Hmmm... interesting.
So now I wonder... Does Hamas use these hostages as shields or are they considered a protected commodity for bargaining??
I guess you might be Dotta's new "splainer"... you'll have to ask for a tip
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Hmmm... interesting.
So now I wonder... Does Hamas use these hostages as shields or are they considered a protected commodity for bargaining??
I guess you might be Dotta's new "splainer"... you'll have to ask for a tip
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I'd like to know how, when, and where these Palestinians were being polled, when they've been evacuating, bombed, and without power, food, and water, and internet service was spotty, for weeks.
ETA: unless they were being interviewed as they were evacuating. And that's just what I'd want to be doing, during an evacuation-- taking a survey.
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"Splainer"???Hmmm... interesting.
So now I wonder... Does Hamas use these hostages as shields or are they considered a protected commodity for bargaining??
I guess you might be Dotta's new "splainer"... you'll have to ask for a tip
Geez
So...
To explain my post, although I thought it was obvious.
First day/s the hostages might have been kept in the hospital, or under it, for the simple reason to be treated medically.
Right?
And then taken to obscure places, as not to be found easily.
It is obvious that the hospital was under scrutiny of Israeli Army.
Please, leave poor Amigo @Cryptic out of this.
He has his own posts to send
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"Splainer"???
Geez
So...
To explain my post, although I thought it was obvious.
First day/s the hostages might have been kept in the hospital, or under it for the simple reason to be treated medically.
Right?
And then taken to obscure places, as not to be found easily.
It is obvious that the hospital was under scrutiny of Israeli Army.
Please, leave poor Amigo Cryptic out of this.
He has his own posts to send
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All that was obvious from your initial post?! Okey-dokey!
I shall move along.
Lack of supplies is forcing staff at Al-Shifa Hospital to make "harrowing" decisions, director says
From CNN’s Kareem Khadder and Eyad KourdiThe lack of medical supplies at the Al-Shifa Hospital is forcing staff to make “harrowing” decisions, the facility’s director, Dr. Mohammad Abu Salmiyah, told Al-Jazeera Arabic in a phone interview from inside the complex Thursday.
Medics have had to amputate patients’ limbs to prevent the spread of infection from wounds that go untreated due to the lack of resources, he said, and there is no medicine for children suffering from diarrhea and vomiting.
Damage from raid: Al-Shifa is at the center of an ongoing Israeli military raid that started in the early hours of Wednesday morning.
Abu Salmiyah said medical equipment in the MRI, CT and X-ray departments had been destroyed in the raid, as had the pharmacy, and the hospital was still completely dark due to the lack of electricity. More than 7,000 people were still trapped inside, he added.
November 16, 2023 Israel-Hamas war
Israel released a photo and video of an alleged "operational tunnel shaft" it claimed was found in the Al-Shifa Hospital complex in Gaza. Hamas rejected the claim as "baseless lies."
Thanks for that article! I'm shocked at how long this has been allowed to go on. Decades. Not just in Gaza but also the West Bank. I was reading some of the testimonials from the former Israel military members. smh Breaking the Silence
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That .8 % that doesn't hate America must be that one guy in the video who shouted from his rooftop, " America save us". Remember that?
DISEASE WILL START SPREADING IN GAZA IF ISRAEL KEEPS WATER CUT OFF, RIGHTS GROUP WARNS
NEW YORK — Waterborne infectious diseases like cholera and typhoid will soon start spreading though Gaza because people don’t have access to clean water, Human Rights Watch said Thursday.Israel imposed a siege on Gaza after the Oct. 7 Hamas attack, severing the crowded strip’s access to water, power and fuel. A limited amount of water now comes in through Israel and Egypt but most people must drink from the local water supply — 96% of which is “unfit for human consumption,” according to the U.N.
“The lack of clean water is resulting in ‘grave concerns’ by public health experts of an imminent infectious disease outbreak in Gaza,” Human Rights Watch said in a statement. The New York-based group called on Israel to immediately end its blockade of Gaza.
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Over 4,000 liters of water and 1,500 ready-made meals have been provided to Shifa Hospital by the IDF. The well-being of civilians, including patients and staff, remains a priority.
JOURNALISM WATCHDOG IS ‘DEEPLY CONCERNED’ ABOUT GAZA COMMUNICATIONS BLACKOUT
NEW YORK — The Committee to Protect Journalists has expressed “grave concern” over the collapse of internet and phone networks in Gaza and called on Egypt and Israel to allow fuel to enter the besieged territory.The New York-based media freedom organization said in a statement that the communications blackout caused by the lack of fuel in Gaza poses “an extreme risk to the lives of journalists reporting in Gaza and their coverage.”
“By withholding fuel from Gaza, the Israeli government is preventing journalists in Gaza from providing the world with updates on the war, leaving the international community vulnerable to deadly propaganda, disinformation, and misinformation,” said Sherif Mansour, CPJ’s Middle East and North Africa program coordinator.
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UNITED NATIONS SAYS HUMANTARIAN CRISIS DEEPENS AS FOOD, WATER AND FUEL ARE ALL RUNNING OUT
UNITED NATIONS – Nearly every single person in the Gaza Strip doesn’t have enough food, and more than two out of every three people don’t have clean drinking water, the U.N. said Thursday.Humanitarian aid deliveries to the besieged territory through the Rafah border crossing will not take place on Friday because internet and telephone services have collapsed across Gaza for lack of fuel, the U.N. agency for Palestinian refugees said.
“We have seen fuel and food and water and humanitarian assistance being used as a weapon of war,” Juliette Touma, UNRWA communications director, told reporters in Amman, Jordan.
“Children are pleading for a sip of water and a piece of bread” at the 153 UNRWA facilities now jammed with 800,000 displaced Palestinians, she said.
Touma said UNRWA can’t operate because it has no fuel, and “It is simply outrageous that humanitarian agencies are reduced to begging for fuel.” Israel did provide UNRWA with limited fuel this week but only for the delivery of food, she said.
“Today Gaza look looks like it’s been hit by an earthquake — except it’s man-made and it could have been totally avoided,” she said. “We have just witnessed in the past week, the largest displacement of Palestinians since 1948.”
Abeer Etefa, a Mideast regional spokesperson for the U.N. World Food Program, said dehydration and malnutrition are increasing rapidly with only 10% of needed food supplies entering Gaza, and the “massive food gap” is growing while nearly the entire 2.2 million people in the territory need food.
“People are facing the immediate possibility of starvation,” she said, speaking from Cairo. “The existing food systems in Gaza are basically collapsing.”
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I'd like to know how, when, and where these Palestinians were being polled, when they've been evacuating, bombed, and without power, food, and water, and internet service was spotty, for weeks.
ETA: unless they were being interviewed as they were evacuating. And that's just what I'd want to be doing, during an evacuation-- taking a survey.
According to page 5 of the polling tables, around 60% of respondents are in the West Bank. So not only Gazans.
Just edited my original post to clarify. Sorry for the confusion!
IRAN SAYS IT WON’T LET ISRAEL DEFEAT HAMAS, BUT STOPS SHORT OF PROMISING TO ENTER THE CONFLICT
BEIRUT – Iran will not allow Israel to defeat Hamas in the Gaza Strip, the head of Iran’s expeditionary Quds Force wrote in a message to the commander of the Hamas military wing.However, Gen. Esmail Ghaani stopped short of saying that Tehran will join the battle in order to rescue Hamas.
In six weeks of war, Israel has largely taken control of the northern Gaza Strip, seen as the Hamas power base, while pushing most of the civilian population to the southern part. Israel has vowed to keep fighting until Hamas is crushed.
The war was triggered by Hamas’ deadly Oct. 7 attack on southern Israel.
Ghaani’s letter was addressed to Mohammed Deif, the shadowy leader of the Hamas military wing in Gaza and was published by Iran’s state news agency IRNA.
Ghaani said Iran, the main Hamas sponsor, and its allies “will carry out all our duties in this historic battle” and will not allow Israel to “reach its dirty goals” of defeating Hamas.
Ghaani was referring to Iran-backed groups in the region, including Lebanon’s Hezbollah and Yemen’s Houthi rebels who have attacked Israel with drones and missiles over the past weeks. He was also referring to Iraq’s militants who have claimed responsibility for dozens of attacks against bases housing U.S. troops in Iraq and Syria.
Ghaani praised the Oct. 7, attack, saying it showed Israel was “weaker than a spider’s web.” He added that Israel retaliated with an “unprecedented brutal war crimes” against civilians.
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HEZBOLLAH DOES NOT WANT A WIDER WAR WITH ISRAEL, FORMER LEBANESE OFFICIAL SAYS
BEIRUT – A former top Lebanese security official who has served as a conduit between the United States and Hezbollah said Thursday that at this stage the Lebanese militant group is not interested in widening its limited cross-border conflict with Israel.Abbas Ibrahim, a former head of Lebanon’s General Security, said that as long as Hamas is able to confront the Israeli army in the Gaza Strip, “the situation will remain at the current level of tension” on the Lebanese front.
Hezbollah and Israeli forces have regularly exchanged missiles and shelling but have largely avoided killing civilians or taking other actions that would provoke a major response from the other side.
However, the situation could escalate inadvertently, he said. “If we continue with this degree of tension it will certainly lead to bad calculations and a war will happen.”
Ibrahim said that U.S. officials had passed messages through him to Hezbollah urging it “not to drag Lebanon into this war,” including during a visit to Beirut last week by Amos Hochstein, a senior adviser to U.S. President Joe Biden.
Hezbollah has not sent messages of its own to the U.S. in response, Ibrahim said.
Ibrahim has frequently served as a mediator on sensitive issues, including the release of Westerners held in Syria and the talks that led to last year’s landmark maritime border demarcation agreement between Lebanon and Israel. Since the outbreak of the Israel-Hamas war six weeks ago, he has also been involved in talks on evacuating dual nationals from Gaza and on the issue of emergency humanitarian truces and the exchange of civilian hostages held in Gaza for Palestinian prisoners in Israel.
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AT LEAST 11,470 PALESTINIANS KILLED IN GAZA, HEALTH MINISTRY SAYS, MOSTLY FROM ISRAELI STRIKES
RAMALLAH, West Bank — The Palestinian health authorities said Thursday that 11,470 Palestinians have been killed in the Gaza Strip since the Israel-Hamas war broke out six weeks ago.The vast majority have been killed in Israeli airstrikes. The ministry said 4,707 of the dead were children and minors and that 3,155 were women. The ministry does not differentiate between combatants and civilians.
In recent days, the Palestinian Health Ministry in the Wes Bank has started updating the Gaza death toll.
Until last week, the Health Ministry in Hamas-run Gaza was the main official source for the Palestinian death toll. It stopped publishing updates after key ministry officials based in Gaza City’s Shifa Hospital lost electricity and connectivity. Israel troops stormed Shifa on Wednesday and were still searching the large medical complex Thursday.
Hamas runs the Gaza Strip while its political rival, the internationally recognized Palestinian Authority, runs parts of the occupied West Bank. But the health and education ministries in the two territories continue to cooperate.
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CALIFORNIA PROTESTS DEMAND CEASE-FIRE AND BLOCK TRAFFIC AS BIDEN AND WORLD LEADERS MEET
SAN FRANCISCO — At least 50 protesters calling for a cease-fire in Gaza were detained and arrested Thursday after shutting down all lanes of a major bridge into San Francisco.The protest comes as U.S. President Joe Biden, world leaders and CEOs gathered in the city for the Asia-Pacific Economic Cooperation leaders’ conference.
At least 15 vehicles were towed after protesters parked on the bridge and threw their keys into the sea shortly before 8 a.m., disrupting the morning commute, said California Highway Patrol division chief Ezery Beauchamp at a news conference on Bay Bridge. He said more arrests were expected.
Protest organizers say 200 people took part. Photos provided by organizers showed demonstrators on the ground with white sheets over their bodies as part of a “die-in.” Aisha Nizar with the Palestinian Youth Movement said in the statement that Biden was “hosting cocktail parties in San Francisco” while thousands of people were being killed in Gaza.
Beauchamp said the highway patrol supports free speech rights but not a traffic shutdown that could prevent emergency vehicles from crossing the bridge.
“This is the wrong way to do it,” he said. “This is 100% wrong, it’s unacceptable and it’s illegal.”
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I am thinking both.So now I wonder... Does Hamas use these hostages as shields or are they considered a protected commodity for bargaining??
I guess you might be Dotta's new "splainer"... you'll have to ask for a tip
Israel has been known to trade imprisoned Palestinian militants at 100:1 (or more) to free an Israeli civilian hostage, or captured soldier. So, the bargaining object is very likely a good motivation.
Hostages would also make good shields as well- especially when Hamas had 200 of them- and thus if some are killed while "shielding" Hamas will still have more than enough to bargain with.
And.... it might get more complex as there is a possibility that not all hostages are held by Hamas. Several smaller groups joined in the attack as well. Likewise, there were lone wolves and small wolf packs once Hamas opened the attack up to "anybody with a rifle".
Hamas probably serves as the terror "God Father" for the smaller groups and wolf packs and may have ordered that all hostages be given to them. But... who knows whether such an order would be obeyed 100% ? Lone wolves / small wolf packs might not be interested in prisoner swaps. Rather, they could be thinking "cash only".
As for requesting tips from @Dotta for explaining her English....
That sounds like a good idea
. But.... she might be my long lost third cousin from Gdansk or Pomerania. So, I will probably help for free. 
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WORLD MUST CONVINCE ISRAEL TO LET FUEL INTO GAZA, TELECOM CHIEF SAYS
RAMALLAH, West Bank — The general manager of Palestine Telecommunications Company, Paltel, said he has urged international bodies to persuade Israel to allow fuel to enter Gaza in order to restore phone and internet to the besieged enclave.“We asked all international bodies to intervene with Israel in order to allow the entry of fuel,” Abdulmajeed Melhem told The Associated Press.
Earlier Thursday, Paltel announced that all communication services — landlines, mobile phones and internet connections — were down due to a lack of fuel.
“Since the outbreak of the war, there has been no electricity, therefore we have relied on alternative sources to operate the generators,” Melhem said. “If they (Israel) allow the entry of fuel, this problem will be solved.”
Until this week, Israel had completely prohibited fuel from going in to Gaza, fearing it could be commandeered by Hamas. But on Wednesday the Israeli government allowed the U.N. agency for Palestinian refugees to receive 23,000 litres (6,076 gallons) of fuel, but under the restriction that it be used only for vehicles delivering aid.
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UN AGENCIES, HUMANITARIAN GROUPS OBJECT TO GAZA SAFE ZONE UNLESS ALL SIDES AGREE
GENEVA — The heads of nearly 20 U.N. agencies and international humanitarian groups are speaking out against the creation of a possible “safe zone” in Gaza unless all sides agree and the right conditions for one are established.The call comes as the Israeli army has presented an area in southern Gaza called Muwasi, which is only a couple of square kilometers in size, as a safe zone. It would not be targeted by airstrikes and could be a destination for humanitarian aid.
“Under the prevalent conditions, proposals to unilaterally create ‘safe zones’ in Gaza risk creating harm for civilians, including large-scale loss of life, and must be rejected,” said the heads of the U.N. health, migration, refugee, humanitarian aid and children’s agencies, and groups including Mercy Corps, Save the Children and Care International.
The army has not provided details about how some 2 million people in Gaza would fit into such a small area, and agencies have pushed back against the idea. Meanwhile, army leaflets dropped in southern Gaza have urged people to move.
“Without the right conditions, concentrating civilians in such zones in the context of active hostilities can raise the risk of attack and additional harm,” the signatories said. “No ‘safe zone’ is truly safe when it is declared unilaterally or enforced by the presence of armed forces.”
The 18 organizations noted the “mass displacement” already of some 1.6 million people in Gaza.
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BBM. Of course that is Israel's goal! Fortunately, the world's media--and the world's leaders--are on to them!JOURNALISM WATCHDOG IS ‘DEEPLY CONCERNED’ ABOUT GAZA COMMUNICATIONS BLACKOUT
NEW YORK — The Committee to Protect Journalists has expressed “grave concern” over the collapse of internet and phone networks in Gaza and called on Egypt and Israel to allow fuel to enter the besieged territory.
The New York-based media freedom organization said in a statement that the communications blackout caused by the lack of fuel in Gaza poses “an extreme risk to the lives of journalists reporting in Gaza and their coverage.”
“By withholding fuel from Gaza, the Israeli government is preventing journalists in Gaza from providing the world with updates on the war, leaving the international community vulnerable to deadly propaganda, disinformation, and misinformation,” said Sherif Mansour, CPJ’s Middle East and North Africa program coordinator.
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