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It's been more than a month since the October 7 Hamas massacre, but stories continue to emerge, gradually piecing together the puzzle of that fateful day.
Israel - Palestinian militants launch massive attack, 7 Oct 2023 #11
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I remember, and I'm pretty sure all (or most) of the recordings the IDF has shared are on Israel Defense Forces - YouTube. MOO
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Speaking to the BBC earlier Margaret Harris said many of the patients at the hospital were "so severely ill, so injured, or such tiny babies, that you can only move them with actual transport, not on foot".
She went on to say doctors in al-Shifa knew moving the patients would not be possible “unless somebody was providing an intensive care ambulance.”
“We're also seeing in Gaza that the availability of hospital beds and services continues to shrink just as the need rises to proportions that would be impossible to deal with in the most normal circumstances," she said.
Earlier today the health ministry in Hamas-run Gaza said 120 patients were still in al-Shifa, along with an "unspecified number" of premature babies.
The BBC can't independently verify these figures.
WHO says moving al-Shifa patients 'not possible' without intensive care ambulance
Attempting to move many patients from al-Shifa hospital would be "highly problematic", a spokeswoman for the World Health Organization has said.Speaking to the BBC earlier Margaret Harris said many of the patients at the hospital were "so severely ill, so injured, or such tiny babies, that you can only move them with actual transport, not on foot".
She went on to say doctors in al-Shifa knew moving the patients would not be possible “unless somebody was providing an intensive care ambulance.”
“We're also seeing in Gaza that the availability of hospital beds and services continues to shrink just as the need rises to proportions that would be impossible to deal with in the most normal circumstances," she said.
Earlier today the health ministry in Hamas-run Gaza said 120 patients were still in al-Shifa, along with an "unspecified number" of premature babies.
The BBC can't independently verify these figures.
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www.theguardian.com
Afternoon summary
- At least 15 people were killed on Saturday following an airstrike that hit a house west of Khan Younis, health officials from Gaza’s Nasser hospital said. Gaza health authorities raised their death toll on Friday to more than 12,000 with 5,000 of them children. The United Nations deems those figures credible, though they are now updated infrequently due to the difficulty of collecting information.
- The head of the UN Palestinian refugee agency (UNRWA) said on Saturday it had received “horrifying” images and footage of scores of people killed and injured in an attack on an UNRWA school in the north of Gaza. “These attacks cannot become commonplace, they must stop. A humanitarian ceasefire cannot wait any longer,” the UNRWA commissioner-general, Philippe Lazzarini, said on social media platform X.
- Health officials say many patients, medical staff and those displaced by the ongoing war have left Gaza’s largest hospital, which was taken over by Israeli forces earlier in the week. Palestinian officials and the Israeli military offered conflicting versions about what prompted the mass exodus from al-Shifa hospital, AP reported.
- Hospital officials say they received an evacuation order from Israel’s military on Saturday morning, but the military said it had offered safe passage to those hoping to leave.
- Jordan’s foreign minister has said Arab troops will not go to Gaza as he delivered a blistering criticism of Israel’s war on Hamas.
- Turkey will make efforts to rebuild damaged infrastructure, hospitals and schools in Gaza if a ceasefire is achieved there, Turkish media on Saturday reported President Recep Tayyip Erdoğan as saying. “If a ceasefire is reached, we will do whatever is necessary to compensate for the destruction caused by Israel,” Erdoğan told reporters on his plane returning from a trip to Berlin, where he held talks with German leaders.
- Israel issued a fresh warning to residents in the southern city of Khan Younis to move out of the line of fire and closer to humanitarian aid, in the latest indication that it plans to attack Hamas in south Gaza after subduing the north.
Joe Biden says Gaza and West Bank should be ‘reunited’ under Palestinian Authority; reiterates call for two-state solution – as it happened
In Washington Post on Saturday, Biden writes: ‘After this war is over, the voices of Palestinian people … must be at the center of post-crisis governance’
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Thousands of Iranians took to the streets on Saturday as part of state-sponsored marches to demonstrate against the Israeli killings of over 12,000 Palestinians, including 5,000 children, in Gaza.
Reuters reports Iranian state television showing protestors carrying mock body bags to symbolize the children killed by Israeli strikes in Gaza ahead of World Children’s Day on Monday.
Meanwhile, Iran’s Revolutionary Guard commander Hossein Salami addressed a rally in Tehran, saying: “Palestine stands on the path of a war of attrition...Israel will face a definitive defeat and end up in the dustbin of history,” Reuters reports.
He added, “The battle is not over, the Islamic world will do whatever it has to do. There are still great [unused] capacities left,” without referring to any possible moves by Iran to join the conflict.
On Saturday, Iran’s foreign ministry called on the international community to help stop the “killing machine and organised terrorism of the Zionist regime against the Palestinian people and hold Zionist criminals accountable to justice and international law.”
Protesters hold symbolic shrouds of Gaza's children's dead bodies during an anti-Israel protest in Tehran, Iran, November 18, 2023. Majid Asgaripour/WANA (West Asia News Agency) via REUTERS. Photograph: Wana News Agency/Reuters
Thousands of Pro-Palestinian supporters gather during an anti-Israeli rally to show their solidarity with the people of Gaza at Enghelab Square in Tehran, Iran, 18 November 2023. Photograph: Abedin Taherkenareh/EPA
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Thousands of Iranians took to the streets on Saturday as part of state-sponsored marches to demonstrate against the Israeli killings of over 12,000 Palestinians, including 5,000 children, in Gaza.
Reuters reports Iranian state television showing protestors carrying mock body bags to symbolize the children killed by Israeli strikes in Gaza ahead of World Children’s Day on Monday.
Meanwhile, Iran’s Revolutionary Guard commander Hossein Salami addressed a rally in Tehran, saying: “Palestine stands on the path of a war of attrition...Israel will face a definitive defeat and end up in the dustbin of history,” Reuters reports.
He added, “The battle is not over, the Islamic world will do whatever it has to do. There are still great [unused] capacities left,” without referring to any possible moves by Iran to join the conflict.
On Saturday, Iran’s foreign ministry called on the international community to help stop the “killing machine and organised terrorism of the Zionist regime against the Palestinian people and hold Zionist criminals accountable to justice and international law.”
Protesters hold symbolic shrouds of Gaza's children's dead bodies during an anti-Israel protest in Tehran, Iran, November 18, 2023. Majid Asgaripour/WANA (West Asia News Agency) via REUTERS. Photograph: Wana News Agency/Reuters
Thousands of Pro-Palestinian supporters gather during an anti-Israeli rally to show their solidarity with the people of Gaza at Enghelab Square in Tehran, Iran, 18 November 2023. Photograph: Abedin Taherkenareh/EPA
Joe Biden says Gaza and West Bank should be ‘reunited’ under Palestinian Authority; reiterates call for two-state solution – as it happened
In Washington Post on Saturday, Biden writes: ‘After this war is over, the voices of Palestinian people … must be at the center of post-crisis governance’
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Shocking eyewitness accounts of the "second wave" invasion on October 7—that of the Gazan civilians who entered people's homes, stole their possessions, and even switched their Netflix to Arabic and watched TV.
What is the Gaza Strip? What you need to know about the territory at the heart of the Israel-Hamas war
The Gaza Strip, which some have called "the world's largest open-air prison," is a narrow piece of land between Israel and Egypt.
From this link : Israel left the Gaza strip in 2007 and the Palestinians were allowed to elect their own government and govern themselves and make all their own choices. They chose Hamas.
These are the facts.
Also from the link :
Since 2007, Israel has imposed an air, land and sea blockade on the Gaza Strip, saying the move is necessary to safeguard the country from Hamas’ attacks. Gaza is surrounded by concrete walls and barbed wire fences.
Not too secure, is it ?
Since they were able to open a chain link fences, drive through, and murder Israelis ?
That is not what a prison is like, instead, this describes an attempt by Israel to prevent attacks from rabid terrorists like Hamas.
And this from same link :
Palestinians are prohibited from entering or leaving the territory except in extremely rare cases such as “urgent, life-threatening medical conditions,” according to Israeli human rights group B’Tselem. Foreign citizens are not subjected to the same restrictions. Human rights groups have described it as “the world’s largest open-air prison.”
Red bolding mine.
Which groups ?
I can imagine these are groups who are supporting Hamas behind the scenes ?
It wouldn't be outside the realms of possibility.
Scary to think of.
This , "...prohibited from entering or leaving the territory..." was for the safety of Israelis , in order to prevent such an attack as occurred on Oct. 7th.
Not just Hamas was involved in the attacks.
Who knows how many humanitarian organizations are aiding the terrorists ?
It is not an 'open air prison'.
That is a lie.
Are these the same groups who are claiming every missile is from the IDF ?
Add to this that the internet is working now, thus aiding Hamas' communications.
Israel to allow some fuel into Gaza after US push -officials
Israel's war cabinet has agreed to allow 140,000 liters (36,985 gallons) of fuel into Gaza every two days after a request from Washington, amid acute shortages that threatened aid deliveries and communications in the besieged strip, Israel and U.S. officials said on Friday.
Red emphasis mine.
What prisons allow phone and internet without monitoring it ?
None that I can think of.
Gaza is not a prison, it's an enclave where aid is routinely delivered without the residents having to work for it.
They're blessed with an abundance of assistance, and this includes Hamas terrorists.
And in return, these terrorists invaded Israel and slaughtered people.
Omo.
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Not Jewish, into politics or religion, but the events of Oct 7 do not seem like the actions of 'soldiers' or 'warriors' or 'martyrs.'I fail to understand a world in which October 7th is an ordinary day. Nothing new, nothing to see here?
Israel has had enemies going back to Old Testament days. There were no Muslims then. Jews have always lived there but were expelled during the Babylonian Captivity. They returned and of course in the time of the Jewish rabbi, Jesus, they were under Roman captivity.
I‘ve visited the Arch of Titus in Rome, wherein is a depiction of a menorah being carried off from the destruction of the Second Jewish Temple in A.D. 70. (The proceeds of which built the Colosseum).
Jerusalem is mentioned hundreds of times in the Old and New Testaments. It is not mentioned in the Quran at all. Yet Muslims fight over it being “their” city that they call Al-Quds.
So, even though there is an ANCIENT history of Jews being persecuted and killed, within Israel and without such as the Spanish Inquisition or during the Holocaust, it boggles my mind that you would say nothing new happened on October 7th.
Yes, you’re entitled to your opinion. If your opinion is that nothing “new” occurred on October 7th, I’m sorry to think of a world in which these particular atrocities are something to be regarded almost with nonchalance, same old same old, just another Jew- hating day.
The Arch of Titus’s Menorah Panel in Color
A team of scholars has digitally restored a panel from the Arch of Titus to its original color— a glimpse of what ancient Rome looked like.www.biblicalarchaeology.org
Ancient Jerusalem: The Village, the Town, the City
Ancient Jerusalem made such an enormous impact on Western civilization that it’s hard to fathom how small its population really was.
IMO
They, ( the Oct 7 savages) appear to be profoundly messed up psychopaths, sexually perverted, pathetic low-down thieving, arsonists serial killers.
What happens if they got a 'taste' for such abominations including necrophilia, do they bring those sordid inclinations back to torment the women and children in Gaza and perhaps to other countries where judging by the braying crowds, those acts seem to be celebrated?
Return all the hostages right effin now, it might be the best way to prevent more deaths in Gaza and gain more handouts too!
speculation, imo.
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"Most of the burnt bodies I saw belonged to young kids ages 6, 7, and 10 years old "Forensic experts working in the wake of the October 7th Hamas massacre continue to speak out about the atrocities they have to witness when identifying bodies.
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In an interview with Euronews on Friday, former Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Olmert said that the real headquarters of Hamas leadership was located in Khan Yunis.
Euronews interviewer Shona Murray pushed back, stating that the narrative has been that Al-Shifa Hospital has been the center of the Hamas command structure, adding that Al-Shifa has not revealed Hamas tunnels or weaponry.
“You have seen the weaponry, you haven't seen the leaders,” Olmert clarified. “There [is] so many fake news. It’s now part of life. Everything is spread carelessly. Had you asked me two weeks ago, I’d have told you that the center is really in Khan Yunis. What Israel needs to do now is to announce that when the military battle [is] over, immediately, Israel is prepared to embark on negotiations with the Palestinian Authority for a two-state solution.”
Euronews interviewer Shona Murray pushed back, stating that the narrative has been that Al-Shifa Hospital has been the center of the Hamas command structure, adding that Al-Shifa has not revealed Hamas tunnels or weaponry.
“You have seen the weaponry, you haven't seen the leaders,” Olmert clarified. “There [is] so many fake news. It’s now part of life. Everything is spread carelessly. Had you asked me two weeks ago, I’d have told you that the center is really in Khan Yunis. What Israel needs to do now is to announce that when the military battle [is] over, immediately, Israel is prepared to embark on negotiations with the Palestinian Authority for a two-state solution.”
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Translated from Hebrew by Google
Testimony of the British doctor who worked in Shifa: I was instructed not to approach certain areas of the hospital, otherwise I would be shot. For the complete information >>> https://kannews.org/49BMs61 @ShirazTikva
ETA: (Because I can't get the link above to the article to work)
Testimony of the British doctor who worked in Shifa: I was instructed not to approach certain areas of the hospital, otherwise I would be shot. For the complete information >>> https://kannews.org/49BMs61 @ShirazTikva
ETA: (Because I can't get the link above to the article to work)
Shifa doctor reveals: 'I was threatened with shooting if I went through parts of the hospital'
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This I can believe.
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He reiterated in an interview with CBS News that Israel issued evacuation orders and dropped leaflets warning civilians to leave areas in Gaza. Netanyahu said, however, that they have not succeeded in avoiding civilian casualties.
“The other thing that I can say is that we’ll try to finish that job with minimal civilian casualties," he said. "That’s what we’re trying to do. Minimal civilian casualties. But unfortunately, we’re not successful.”
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Netanyahu : Israel has 'not been successful' in minimizing civilian casualties
Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu again blamed Hamas for the death of civilians as Israel continues its bombardment and ground invasion of Gaza.He reiterated in an interview with CBS News that Israel issued evacuation orders and dropped leaflets warning civilians to leave areas in Gaza. Netanyahu said, however, that they have not succeeded in avoiding civilian casualties.
“The other thing that I can say is that we’ll try to finish that job with minimal civilian casualties," he said. "That’s what we’re trying to do. Minimal civilian casualties. But unfortunately, we’re not successful.”
Israel-Hamas war live updates: Civilians leave Gaza's Al-Shifa hospital
Follow NBC News' coverage for live updates about the Israel-Hamas war: Civilians leaving Al-Shifa hospital, health officials say
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“At least 50 people” were killed in an Israeli strike during early Saturday morning at the UNRWA-run Al-Fakhura school in the Jabalia refugee camp where displaced Palestinians are sheltering, a Gaza health ministry official said, Agence France-Presse reports.
Another strike on a separate building in the camp killed 32 people of the same family, 19 of them children, according to the official.
The ministry released a list of 32 members of the Abu Habal family it said had been killed in Gaza’s largest refugee camp, Agence France Presse reports.
Various UN officials have responded to the deadly strikes, with UN aid chief Martin Griffiths saying: “Shelters are a place for safety. Schools are a place for learning. Tragic news of the children, women and men killed while sheltering at Al Fakhouri school in northern Gaza. Civilians cannot and should not have to bear this any longer.”
UNRWA, the UN agency for Palestinian refugees also responded to the attacks, saying: “Receiving horrifying images & footage of scores of people killed and injured in another UNRWA school sheltering thousands of displaced in the north of the Gaza Strip. These attacks cannot become commonplace, they must stop.”
www.theguardian.com
Gaza's health ministry: Over 80 killed in double Israeli strikes on refugee camp
Over 80 people were killed on Saturday by double Israeli stirkes on the Jabalia refugee camp, Gaza’s health ministry said on Saturday.“At least 50 people” were killed in an Israeli strike during early Saturday morning at the UNRWA-run Al-Fakhura school in the Jabalia refugee camp where displaced Palestinians are sheltering, a Gaza health ministry official said, Agence France-Presse reports.
Another strike on a separate building in the camp killed 32 people of the same family, 19 of them children, according to the official.
The ministry released a list of 32 members of the Abu Habal family it said had been killed in Gaza’s largest refugee camp, Agence France Presse reports.
Various UN officials have responded to the deadly strikes, with UN aid chief Martin Griffiths saying: “Shelters are a place for safety. Schools are a place for learning. Tragic news of the children, women and men killed while sheltering at Al Fakhouri school in northern Gaza. Civilians cannot and should not have to bear this any longer.”
UNRWA, the UN agency for Palestinian refugees also responded to the attacks, saying: “Receiving horrifying images & footage of scores of people killed and injured in another UNRWA school sheltering thousands of displaced in the north of the Gaza Strip. These attacks cannot become commonplace, they must stop.”
Joe Biden says Gaza and West Bank should be ‘reunited’ under Palestinian Authority; reiterates call for two-state solution – as it happened
In Washington Post on Saturday, Biden writes: ‘After this war is over, the voices of Palestinian people … must be at the center of post-crisis governance’
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They are later expected to hold a meeting of the security cabinet.
According to Hebrew media reports, Gallant and Gantz have agreed to meet with the families of hostages ahead of the cabinet meeting, although Netanyahu has yet to respond to their demand to meet.
Netanyahu, Gallant, Gantz to hold press conference this evening
Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, Defense Minister Yoav Gallant and Minister Benny Gantz are slated to hold a press conference in Tel Aviv this evening.They are later expected to hold a meeting of the security cabinet.
According to Hebrew media reports, Gallant and Gantz have agreed to meet with the families of hostages ahead of the cabinet meeting, although Netanyahu has yet to respond to their demand to meet.
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Why did people only start calling for a “ceasefire” when Israel responded to the October 7 Massacre, not while that massacre was unfolding in real time?Granted, some of them were busy celebrating the massacre as a moment of “liberation” and “resistance,” but still…
Very upsetting photo involving a child, do not click the link if you don’t want to see it.
KHAN YOUNIS, Gaza Strip (AP) — Patients, staff and displaced people departed Gaza’s largest hospital Saturday, health officials said, leaving behind only Israeli forces and a skeleton crew to care for those too sick to move. The exodus came the day internet and phone service was restored to the Gaza Strip, ending a telecommunications outage that forced the United Nations to shut down critical aid deliveries.
Dozens of people were killed in the urban Jabaliya refugee camp when what witnesses described as an Israeli airstrike hit a crowded U.N. shelter in the main combat zone of northern Gaza. It caused massive destruction in the camp’s Fakhoura school, said Ahmed Radwan and Yassin Sharif.
“The scenes were horrifying. Corpses of women and children were on the ground. Others were screaming for help,” Radwan said by phone. Associated Press’ photos from a local hospital showed more than 20 bodies wrapped in bloodstained sheets.
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apnews.com
Most Shifa Hospital patients, staff and displaced leave as Israel strikes Gaza’s north and south
KHAN YOUNIS, Gaza Strip (AP) — Patients, staff and displaced people departed Gaza’s largest hospital Saturday, health officials said, leaving behind only Israeli forces and a skeleton crew to care for those too sick to move. The exodus came the day internet and phone service was restored to the Gaza Strip, ending a telecommunications outage that forced the United Nations to shut down critical aid deliveries.
Dozens of people were killed in the urban Jabaliya refugee camp when what witnesses described as an Israeli airstrike hit a crowded U.N. shelter in the main combat zone of northern Gaza. It caused massive destruction in the camp’s Fakhoura school, said Ahmed Radwan and Yassin Sharif.
“The scenes were horrifying. Corpses of women and children were on the ground. Others were screaming for help,” Radwan said by phone. Associated Press’ photos from a local hospital showed more than 20 bodies wrapped in bloodstained sheets.
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32 babies in critical condition are among the patients left at Gaza's main hospital, UN team says
Hundreds of patients, medical staff and people displaced by Israel’s war against Hamas left Gaza’s largest hospital Saturday.
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Crash carts and medicine next to grenades and M16s3 different hospitals in Gaza, all used to store Hamas' weapons of terror. Hamas systematically uses hospitals as their command centers, endangering the most vulnerable.
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