Israel - Palestinian militants launch massive attack, 7 Oct 2023 #11

[Brightchaser47]

Page 5 of the Survey.

Sample size is 277 for Gaza Strip and 391 of the West Bank.

A total of 668 people were interviewed.

That's a pretty small sample.

 

[Momoffourboys]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1725363720036254006

Cowards. Hiding in tunnels.

 

[Dotta]

Dbm

 

[otto]

But Hamas are terrorists.
And probably don't care.

Why to accuse regular Palestinians and starve them???

Is it their fault that leaders are in another country in this four seasons hotel?

In a bar??

Really,
does anybody accuse citizens of regimes?
Or feel pity for them?

JMO

I have seen a lot of livestream and photos coming out of Gaza since the start of the war and I have yet to see anyone who looks even remotely hungry or thirsty. Not that long ago, people in the humanitarian zone in Gaza threw food they received from Russia onto the ground, treated it as garbage and refused to eat it because the cookies had expired. I don't think anyone is hungry or thirsty in Gaza. I think organizations like the UN, WHO and others are dramatizing the situation for unknown reasons.

 

[Brightchaser47]

Cowards. Hiding in tunnels.

They're finding senior commanders, now. No wonder the hostage negotiations are warming up.

 

[NoSpoonFeeding]

But it is the removal of Palestinian life that the world is witnessing, now, in actual real terms. But let’s not talk about that.

There is no "but" when discussing option #3, River to the Sea, it represents hundreds of years of various peoples calling for the removal of the Jewish people from existence. In this specific use, it means using a religious belief of permissible, celebrated and rewarded slaughter. We are not witnessing a joyful torture and removal of Palestinian life. It is a war and Hamas must be removed, not Palestinian life, which could easily have already been accomplished by carpet bombing and snipers. Did everyone in the hospital get killed when they took out the Hamas terrorist hiding there?

 

[Brightchaser47]

I have seen a lot of livestream and photos coming out of Gaza since the start of the war and I have yet to see anyone who looks even remotely hungry or thirsty. Not that long ago, people in the humanitarian zone in Gaza threw food they received from Russia onto the ground, treated it as garbage and refused to eat it because the cookies had expired. I don't think anyone is hungry or thirsty in Gaza. I think organizations like the UN, WHO and others are dramatizing the situation for unknown reasons.

I have to agree with you. (And expired cookies? That's just wrong.)

 

[katydid23]

But Hamas are terrorists.
And probably don't care.

Right. But these are THEIR people. The people they are supposedly committing terroristic acts for.
Hamas swears they are doing all of this in support of their people. If so, why not give them food and water and move their munitions away from the schools and hospitals?

Why to accuse regular Palestinians and starve them???

According to recent polls, 75% of the population supported the Oct 7th massacre.

Hamas has food. They could feed their starving people if they want to. They don't want to because they want to blame Israel.

Is it their fault that leaders are in another country in this four seasons hotel?

In a bar??

Yes, because they voted for Hamas and they support Hamas still. They put up with this nonsense.

Did you see the people in Gaza dancing and cheering when Hamas dragged the Israeli hostages back with them? It was disgusting.

Their leaders know they can get away with their gross lavish lifestyle because no one does anything about it. The people support their leaders and take orders from them.

Really,
does anybody accuse citizens of regimes?
Or feel pity for them?

JMO

I did feel pity but feel less so after seeing them cheer and cat call when young girls bodies were hanging off Hamas jeeps. They are supporting this massacre and the attitude that Jews must die.

So this is what happens in return for that energy. If you allow terrorists to build their headquarters under the schools and hospitals, then what do they think is going to happen?

Is Israel supposed to just let that continue forever?

 

[MyBelle]

Flights to Israel are waitlisted. They are packed. So much so, that United is resuming flights to help. Flights leaving Israel are empty. You can get an entire airplane to yourself.

Really? That isn't what the airlines are saying:
JMO

Airlines are feeling the impact of the Israel-Hamas war, with bookings already hit

In the days following the Oct. 7 terrorist attack, flight bookings to the Middle East plunged, according to ticketing data.

www.cnbc.com

POINTS

• Airlines have seen a drop in bookings in the weeks following the start of Israel’s war against Hamas in the Gaza Strip, and some expect it to cut into their future profits.
• In the days after the Oct. 7 terrorist attack, major airlines suspended or reduced flights to Israel’s Ben Gurion Airport in Tel Aviv.
• But air travel demand to and from other countries and regions has been noticeably affected, too.

 

[JennieM]

It's true. There are videos of the Hamas leaders living in the lap of luxury. They are billionaires. Why don't they send some money and supplies to their starving people?

I guarantee you there is gas and food and water right underneath the hospital, reserved for the terrorists to use.

Why did Hamas go to the civilians homes in Israel and coming these atrocities in the first place. They brought this on themselves.

They raped, killed and pillaged then scurried back to hide under mosques and hospitals, using their suffering people as shields.

Israel does not need to keep allowing this to happen. They have pushed so far into Gaza already that they cannot turn back until they destroy the munitions and tunnels. It may take awhile but there is no turning back.

I don’t doubt you Katy. But as a world we do have a responsibility and hopefully also a morality to act when things get out of hand. With almost 5000 children dead in just over 3 weeks’ time and with another 1500 children missing and presumed dead, with no end in sight, it’s probably time to admit it’s out of hand.

 

[otto]

They're finding senior commanders, now. No wonder the hostage negotiations are warming up.

That's an interesting idea ... if the top Hamas leaders are arrested or killed in battle, that leaves lower level Hamas in charge. We know from testimony about October 7 that no one knew exactly what they were doing until that morning, and they were given specific instructions about where to go without knowing what others were doing.

If lower level terrorists are not receiving instructions, and they're sitting there with a group of 10-12 hostages, they might reconsider their options. If they are caught with 10 hostages, they are in prison for the remainder of their lives. If they give up the hostages, they might not only receive a reward, but their punishment might be lenient.

Perhaps IDF need to reiterate their generous offer of financial reward for anyone who provides the location of hostages to IDF.

 

[Momoffourboys]

Yonatan Gonen



@GonenYonatan

A very powerful testimony from a Gazan patient in Shifa hospital:“When I went to Shifa hospital, Qassam (Hamas) fighters were all around us:Next to us.In front of us.Behind usOver and under us.Every Palestinian knows Shifa is full of them, but nobody can talk. Isn’t that forbidden by Islam?”

https://twitter.com/x/status/1725278229848584421

 

[katydid23]

Page 5 of the Survey.

Sample size is 277 for Gaza Strip and 391 of the West Bank.

A total of 668 people were interviewed.

so 208 people of the 277 were in favour of the 10/7 Massacre.

And 293 people of the 391 were in support of the massacre.

501 of the 668 people polled were in favour of Hamas raping and killing families in Israel.


I think I'd rather be in my home trying to scrape together food and water, and hiding in bomb shelters, than having groups of armed invaders coming into my house and raping my daughters, torturing my sons, and taking my parents away as hostages to Gaza.

 

[Brightchaser47]

That's an interesting idea ... if the top Hamas leaders are arrested or killed in battle, that leaves lower level Hamas in charge. We know from testimony about October 7 that no one knew exactly what they were doing until that morning, and they were given specific instructions about where to go without knowing what others were doing.

If lower level terrorists are not receiving instructions, and they're sitting there with a group of 10-12 hostages, they might reconsider their options. If they are caught with 10 hostages, they are in prison for the remainder of their lives. If they give up the hostages, they might not only receive a reward, but their punishment might be lenient.

Perhaps IDF need to reiterate their generous offer of financial reward for anyone who provides the location of hostages to IDF.

I think so. I'm sure some of those captors are probably getting antsy. I still say they don't all want to become martyrs.

 

[MyBelle]

so 208 people of the 277 were in favour of the 10/7 Massacre.

And 293 people of the 391 were in support of the massacre.

501 of the 668 people polled were in favour of Hamas raping and killing families in Israel.


I think I'd rather be in my home trying to scrape together food and water, and hiding in bomb shelters, than having groups of armed invaders coming into my house and raping my daughters, torturing my sons, and taking my parents away as hostages to Gaza.

You believe a poll that is utter propaganda?
I'm sorry but I don't believe anywhere on this planet are human beings in favor of raping and killing families in Israel or anywhere else. gmab.

JMO

 

[MyBelle]

And Israelis don’t fear Palestinians. Many Israelis and Palestinians have married and raise families. Many Israelis and Palestinians are close. They share similar values and amazing food.

Israelis, also, won’t put up with Hamas slaughtering its people. Not Jews. Not Muslims. Not Christians. Not Buddhists. That’s why every single Israeli has said, our war is not with Palestinians. It is with Hamas.

FYI: Nobody "puts up" with the slaughter of people. Which is why the world is so strongly reacting to the Israeli's long history of doing just that. The evidence is readily available.

JMO

 

[Dotta]

Dbm

 

[JennieM]

These are some results from a recent poll of Palestinians from Gaza and the West Bank -

“This is the first poll I’ve seen of Palestinians (Gaza & WB) since 10/7. 75% support the 10/7 massacre. 76% have a positive view of Hamas.98.2% have a negative view of America Interestingly, 64% have a negative view of Iran.”

https://twitter.com/x/status/1725334681661378620

“Also worth noting when given a choice between a shared state where both people co-exist, two states, or a Palestinian state from the river to the sea, 77.7% choose the last option.”

https://twitter.com/x/status/1725345619965861955

Source document:

https://www.awrad.org/files/server/polls/polls2023/Public%20Opinion%20Poll%20-%20Gaza%20War%202023%20-%20Tables%20of%20Results.pdf

Edited to clarify the location of the poll respondents.

Could you also edit to clarify that a total of 668 people were interviewed please Papillon? P.5 of the Survey specifies that.

 

[otto]

I think so. I'm sure some of those captors are probably getting antsy. I still say they don't all want to become martyrs.

They don't all want to become martyrs. This short video is from November 11, where two female Israeli officers are looking after quite a few blindfolded Hamas terrorists. I posted it a couple of days ago - provides some insight into how scared Hamas terrorists are of women.

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[JennieM]

Seoul 'shoe rally' calls for ceasefire​

Activists in South Korea have called for a ceasefire in Gaza, by placing 2,000 pairs of shoes in downtown Seoul. The shoes symbolised Palestinian civilians killed in the war.

More than 11,500 people have been killed in Gaza since the conflict began, according to the Hamas-run health ministry.

[video at link]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/world-middle-east-67446662