Israel - Palestinian militants launch massive attack, 7 Oct 2023 #11

[Momoffourboys]

Archaeologists sift through devastation to help families of Oct. 7 victims gain closure​

For weeks, archaeologists have been searching the burned homes of the Gaza border communities, using methods honed for historical excavations to help try to identify modern remains​

https://www.timesofisrael.com/archaeologists-sift-through-devastation-to-help-families-of-oct-7-victims-gain-closure/

 

[MyBelle]

For balance, this female Israeli soldier is what.... bravely fighting a 55 year old Palestinian woman while other soldiers weld her door shut. Hebron has alot of streets off limits to Palestinians and check points. Makes movement hard.

Evidently some kind of moving violation (get it, get it) led to the soldier's uhmmm..."mission".

Israel Palestine is a complex place.

According to this former Israeli soldier, the job of the Israeli military is to inflict as much fear and intimidation into Palestinian families. His experience was on the West Bank. It's sickening how the military treats Palestinian families, including children. His description of the use of "mock arrest" is especially harrowing and would be prosecuted in the U.S.

JMO
long article but worth the read:

https://www.npr.org/2023/11/14/1212836719/ex-idf-soldier-calls-for-international-intervention-to-stop-settler-violence

A former Israeli soldier calls for international intervention to stop settler violence​

It wasn't long after Ori Givati became a combat soldier in the Israeli army in 2010 that he began to question his mission.​

He spent much of his time not acting on specific security threats in the Israeli-occupied West Bank but making sure "all of the Palestinians feel like they cannot lift their heads up," he told Morning Edition's Leila Fadel.

Givati, 32, is now advocacy director for Breaking the Silence, a group made up of Israeli military veterans who are against their country's occupation of Palestinian territories. They collect testimony from former soldiers to educate the public on how the occupation is enforced.

While much of the world's attention including Givati's is on Gaza, where Israel has been waging a punishing response to the Oct. 7 attack on several Israeli communities, he is also alarmed by what's happening in the other Palestinian territory where he once served — the West Bank.

Settler violence aimed at Palestinians has surged and reached record levels there in the weeks since the war between Israel and Hamas broke out, according to the United Nations and several rights groups. Scores of Palestinians have been killed in the West Bank and more than a dozen Palestinian communities have fled in fear of attack in the last month alone, which is almost twice as many as last year. Yesh Din, an Israeli human rights group, says 90% of attacks are closed without an indictment being filed.

Givati says none of this is surprising...

...You don't have the order to stop violent settlers. What you do have orders for is to protect the Jewish community. We don't have orders as soldiers to protect everyone in the area. We have hundreds of testifiers. None of them said that they received an order to detain a settler attacking a Palestinian, even though it's the most simple order.

Occupying millions of people for decades means you control their everyday life. The first command I received as a soldier in the West Bank was to make all of the Palestinians feel like they cannot lift their heads up. We have to make sure that they know who's the boss. How do we do that? We make sure that all of the Palestinians cannot pass a day without understanding who is controlling them.

 

[Brightchaser47]

I honestly doubt the hostages were kept there.

Maybe at the beginning - for a day or two.

But later?
Nope.

I guess they are kept in small groups in places obscure (far away tunnels or even on the ground) - not so conspicuous as this hospital.

RSBM
I disagree. That hospital complex is huge. In my opinion, hostages could've been kept in the garden shed or a supply closet, and no one would know. Of course, I still think the upper level hospital staff is (at the very least) aware of this, if not complicit. jmo

 

[fred&edna]

I honestly doubt the hostages were kept there.

Maybe at the beginning - for a day or two.

But later?
Nope.

I guess they are kept in small groups in places obscure (far away tunnels or even on the ground) - not so conspicuous as this hospital.

And what about the hostage exchange deal??
With children and women?

The Sound of Silence

JMO

'Just curious... Why do you think hostages were there only at the beginning and only there for a day or two?

I don't think I've an inkling of how and where terrorists "care" for their hostages. Particularly elderly, rape victims, babies and the like.

 

[margarita25]

1 hour ago:

 

[Momoffourboys]

USCP Statement on the Unlawful Demonstration outside the DNC​

November 16, 2023
Press Release
Last night approximately 200 people gathered in front of the Democratic National Committee (DNC) headquarters to protest the conflict in the Middle East.
We have handled hundreds of peaceful protests, but last night’s group was not peaceful. The crowd failed to obey our lawful orders to move back from the DNC, where Members of Congress were in the building.
When the group moved dumpsters in front of the exits, pepper sprayed our officers and attempted to pick up the bike rack, our teams quickly introduced consequences – pulling people off the building, pushing them back, and clearing them from the area, so we could safely evacuate the Members and staff.
Six officers were treated for injuries, from minor cuts to being pepper sprayed to being punched.
24-year old Ruben Arthur Camacho of Woodbridge, NY, was arrested for Assault on a Police Officer after an officer witnessed Camacho slam another officer into a garage door and then punch the female officer in the face.
Last night our team was quick, decisive, courageous and in control.
When demonstrations cross the line into illegal activity it is our responsibility to maintain order and ensure people’s safety.

USCP Statement on the Unlawful Demonstration outside the DNC

Last night approximately 200 people gathered in front of the Democratic National Committee (DNC) headquarters to protest the conflict in the Middle East.We have handled hundreds of peaceful protests, but last night's group was not peaceful. The crowd failed to obey our lawful orders to move back...

www.uscp.gov

 

[Dotta]

RSBM
I disagree. That hospital complex is huge. In my opinion, hostages could've been kept in the garden shed or a supply closet, and no one would know. Of course, I still think the upper level hospital staff is (at the very least) aware of this, if not complicit. jmo

So....
Where are the rescued hostages???

Have you seen the photos of the successful rescue mission?

I haven't.

 

[margarita25]

2 hours ago:

 

[katydid23]

ITA. And, obviously, this cannot be stated often enough.

If their "final solution" efforts and their "river to the sea" death chant isn't stopped and silenced, everyone across the world must accept there will only be more death and destruction in the middle east AND BEYOND.

jmo

True, but I just don't think we will be able to silence their 'river to the sea' death chant. It is being heard in so many big cities within so many countries, including in Europe and the West.

Allowing the refugees from so many wars to enter all of these countries has just spread their dissatisfaction and agitation across the globe. Some may have joined their new destinations by working and joining society. But many have just become active dissidents and agitators looking to create chaos for their hosts. JMO

 

[Brightchaser47]

So....
Where are the rescued hostages???

Have you seen the photos of the successful rescue mission?

I haven't.

No, but two things here:
*They've only just started looking that place over
*They're not telling/showing us everything.

 

[Brightchaser47]

USCP Statement on the Unlawful Demonstration outside the DNC​

November 16, 2023
Press Release
Last night approximately 200 people gathered in front of the Democratic National Committee (DNC) headquarters to protest the conflict in the Middle East.
We have handled hundreds of peaceful protests, but last night’s group was not peaceful. The crowd failed to obey our lawful orders to move back from the DNC, where Members of Congress were in the building.
When the group moved dumpsters in front of the exits, pepper sprayed our officers and attempted to pick up the bike rack, our teams quickly introduced consequences – pulling people off the building, pushing them back, and clearing them from the area, so we could safely evacuate the Members and staff.
Six officers were treated for injuries, from minor cuts to being pepper sprayed to being punched.
24-year old Ruben Arthur Camacho of Woodbridge, NY, was arrested for Assault on a Police Officer after an officer witnessed Camacho slam another officer into a garage door and then punch the female officer in the face.
Last night our team was quick, decisive, courageous and in control.
When demonstrations cross the line into illegal activity it is our responsibility to maintain order and ensure people’s safety.

USCP Statement on the Unlawful Demonstration outside the DNC

Last night approximately 200 people gathered in front of the Democratic National Committee (DNC) headquarters to protest the conflict in the Middle East.We have handled hundreds of peaceful protests, but last night's group was not peaceful. The crowd failed to obey our lawful orders to move back...

www.uscp.gov

That's insane.

 

[justtrish]

The United States and several European Countries are reportedly discussing the Deployment of a Multinational Peacekeeping Force to the Gaza Strip which may include U.S. and NATO Troops similar to the KFOR Mission in Kosovo; these discussion are being had in the hope that this Deployment may allow Israeli Ground Operations in the Strip to Wrap-Up with this Force being seen as able to prevent Hamas from Returning to Power, but so far this has not yet been seen as Feasible.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1725330714877394966

I don't know how I feel about this. I am not a fan of US troops as "peacekeeping" forces when it's questionable if peace is actually the goal of the place they are deployed to. Just seeing how some in the US have reacted to this war leaves me feeling some type of way. Perhaps those protestors around the various cities in the US would love to sign up to be part of the "peacekeeping" force. Since they are so passionate about what is happening in Gaza, I'm sure they'd love to assist in a more meaningful way than rioting and causing chaos in our streets.

Edited to add: I want peace for Gaza and the Palestinian people. I do not trust that HAMAS or other terrorist groups won't be rooted in this location and others and never let peace truly be. How many support the ideas of what these terrorist groups want? It feels like a setup for nothing good to put servicemembers from the US and other European countries in these locations. It almost seems like it will provoke the terrorists further because they not only spew hate at Israel and Jews, but "death to America" has been said more than once. Iran has a lot to say also about US involvement. I just don't see anything good from it. I definitely don't see "peace".

 

[Brightchaser47]

I don't know how I feel about this. I am not a fan of US troops as "peacekeeping" forces when it's questionable if peace is actually the goal of the place they are deployed to. Just seeing how some in the US have reacted to this war leaves me feeling some type of way. Perhaps those protestors around the various cities in the US would love to sign up to be part of the "peacekeeping" force. Since they are so passionate about what is happening in Gaza, I'm sure they'd love to assist in a more meaningful way than rioting and causing chaos in our streets.

I'm not sure how good a rioter is going to be as a "peacekeeper", but hey...

 

[Dotta]

'Just curious... Why do you think hostages were there only at the beginning and only there for a day or two?

I don't think I've an inkling of how and where terrorists "care" for their hostages. Particularly elderly, rape victims, babies and the like.

Why do you ask me so strange questions?

I am a teacher in Europe, not a terrorist in Palestine.

And I don't keep hostages.

I simply stated my opinion.
Time will tell who is right.

But time is flying for these poor people.

 

[justtrish]

I'm not sure how good a rioter is going to be as a "peacekeeper", but hey...

Well it certainly would be an eye opener for them and they seem to need it. Let them use all that energy for something useful.

 

[Brightchaser47]

Well it certainly would be an eye opener for them and they seem to need it. Let them use all that energy for something useful.

True...

 

[Brightchaser47]

But time is flying for these poor people.

RSBM
This is very true. Israel is truly racing the clock to find them.

 

[MyBelle]

I honestly doubt the hostages were kept there.

Maybe at the beginning - for a day or two.

But later?
Nope.

I guess they are kept in small groups in places obscure (far away tunnels or even on the ground) - not so conspicuous as this hospital.

And what about the hostage exchange deal??
With children and women?

The Sound of Silence

JMO

BBM. I doubt they were there for very long at all because Israel cut the electricity.

JMO

 

[JennieM]

54 min ago

"The children are starving," Al-Shifa director says, describing desperate conditions inside Gaza hospital​

From CNN's Hamdi Alkhshali

The director of Al-Shifa Hospital on Thursday described a grim picture of the unfolding humanitarian crisis within the medical complex in the Gaza Strip.

In a phone interview with Al-Jazeera Arabic, Mohammad Abu Salmiya spoke of desperate conditions affecting over 650 wounded people, 36 premature babies, 45 kidney patients and 5,000 displaced people.

Abu Salmiya said some there were starving children.

“The children are starving – and here I mean the displaced children because they need milk and there is no water to make milk for them,” Abu Salmiya said.

He reported the death of a kidney patient, with four others on the brink of death due to critical conditions and the absence of dialysis for days.

Abu Salmiya accused the Israeli military of besieging the hospital, sabotaging sections and spending the last 48 hours freely roaming the premises.

On Wednesday, the Israel Defense Forces (IDF) said it had begun “a precise and targeted operation against Hamas in a specified area in the Shifa Hospital.”
Expressing frustration, Abu Salmiya held the world and the Israeli occupation responsible for the dire circumstances, urging immediate intervention.

The hospital resembles a large prison holding over 7,000 displaced people, medical staff, patients and wounded all while it is facing a severe shortage of essentials, the director said. The Israeli military assault has led to a complete breakdown of life-saving services, leaving the hospital incapable of providing for its inhabitants, he added.

November 16, 2023 Israel-Hamas war

Israel released a photo and video of an alleged "operational tunnel shaft" it claimed was found in the Al-Shifa Hospital complex in Gaza. Hamas rejected the claim as "baseless lies."

edition.cnn.com

 

[katydid23]

I'm not sure how good a rioter is going to be as a "peacekeeper", but hey...

Same could be said about a soldier though.