Israel - Palestinian militants launch massive attack, 7 Oct 2023 #12

[margarita25]

 

[Friday Fan]

Couldn’t this be directly compared to ISIS? ISIS was a serious threat at one time and it captured quite a bit of territory but we did essentially destroy its power as an organized group through a sustained campaign. There are pockets of ISIS fighters out there as I understand it, but they no longer have the vast network nor resources needed to wreak havoc as they once did.

Timeline: the Rise, Spread, and Fall of the Islamic State

At its height, the Islamic State - also known as ISIS, ISIL, or Daesh - held about a third of Syria and 40 percent of Iraq. By December 2017 it had lost 95 percent of its territory, including its two biggest properties, Mosul, Iraq's second largest city, and the northern Syrian city of Raqqa...

www.wilsoncenter.org

Assad was keeping ISIS alive. That was because in 2011 or 2012, the west was going to take him out due to how he was treating civilians. He got revenge by releasing prisoners and encouraging ISIS. We were given a choice: Dictator or ISIS. Eventually, everyone decided they liked having a dictator more than ISIS.
Once the west kissed his rear, things went down significantly.
He kicked ISIS out of northern Syria and deported them to SE Syria.

 

[PapillonVert]

There are more links out there ... this one is from a different survey. If you click on the blue-writing link in what I have quoted, it takes you to the Jan '23 survey results.


But belief in the possibility of a two-state solution has dropped significantly, which seems to have let to a decline in public support. In one survey, published in January 2023, only 34 percent of Israeli Jews and 33 percent of Palestinians supported a two-state solution — which the authors note was “linked to low perceived feasibility.”

What are the “two-state solution” and the “one-state solution”?

These are the two broad ways the Israeli-Palestinian conflict might end.

www.vox.com

Yes, I see what you’re saying in the January 2023 poll. That’s a shame because a two state solution does seem to be the best way forward in the long run.

 

[margarita25]

 

[Friday Fan]

Saudi plane headed to Cypress it appears. It has this funny little thing I've never seen in front of it. It's been in front the entire time.
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UK plane, not Saudi.
Both are landing in Cyprus. Took off from Jordan. I don't know what they're doing. Jordan and UK are close allies though. Both flew over Israel's airspace???
Have no idea what they're up to.

 

[MyBelle]

I tend to agree. I am not seeing any other way around the ongoing problem.

Maybe one day both sides will realise that they can co-exist independently - if they give each other the room to do so.

imo

It is no different than respecting borders and making legal entry into other countries. I remember crossing into Canada at Niagra Falls. Beautiful area. No passport needed before 9/11. That changed our way of life forever.

JMO

 

[PapillonVert]

And I repeat.
Terrorism is an ideology.
You cannot bomb ideology.

JMO

No but you can destroy the nerve centers, neutralize the key players, and make it very difficult for terrorists to create coordinated networks that plan attacks like 9/11 and 10/7.

MOO

 

[JennieM]

7m ago

Summary of the day so far​

It’s 1am in Gaza City and Tel Aviv. Here’s a recap of the latest developments:

• At least 14,128 Palestinians have been killed in Gaza since the war began,according to the government in the occupied territories on Tuesday. The latest death toll update includes at least 5,600 children and 3,550 women, it said.
• Benjamin Netanyahu has asked his government to back a deal for the release of some of the more than 240 mostly Israeli hostages held by Hamas in Gaza. Israel will continue its war against Hamas even if a temporary ceasefire is reached to release hostages, the Israeli prime minister said at the start of Tuesday night’s meeting. Ismail Haniyeh, the most senior political leader of Hamas, said a truce agreement with Israel was near and that the group had delivered its response to Qatari mediators. Joe Biden has also said a deal was “very close”.
• A potential deal could result in 50 hostages, all women or children, being freed in exchange for the return of 150 Palestinian prisoners in Israeli jails, also all women or children, according to Israeli media reports. The deal would also reportedly result in a pause in hostilities for at least five days; restrictions on Israeli surveillance of Gaza; and additional aid sent into the territory. The Israeli government is expected to have a majority in the cabinet to approve a hostage deal, despite opposition from the far-right parties.
• The World Health Organization (WHO) has said it stands in solidaritywith health workers at al-Awda hospital in north Gaza after three doctors and “a patient companion” were reportedly killed in an attack on the facility. Médecins Sans Frontières (MSF) have said two of its doctors and a third health ministry doctor were killed after what it said was a strike on al-Awda hospital. The Palestinian Red Crescent Society (PRCS) said three doctors were killed in what it said was an Israeli strike on al-Awda, one of the last remaining functional hospitals in northern Gaza.
• The WHO also confirmed that one of its staff was killed in Gaza on Tuesday alongside her six-month-old baby. Dima Abdullatif Mohammed Alhaj, 29, was a critical part of the WHO’s trauma and emergency teamand had been part of the organisation since 2019, it said. She was killed when her parents’ house in southern Gaza, where she had evacuated from Gaza City, was bombed, the WHO said in a statement. WHO chief Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus said he was “devastated” by the news of her death.
• The UN has warned that a “tragic … entirely avoidable surge” in child deaths is expected in Gaza, where on average a child is killed every 10 minutes. The UN children’s agency (Unicef) said the number of children dying could skyrocket due to the serious additional threat of a mass disease outbreak in the besieged Palestinian territory.
• The Palestinian poet and author Mosab Abu Toha has been released after he was detained by Israeli forces along with scores of other Palestinian men trying to leave northern Gaza, according to his friends and Israeli officials.
• At least 52 journalists and media workers have been killed since the Israel-Hamas war began on 7 October, according to the Committee to Protect Journalists (CPJ). On Tuesday, a Hezbollah-affiliated news channel said two of its journalists were killed by an Israeli airstrike in the south of Lebanon, near the boundary with Israel.
• The European Commission has said it will continue to provide financial aid to Palestinians after an investigation found no evidence that the money was going to Hamas. The EU is the world’s biggest provider of assistance to Palestinians, with almost €1.2bn earmarked for 2021-2024.
• The Scottish Labour party have formally backed demands for a full ceasefire in Israel’s bombardment of Gaza. Anas Sarwar supported a motion put forward by Scotland’s first minister, Humza Yousaf, on Tuesday calling for an immediate truce, widening the Labour party’s divisions on the conflict.

Israeli cabinet approves deal for pause in fighting – as it happened

This blog is now closed.

www.theguardian.com

 

[margarita25]

UK plane, not Saudi.
Both are landing in Cyprus. Took off from Jordan. I don't know what they're doing. Jordan and UK are close allies though.

What is UK going to do about its hijacked ship?

What’s going on with these hostages?

 

[Dotta]

No but you can destroy the nerve centers, neutralize the key players, and make it very difficult for terrorists to create coordinated networks that plan attacks like 9/11 and 10/7.

MOO

But if the cause of a specific ideology is not removed/resolved, it will appear again - reborn like a Hydra.

JMO

 

[Friday Fan]

What is UK going to do about its hijacked ship?

What’s going on with these hostages?

I have no idea....

 

[MyBelle]

I hope Biden is getting fed up with the PM and his decisions. I wonder how much U.S. taxpayers have funded the military weaponry that is responsible for the air strikes?
JMO

US has sent Israel data on aid group locations to try to prevent strikes

Among the sites provided to the Israeli government are medical facilities, including Al-Shifa hospital, which Israeli forces raided last week.

www.politico.com

The Biden administration has been providing Israel with the location of humanitarian groups in Gaza for weeks to prevent strikes against their facilities. But Israel has continued to hit such sites.

The information included GPS coordinates of a number of medical facilities and information on movements of aid groups in Gaza to the Israeli government for at least a month, according to three people familiar with the communications. All were granted anonymity because they feared speaking publicly would make it more difficult for aid groups to operate in Gaza.

 

[margarita25]

No but you can destroy the nerve centers, neutralize the key players, and make it very difficult for terrorists to create coordinated networks that plan attacks like 9/11 and 10/7.

MOO

IDF destroys chemical weapons factory:

 

[JennieM]

6m ago

Islamic Jihad says an Israeli hostage has died – report​

The armed wing of the Palestinian militant group Islamic Jihad announced late on Tuesday the death of one of the Israeli hostages it has held since the 7 October attacks on Israel.

“We previously expressed our willingness to release her for humanitarian reasons, but the enemy was stalling and this led to her death,” Al Quds Brigades said on its Telegram channel.

This report is via Reuters and the claim has not been independently verified by the Guardian.

Israeli cabinet approves deal for pause in fighting – as it happened

This blog is now closed.

www.theguardian.com

 

[margarita25]

I have no idea....

Lol, c’mon you’re supposed to know JK, I was talking out loud, UK reminded me of that, wonder if it could be related.

 

[SouthAussie]

What is UK going to do about its hijacked ship?

What’s going on with these hostages?

The NY Times put out an article earlier today (which does not answer your question) but it says that the ship was owned by Israeli billionaire, Rami Ungar, back in 2017 ... according to leaked documents (the Paradise Papers) at that time.

The ship is currently anchored just outside Yemen's Al-Hudaydah port, according to satellite imagery. Which is 430 miles from where its last broadcast transmission was on the weekend.

Satellite Imagery Shows Ship Hijacked by Houthis Near Yemen Port

The vessel arrived Monday and was at anchor on Tuesday off the busy Red Sea port of Al-Hudaydah, according to an analysis of the imagery by The New York Times.

www.nytimes.com

 

[fred&edna]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1727106949827686432

The Israeli Minister of Foreign Affairs, Eli Cohen has Delievered a Warning to the U.N. National Security Council from the Government of Israel which states that if the United Nations Interim Force in Lebanon (UNIFIL) is not able to get the Situation in Southern Lebanon back under Control and Remove the Military Capabilities of Hezbollah away from the Border in following with Resolution 1701, which Ended the Lebanon War of 2006, the Israeli Defense Force will be Forced to take “Military Action” which could lead to a Regional War.

 

[margarita25]

But if the cause of a specific ideology is not removed/resolved, it will appear again - reborn like a Hydra.

JMO

True, unfortunately.

Indoctrination and hate. And radicalism.

To this day, after acts and acts of repeated terror and terror and terror perpetrated by Radical (not the peaceful and innocent) Islam Terrorists in the name of Allula Akbar, the Hydra continues to rear its head.

What’s the next 9/11 going to be?

Israel just had theirs.

 

[Momoffourboys]

What is UK going to do about its hijacked ship?

What’s going on with these hostages?

Japan’s government said it was “directly approaching” Yemen’s Iran-backed Houthis after they hijacked a Japanese-operated cargo ship in the Red Sea.

The hijack on Sunday saw dozens of crew on board taken hostage on the Galaxy Leader, a Bahamian flagged vessel.

The car carrier, Galaxy Leader, was taken to a Yemeni port and according to The Telegraph, the proxy group believed it was owned by an Israeli businessman, but on Monday, Japanese officials confirmed the vessel was operated by Tokyo-based firm Nippon Yusen.

Japan’s foreign minister, Yoko Kamikawa, said Japan “strongly condemns” the ship’s hijacking as it worked on its release. “We are also urging Saudi Arabia, Oman, Iran and other countries concerned to strongly urge the Houthis for the early release of the vessel and crew members,” he said.

Japan In Direct Talks With Iran-Backed Houthis After Ship Hijacking

Japan’s government said it was “directly approaching” Yemen’s Iran-backed Houthis after they hijacked a Japanese-operated cargo ship in the Red Sea.

www.iranintl.com

 

[Dotta]

"US fears Wagner mercenaries are preparing to bolster Hezbollah's air defenses in Lebanon as Middle East tensions reach boiling point after America conducted airstrike on Iraq."​

US fears Wagner mercenaries preparing to bolster Hezbollah air defense

The White House on Tuesday said the Kremlin-backed mercenary Wagner group was preparing to provide air defense support to Tehran-backed Hezbollah forces.

www.dailymail.co.uk