing in Gaza, and was published by Iran’s state news agency IRNA.


Ghaani says Iran, the main Hamas sponsor, and its allies “will carry out all our duties in this historic battle” and will not allow Israel to “reach its dirty goals” of defeating Hamas.

He praises Hamas’s October 7 brutal assault, saying it showed Israel was “weaker than a spider’s web.” He adds that Israel retaliated with “unprecedented brutal war crimes” against civilians.

I guess they didn’t get Khamenei’s email from yesterday.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/report-khamenei-told-haniyeh-that-iran-will-not-directly-enter-war/

 

[otto]

The Gazans elected a party that had built NO infrastructure, that has stolen billions of dollars of aid, whose leaders all live in luxury hotels and yachts in other countries and who demand war AND recently came out and said they are not interested in ruling Gaza. And yet the people of Gaza still are behind them. It/when there is be a cease fire, I don't think the people of Gaza get a say. The Japanese after WW2 didn't get much say, the Germans didn't get much say. Were they all responsible for the horrors of the war? It didn't matter, they were held to account and there simply was no other way. Same here. there just simply is no other way. Gaza's surrender will have to be unconditional.

I completely agree. The October 7 massacre was a government operation (my opinion), so the Hamas government needs to be removed, all Hamas soldiers involved with the massacre need to be removed, and Gaza needs to be carefully governed by neutral, non-religious parties until they have a stable, civilized society.

 

[Teche]

3min ago

IDF shows video of forces finding rockets stored inside young girl’s bed​

A screenshot from a video provided by the IDF on November 16, 2023, shows rockets stored inside the bed of a young girl in Beit Hanoun, Gaza. (IDF/Screenshot)

The IDF announces that troops from its 551st Reserve Brigade discovered Hamas rockets stored inside the bed of young girl in a home in the Beit Hanoun city in northern Gaza.

In video footage, the Israeli military shows rockets kept in a storage unit underneath the bed in a bedroom with a “baby girl” sign on the wall.

Nearby the IDF shows a number of weapons it said it uncovered in the home, including missiles, explosive devices and explosive materials. The IDF said it destroyed the weaponry.

The military also publishes audio of what it says is an intercepted phone call between Palestinian Islamic Jihad terrorists about how they were transporting weaponry inside a stroller.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1725151783306113417

Why would parents allow rockets stored under your child’s bed? Kids are curious.

 

[Cryptic]

It/when there is be a cease fire, I don't think the people of Gaza get a say. The Japanese after WW2 didn't get much say, the Germans didn't get much say. Gaza's surrender will have to be unconditional.

WWII was agaisnt uniformed enemies and nations states. Thus, concepts like unconditional or conditional surrender apply.

The war in Gaza is against a guerilla / terror group. Unconditional surrender does not apply. Gaza could unconditionally surrender tomorrow and the war would not stop.

In the end, Hamas, the Taliban, the Viet Cong etc. simply don't do unconditional surrenders.

 

[Simply Southern]

They are stateless.
Eternal refugees.
With no rights as citizens.
Half of them are minors and children.
They are trapped on this slip of land in area of one of the most populous places on Earth.

It was one of the most beautiful places on earth, at one time.

I guess that's why I'm so upset Hamas has destroyed the land and created a terrorist organization, in this most holy land.

I've had a love for Gaza area since I was child, wanted to be Jewish, the chosen ones.(Baptist). I was fascinated by the stories of this beautiful promise land.
Years later became friends with a lady with family in Gaza. I loved her stories and photos, she would always say .....It's the most beautiful place on earth.

The world must fix this. Terrorist have no right to this land!!!
Moo

 

[MyBelle]

They are stateless.
Eternal refugees.
With no rights as citizens.
Half of them are minors and children.
They are trapped on this slip of land in area of one of the most populous places on Earth.

BBM. Yes, stateless now, but several nations have said they want a "two-state" solution.

Both Israel and Hamas are being investigated for war crimes. The slaughter of civilians in Gaza needs to come to an end.
JMO

https://www.cnn.com/2023/11/16/middleeast/israel-hamas-gaza-war-crimes-international-law-explainer-intl/index.html

Israel, however, has not ratified the first and second additional protocols, which were introduced in 1977 to cover areas like collective punishments and the use of new weapons. But since these provisions are considered a norm of customary international law, they are nonetheless binding on all states.

Some dispute whether international law applies to non-state actors like Hamas. But the State of Palestine – which is how the Palestinians are represented at the UN as a non-member observer – has acceded to the Geneva Conventions and its three additional protocols. Given this, Hamas – which governs a Palestinian territory – must comply with their terms. The State of Palestine is also a signatory to the Rome statute of the International Criminal Court (ICC), meaning Hamas leaders are accountable for war crimes.

 

[Simply Southern]

I received an email from ZAKA-Tel Aviv since I donate to them.

I know we have had multiple, multiple video links here from ZAKA volunteers in Israel describing the atrocities they saw, as they are the ones who pick up the bodies.

I’m not certain that an email from their organization would still be considered an approved source, so I’ll state what was mentioned in the email and say that I'm unsure at this point if this is verified information.

The email claims that 200 bodies have been found in the hospital basement and the IDF is trying to ID them to see if they are hostages or Hamas.

Time will tell if this is true. IMO.

My heart just breaks.

This may very well be the reason, IDF was invasive when the media drilled him about the number of bodies being removed. The media must have heard this, as well.
Moo

 

[Momoffourboys]

Hamas terrorist who paraded Shani Louk’s body has been killed by IDF and is ‘roasting in hell forever,’ rabbi says​

https://twitter.com/x/status/1725182415662985605

 

[Dotta]

"Russian invasion and the war with Hamas. ​

Ukraine and Israel are competing for deadly American drones.​

Two armed conflicts in which the United States plays an arms supplier role have disrupted support shipments.

While Israel and Ukraine's overall munitions needs differ, both countries needed American assistance.

And today, both Israelis and Ukrainians are trying to get the same drones.

Storing American weapons in Israeli warehouses allowed the US to ensure an uninterrupted supply of 155 mm missiles, which Western countries gave to Kiev's forces to fight Russian aggression.
Some of the missiles sent to Ukraine from American bases in Europe were replaced with ammunition from stockpiles in Israel.

This was possible thanks to agreements between Washington and the Israeli authorities: the US is placing weapons in this country
so that the Israelis are ready to repel possible attacks.
In total, the Americans provided Ukraine with about 2 million 155 mm shells.
Late last year, when Western producers were still unable to significantly increase production, Washington turned to South Korea and Israel for help.

The latter sent 57,000 missiles to American bases in Europe.

Today they are being transported back to Israel, which is conducting operations against Hamas,
a congressional aide and several U.S. officials told Bloomberg.

One drone, two wars​

Moreover, as reported by the American website DefenseScoop,
the Israelis asked the US authorities for 200 Switchblade 600 drones capable of piercing vehicle armor.

It is unclear how long the United States will consider the application and when possible deliveries could begin, DefenseScoop experts note.

The problem may be that
the same drones were also purchased directly from the manufacturer AeroVironment by Ukraine, Bloomberg adds.

The American army does not have a stockpile of unmanned aerial vehicles in its warehouse, which are used to attack armored vehicles and other well-fortified targets.

It is also not known whether AeroVironment has a sufficient number of ready-made Switchblade 600 drones or whether they will have to be produced."

Dwie wojny, jedne Stany Zjednoczone. Izrael i Ukraina konkurują o broń

Dwa konflikty zbrojne, w których Stany Zjednoczone odgrywają rolę dostawcy broni, zakłóciły dostawy ze wsparciem. Choć ogólne potrzeby Izraela i Ukrainy w zakresie amunicji różnią się, to oba kraje potrzebowały amerykańskiej pomocy. A dziś zarówno Izraelczycy, jak i Ukraińcy, starają się o te...

wiadomosci.onet.pl

From my country's MSM

 

[SouthAussie]

<RSBM>

Harris says Palestinians in Gaza are facing "rampant gastroenteritis", limited clean water, pouring rain, a sewage system that doesn't work, with huge numbers of people living in tents.

"You don’t have to be a public health expert to realise how disastrous this is," she adds, calling the situation "a perfect storm".

Yes, I think 'Blind Freddie' can see a disastrous humanitarian crisis developing. These displaced people just have nowhere else to go. It is not like Ukraine where other countries are taking in refugees while the war is ongoing. The Gazans are being sheperded into a smaller and smaller area so the tunnels can be destroyed (and the tunnels MUST be destroyed).

Such a hopeless situation for so many. The tragedy of being born and raised a Gazan, as opposed to being born and raised an Aussie or a Brit.

In an article I posted earlier about the tunnels, the IDF person said it will take months to find and destroy all the tunnels.

imo

 

[PrairieWind]

BBM. If that was one of the reasons, why did the IDF wait 40 days to look and how did Hamas know they would wait 40 days and then know they needed to move them? The PM isn't making any sense.

JMO

Well, they had to prepare and then mount a major invasion and THEN fight their way to the hospital, being slowed by the fact that they are trying to not just obliterate a civilian population against an enemy that doesn't mind hiding amongst civilians.

 

[Dotta]

WWII was agaisnt uniformed enemies and nations states. Thus, concepts like unconditional or conditional surrender apply.

The war in Gaza is against a guerilla / terror group. Unconditional surrender does not apply. Gaza could unconditionally surrender tomorrow and the war would not stop.

In the end, Hamas, the Taliban, the Viet Cong etc. simply don't do unconditional surrenders.

I wonder if there ever be a post of yours, with which I will not agree hahaha

Carry on, please.
It saves me posting that much