Israel - Palestinian militants launch massive attack, 7 Oct 2023 #11

[katydid23]

It is interesting that 25 Thai hostages are supposedly going to be freed.

Are they women and children?

Is Thailand negotiating separately?
Did they promise something to Hamas in exchange of Thai hostages?

Are countries doing negotiations separately?

Apparently they are only going to be free if Israel agrees to a cease fire. So those Thai hostages are not going anywhere anytime soon.

Hamas just did this to put more pressure on Israel and fracture their connection to Thailand. JMO

 

[katydid23]

I know, you also said earlier about the dying hungry children.

Who's most responsible for the dying hungry Palistinean children? I say it is their leaders and their government.

Hamas committed this outrageous massacre, along the lines of our 9/11 massacre. Only it involved simultaneous home invasions targeting babies, children, mothers and grandmothers and their husbands and fathers. It was egregious, brutal, horrific, with the rapes and torture and the filming of it all, some of it sent to surviving family members online.n

So did they not expect a violent retaliation? Hamas should be protecting their people. They should be feeding these starving babies that are paying the price from the aftermath.

Israel needs to blow up those tunnels and those munitions in retaliation. It is devastating for their people but Hamas is hiding underneath those hospitals. Israel cannot walk away again and allow it to keep happening. JMO

 

[otto]

Is Hamas suffering an immediate food shortage? I doubt it.

Hamas headquarters is right underneath the hospitals and local schools. I am certain there are food and water stashes in those tunnels. Maybe the locals should band together and storm those tunnels to feed their starving people?

I don't believe there is a food shortage for Gaza civilians.

Tons of food is delivered to the humanitarian zone in Gaza. A month ago, everyone North of the River Gaza was advised to temporarily relocate South of the river while IDF eliminated Hamas terrorists and rescued hostages. An humanitarian zone was established.

Everyone who wanted access to food, water and medical supplies during the war complied. Some refused, and some were killed by Hamas terrorists while evacuating. Regardless, some people who did not evacuate do not have access to humanitarian aide, and that was their choice. They cannot sit in the middle of a war zone and complain that supplies are rationed, especially not after they had advance notice.

 

[otto]

It is interesting that 25 Thai hostages are supposedly going to be freed.

Are they women and children?

Is Thailand negotiating separately?
Did they promise something to Hamas in exchange of Thai hostages?

Are countries doing negotiations separately?

We heard that Russia wanted 8 of their citizens released by Hamas, then silence. Now 25 Thai hostages. Some terrorists in Syria were released by ISIS after negotiations that involved a lot of money. Hostages like James Foley, journalist, were beheaded because some governments do not negotiate with terrorists.

Perhaps Hamas is getting richer by releasing hostages to specific countries. Is that what Hamas leaders are doing in their hotels - selling hostages, padding their bank accounts, negotiating as terrorists?

 

[NoSpoonFeeding]

Yes, the OP says that 'no human beings anywhere on this planet is in favour of raping and killing Israeli families'---

And yet thousands of people organised and carried out that massacre on Oct 7th. So that belief is unfounded. JMO

I realized that she said that, but I want confirmation that it applied to Hamas on Oct 7, as in a "DENIAL" that it happened.
I'm gopsmacked that someone would make that statement.

 

[IDK]

I don't believe there is a food shortage for Gaza civilians.

Tons of food is delivered to the humanitarian zone in Gaza. A month ago, everyone North of the River Gaza was advised to temporarily relocate South of the river while IDF eliminated Hamas terrorists and rescued hostages. An humanitarian zone was established.

Everyone who wanted access to food, water and medical supplies during the war complied. Some refused, and some were killed by Hamas terrorists while evacuating. Regardless, some people who did not evacuate do not have access to humanitarian aide, and that was their choice. They cannot sit in the middle of a war zone and complain that supplies are rationed, especially not after they had advance notice.

Except that many Gazans who relocated to the southern areas were subjected to bombing after their relocation. I’m sure they do not trust these “leaflets” anymore after following instructions and still being bombed….

Why is Israel attacking south Gaza after telling people to go there?

Israel has told civilians in the northern Gaza Strip, including residents of Gaza City, to move to the south of the enclave, saying it will be safer there as the military attacks Hamas following its Oct. 7 cross-border assault.

www.reuters.com

 

[Dotta]

We heard that Russia wanted 8 of their citizens released by Hamas, then silence. Now 25 Thai hostages. Some terrorists in Syria were released by ISIS after negotiations that involved a lot of money. Hostages like James Foley, journalist, were beheaded because some governments do not negotiate with terrorists.

Perhaps Hamas is getting richer by releasing hostages to specific countries. Is that what Hamas leaders are doing in their hotels - selling hostages, padding their bank accounts, negotiating as terrorists?

Yes.
I remember this info about Russians.
But nothing is known about them, at least in MSM.

There are also Polish hostages
Families beg our President for help.
Some Army officials from Poland went to Israel.

I wonder.

What a terrible mess.
Absoute tragedy!

 

[Simply Southern]

What are the people of Gaza saying... (Not the UN and talking heads...)

First and foremost, do Gazans want to be saved from Hamas?

Are they assisting in the fight against Hamas?
Are they asking the world to help change their country?
Do they want a different life?
What have the people of Gaza done to help themselves, in the last 10 years?

I think we know the answer. Gazans are content with Hamas as their government.

Let's face it, free schools, food, fuel, housing, rolling in from UN. Promises they will one day rule all of Israel.

Moo...

 

[otto]

Maps of the humanitarian zone in Gaza. This morning, civilians in Khan Younis were advised to evacuate. Some were angry, claiming that they had already evacuated from the North (but not to the humanitarian zone) and now they have to evacuate again.

It's inconvenient for people who evacuated to a South Gaza area outside the humanitarian zone that is now being evacuated. I think the IDF wants to block off tunnels and more people have to be temporarily displaced. If there are no tunnels, they can return home soon.

 

[IDK]

"Jewish pediatrician Darren Klugman ​

is suspended by Johns Hopkins after ​

'deeply disturbing' posts where he branded all Palestinians 'blood thirsty morally depraved animals'."​

Jewish pediatrician suspended over 'deeply disturbing' Palestine posts

Dr. Darren Klugman has been place on leave by Johns Hopkins hospital in Maryland over offensive tweets about Palestinians.

www.dailymail.co.uk

“He also replied to a post suggesting that Israel's bombardment of Gaza was 'large scale slaughter,' which could displace Palestinians with the word 'G-d willing.'”

And the man’s a pediatrician? Unbelievable.

 

[otto]

Except that many Gazans who relocated to the southern areas were subjected to bombing after their relocation….

Why is Israel attacking south Gaza after telling people to go there?

Israel has told civilians in the northern Gaza Strip, including residents of Gaza City, to move to the south of the enclave, saying it will be safer there as the military attacks Hamas following its Oct. 7 cross-border assault.

www.reuters.com

There is too much evidence of Hamas missile misfires and home made bombs falling out of the sky onto hospital parking lots to believe that IDF is responsible for the bombs. It's quite likely that Hamas is still dropping bombs on the people of Gaza, either intentionally or accidentally. It's not quite believable that Israel gathered up all the civilians in an humanitarian zone to drop bombs on them while providing humanitarian aide.

 

[otto]

“He also replied to a post suggesting that Israel's bombardment of Gaza was 'large scale slaughter,' which could displace Palestinians with the word 'G-d willing.'”

And the man’s a pediatrician? Unbelievable.

Is it possible that he is traumatized by the slaughter of 1200 civilians on October 7? Perhaps he needs a rest to process what happened.

 

[Dotta]

Is it possible that he is traumatized by the slaughter of 1200 civilians on October 7? Perhaps he needs a rest to process what happened.

It is soooo silly to write such things in Social Media.

For God's Sake!
Is this guy for real???

Shaking my head.

Even my teen pupils are smarter.
But then, they have good teachers

 

[IDK]

There is too much evidence of Hamas missile misfires and home made bombs falling out of the sky onto hospital parking lots to believe that IDF is responsible for the bombs. It's quite likely that Hamas is still dropping bombs on the people of Gaza, either intentionally or accidentally. It's not quite believable that Israel gathered up all the civilians in an humanitarian zone to drop bombs on them while providing humanitarian aide.

I wish it weren’t true, but I’ve read multiple media accounts of this from MSM and I’m not willing to discount multiple, reliable sources.

 

[otto]

It is soooo silly to write such things in Social Media.

For God's Sake!
Is this guy for real???

Shaking my head.

Even my pupils are smarter.
But then, they have good teachers

Trauma, like death, if processed differently by everyone. It seems understandable that even professionals, perhaps moreso professionals, are deeply disturbed by the Hamas massacre of civilians on October 7.

 

[IDK]

Is it possible that he is traumatized by the slaughter of 1200 civilians on October 7? Perhaps he needs a rest to process what happened.

He’s on administrative leave now, so he can get all the rest he needs, thankfully.

 

[Simply Southern]

Maps of the humanitarian zone in Gaza. This morning, civilians in Khan Younis were advised to evacuate. Some were angry, claiming that they had already evacuated from the North (but not to the humanitarian zone) and now they have to evacuate again.

It's inconvenient for people who evacuated to a South Gaza area outside the humanitarian zone that is now being evacuated. I think the IDF wants to block off tunnels and more people have to be temporarily displaced. If there are no tunnels, they can return home soon.

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IDF has been clear, in every form of communication possible Go to the Southwest.
Might have had more impact if the RC, UN, WHO and the other alphabet organizations had encouraged this movement. But, No they told the citizens, to stay in place.
The UN, WHO and RC know the outcome of not evacuating a war zone!!!

Now the RC is begging for a ceasefire, fuel so citizens don't starve.

UN doesn't want independence from Hamas, in moo. They don't want a financially successful Gaza. Those UN donations would stop, massive job loss and a much reduced budget for the UN and WHO. Moo..no large corporation wants to be downsized and that includes UN and WHO.
All moo ..

 

[otto]

I wish it weren’t true, but I’ve read multiple media accounts of this from MSM and I’m not willing to discount multiple, reliable sources.

I guess it depends on sources. IDF gives daily updates with evidence. That seems believable. Hamas, UN and WHO release information (borderline propaganda) that is proven to be untrue again and again. Of course, we choose who is a valid source of information.

 

[Dotta]

Trauma, like death, if processed differently by everyone. It seems understandable that even professionals, perhaps moreso professionals, are deeply disturbed by the Hamas massacre of civilians on October 7.

Talk to:
wife, sibling, friend, therapist or even to oneself.

Hate speech in social media is criminal offence.

Sorry, I have no pity for this guy.

JMO

 

[Simply Southern]

Well, here we go ... They are trying to brainwash our young adults !!!
We DO need to be worried and very concerned in the US. Moo

https://www.cnn.com/2023/11/16/tech/tiktok-osama-bin-laden-letter-to-america/index.html

CNN —
Dozens of young Americans have posted videos on TikTok this week expressing sympathy with Osama bin Laden, the notorious terrorist who orchestrated the September 11 attacks, for a two-decade-old letter he wrote critiquing the United States, including its government and support of Israel.

The letter, which attempts to justify the targeting and killing of American civilians, was first published in 2002. It began to recirculate this week on the social media platform, and videos on the topic had garnered at least 14 million views by Thursday. Many of the videos, which supported some of Bin Laden’s assertions and urged other users to read the letter, were shared in the wider context of criticism of American support for Israel in its ongoing war against Hamas.
....
... a New York-based lifestyle influencer encouraged others to read the letter and said, “if you have read it, let me know if you are also going through an existential crisis in this very moment, because in the last 20 minutes, my entire viewpoint on the entire life I have believed, and I have lived, has changed.”