Israel - Palestinian militants launch massive attack, 7 Oct 2023 #12

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NETANYAHU SAYS SPY AGENCY WILL ‘ACT AGAINST’ HAMAS LEADERS OVERSEAS​

JERUSALEM — Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu says he has instructed the country’s Mossad spy agency to track down the leadership of the Hamas militant group living in other countries outside Gaza.

“I have instructed the Mossad to act against the heads of Hamas, wherever they are,” Netanyahu told a news conference.

Most of Hamas’ top leadership lives in exile, primarily in the Gulf state of Qatar and the Lebanese capital of Beirut.

The Mossad has been accused in a series of assassinations overseas of Palestinian militants and Iranian nuclear scientists over the years.


Wow, from above:
BBM:
“The Mossad has been accused in a series of assassinations overseas of Palestinian militants and Iranian nuclear scientists over the years.”
 
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3m ago

US President Joe Biden has said that “under no circumstances will the United States permit the forced relocation of Palestinians from Gaza or the West Bank, or the besiegement of Gaza, or the redrawing of the borders of Gaza,” in a phone call with his Egyptian counterpart Abdel Fattah al-Sisi, the White House said in another statement. It continued:





Sounds like Pres. Joe is getting fed up!

JMO
 
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I’m eagerly awaiting the BBC to drop the fabled “stiff upper lip” and admit they were WRONG.

WRONG to blame Israel about hospital explosions when it was Hamas who misfired a rocket, WRONG to doubt Israel regarding the tunnels, still WRONG to speculate that the doctors in Shifa were unaware of the tunnels when it was well-known, and when they are seen in Palestinian video chatting with Hamas. No urgency, as we can see.

Did the Gaza doctors gasp in surprise and confusion when they saw the tunnels being uncovered right beneath their feet? Right near their vulnerable patients? Did they race to call authorities and demand Hamas be forced out of their hospital corridors with their weapons? Did they relay to Israel that they, who took an oath to “first do no harm,” saw some hostages right in front of them?

No, they did not.

Had they done something constructive that first day, there would have been so much less destruction all around. But their loyalty is to Hamas.


IMO
"When you say it was built by Israeli engineers, did you misspeak?" asked Amanpour.

Barak, who was Israel's prime minister from 1999 to 2001, responded, "decades ago, we were running the place, so we helped them." The Gaza Strip has been controlled by Hamas since 2007.

"It was many decades ago...that we helped them build these bunkers in order to enable more space for the operation of the hospital within the very limited size of these compounds."

Following a pause, Amanpour seemed surprised and struggled to find her next words. "That's sort of thrown me a little bit."


As Newsweek has previously reported in a Fact Check, several outlets had reported that a bunker or basement had been built at Israel's discretion in the 1980s although whether Hamas has used it as a military headquarters has not been established.

Reports by left-wing Israeli newspaper Haaretz and other outlets have referred to the hospital's Building No. 2, constructed as an add-on in the 1980s as containing a basement, secure underground operating room and tunnel network.

IDF spokesman, Rear Adm. Daniel Hagari, had said that Israeli intelligence had proven that Hamas used the bunker as its main command area.

The clip of Barak and Amanpour as of Tuesday morning had received more than 860,000 views and sparked a lively thread on social media. Newsweek has contacted the IDF for a response to Barak's comments.

It comes as another video has gone viral after the BBC was invited to film the hospital and compared it with Israel's own footage of the site.

BBC Verify said that the Israeli footage appeared to have been recorded before reporters arrived and that the earlier clip showed fewer weapons which the IDF later explained was because more weaponry had been found later in the day.

BBC analysis editor Ros Atkins on November 17 said the IDF video was posted, then deleted, and reposted again, with references to an Israeli soldier held hostage removed. The IDF said the video was a single shot with no edits although Atkins said there was a moment which appears to show an edit.

"We don't know the reasons for that edit, nor how significant it is," Atkins said in the video which as of Tuesday had received 12.4 million views, adding that Israel's military "says suggestions it is manipulating the media are incorrect."

On Sunday, the Israeli military released footage which it says shows hostages being taken into Shifa following the October 7 attack.

Newsweek could not independently verify these videos.

 
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Why to announce this to the whole world? o_O

I thought such missions are conducted in total secrecy :cool:

JMO
The guy is talking and acting deranged, so there's that to consider.

JMO
 
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Israeli Welfare Ministry confirmed that these are instructions for IDF personnel who will be escorting child hostages from Gaza to Israel:
1. Try to have 1 soldier escort each child or family unit2. The soldier should introduce himself: “Hi, I’m (name). I’m a soldier in the IDF and I am going to escort you home. You are in a safe place. I’m here to take care of you. You are safe.”3. Soldiers should ask if the children are hot/cold, and if they’re thirsty. If the child has trouble walking they should ask “can I give you a hand? Is it ok if I lift you and help you walk?”Soldiers can offer a hand or a hug but they are not to lift or hold a child without his or her permission. If there is no choice, then the soldier must talk them through it, and say “I’m going to hold you because…” “Now we have to be quiet, but we will speak soon”
 
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"When you say it was built by Israeli engineers, did you misspeak?" asked Amanpour.

Barak, who was Israel's prime minister from 1999 to 2001, responded, "decades ago, we were running the place, so we helped them." The Gaza Strip has been controlled by Hamas since 2007.

"It was many decades ago...that we helped them build these bunkers in order to enable more space for the operation of the hospital within the very limited size of these compounds."

Following a pause, Amanpour seemed surprised and struggled to find her next words. "That's sort of thrown me a little bit."


As Newsweek has previously reported in a Fact Check, several outlets had reported that a bunker or basement had been built at Israel's discretion in the 1980s although whether Hamas has used it as a military headquarters has not been established.

Reports by left-wing Israeli newspaper Haaretz and other outlets have referred to the hospital's Building No. 2, constructed as an add-on in the 1980s as containing a basement, secure underground operating room and tunnel network.

IDF spokesman, Rear Adm. Daniel Hagari, had said that Israeli intelligence had proven that Hamas used the bunker as its main command area.

The clip of Barak and Amanpour as of Tuesday morning had received more than 860,000 views and sparked a lively thread on social media. Newsweek has contacted the IDF for a response to Barak's comments.

It comes as another video has gone viral after the BBC was invited to film the hospital and compared it with Israel's own footage of the site.

BBC Verify said that the Israeli footage appeared to have been recorded before reporters arrived and that the earlier clip showed fewer weapons which the IDF later explained was because more weaponry had been found later in the day.

BBC analysis editor Ros Atkins on November 17 said the IDF video was posted, then deleted, and reposted again, with references to an Israeli soldier held hostage removed. The IDF said the video was a single shot with no edits although Atkins said there was a moment which appears to show an edit.

"We don't know the reasons for that edit, nor how significant it is," Atkins said in the video which as of Tuesday had received 12.4 million views, adding that Israel's military "says suggestions it is manipulating the media are incorrect."

On Sunday, the Israeli military released footage which it says shows hostages being taken into Shifa following the October 7 attack.

Newsweek could not independently verify these videos.

ah, the pesky FACTS keep jumping into the narrative, don't they.

JMO
 
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“The process of recovering the first group of hostages is expected to start tomorrow at 10am (8am GMT), according to Egyptian media reports. Some have suggested it could happen even earlier at 7am local time. Israel is yet to confirm the time.

Hamas terrorists are set to provide Israel with a list on Wednesday night of ten hostages set to be released tomorrow via the Red Cross, reports Israel National News. On Friday and Saturday, ten hostages will be released each day, while a further 20 will be released on Sunday - the last day of the ceasefire, according to reports.”

[…]

“Israel's Ministry of Justice published a list of 300 Palestinians who will be released as part of the ceasefire deal with Hamas.

Among those released are operatives of Hamas, Islamic Jihad, Fatah and the Popular Front and some were tried in military courts and some in civilian courts.”

Lots of other information/content at this article.
I'm happy Hamas will be releasing hostages. Why isn't it a one-for-one release?
 
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I’m eagerly awaiting the BBC to drop the fabled “stiff upper lip” and admit they were WRONG.

WRONG to blame Israel about hospital explosions when it was Hamas who misfired a rocket, WRONG to doubt Israel regarding the tunnels, still WRONG to speculate that the doctors in Shifa were unaware of the tunnels when it was well-known, and when they are seen in Palestinian video chatting with Hamas. No urgency, as we can see.

Did the Gaza doctors gasp in surprise and confusion when they saw the tunnels being uncovered right beneath their feet? Right near their vulnerable patients? Did they race to call authorities and demand Hamas be forced out of their hospital corridors with their weapons? Did they relay to Israel that they, who took an oath to “first do no harm,” saw some hostages right in front of them?

No, they did not.

Had they done something constructive that first day, there would have been so much less destruction all around. But their loyalty is to Hamas.


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Amanpour: "When you say [the bunker under al-Shifa] was built by Israeli engineers, did you misspeak?Ehud Barak: "No, decades ago, we were running the place... we helped them to build these bunkers."Amanpour: "Ok. That's sort of thrown me a little bit."




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Hamas has tunnels all over Gaza. I've seen videos of them. They look more substantial than what is under Shifa.

I think Israel built the sinks and lavatory etc.

I don't see any evidence that hostages were under Shifa. Not even a candy wrapper or anything. No sign of habitation. Certainly no sign of a "Command and Control Center". Heck, how did they get all their huge equipment out of there so quickly? How did they get the hostages' beds up the narrow spiral steps? How did they get rocket launchers up the steps so quickly? All I saw were electrical cables and possible AC access from the hospital. I did not see any weapons in the tunnels under Shifa.

Hamas has tunnels all over Gaza and I've seen numerous ones which are more sophisticated than what is under Shifa.

ETA: I know there was a substantial cache of weapons in a truck at Shifa. I know they found some in the MRI area. I know they put a bunch of weapons on display in the parking lot at Shifa. They claimed they were found on the grounds and in patient areas etc. I hope they also photographed these weapons where they were actually found.
 
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I didn’t hear Mia Schem. Maybe I misheard the pronunciation of her name? Or can someone confirm that she really was not included in the list?
With her wound I would have thought she’d be one of the women and children released.. ;-;

As I initially mentioned, I think her video was hinky, perhaps older than they tried to make it out. I’m wondering if we will even see her emerge alive from this. I’ve had a strange feeling about her since the beginning and I so hope I’m wrong.
 
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Sounds like Pres. Joe is getting fed up!

JMO
Sounds like he's trying to play both sides. And that sucks IMO.

The President reiterated that under no circumstances will the United States permit the forced relocation of Palestinians from Gaza or the West Bank, or the besiegement of Gaza, or the redrawing of the borders of Gaza. He also affirmed that under no circumstances can Gaza remain a sanctuary for Hamas where they can threaten Israel and Palestinians alike

 
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U.S. Central Command has announced that the USS Thomas Hudner (DDG-116) an Arleigh Burke-Class Guided Missile Destroyer of the U.S. Navy has Shot Down several “Kamikaze” Attack Drones over the Red Sea that were launched by the Houthi Terrorist Organization in Yemen towards Southern Israel early this morning; the Ship and its Crew are reported to have not sustained any Damage or Injuries.
 
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White House: War won’t end after multi-day truce, Hamas still poses a threat​



“The fight is not over. The war is not over. The threat that Hamas poses is still real and still viable to the Israeli people,” Kirby says during a briefing with American Jewish community leaders.

Kirby reiterates that the US will “continue to make sure that we’re giving [Israel] the tools the capabilities the weapons systems that they need to continue to go after Hamas.”

more:https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveb...r-multi-day-truce-hamas-still-poses-a-threat/
 
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"Israel's agreement with Hamas.

White House:

Unbearable negotiations.


According to the White House, the agreement was the result of
five weeks of 'unbearable' negotiations
that were broken down several times.

It added that the authorities of Qatar and Egypt played an important role, as well as the heads of
the CIA and Mossad,
Bill Burns and David Barnea, who were the main negotiators.

It was Qatar, which has contacts with Hamas, that was
the first to propose an agreement,
and when its actions led to the release of the first group of hostages, Washington decided to seek the release of a larger number of detained people, which in turn required the release of some Palestinian prisoners in Israel.

Joe Biden said in a statement that he
'welcomes the agreement'.

'As president, I have no higher priority than ensuring the safety of Americans held hostage around the world.

That's why, from the earliest moments of Hamas's brutal attack, my national security team and I have worked closely with regional partners to do everything we
can to free our fellow citizens',
the document reads.

Agreement with Hamas. Türkiye is participating in the talks.

'Turkish intelligence and diplomacy,

as well as the Qatari authorities are involved in efforts to release the Hamas hostages',
announced President Recep Tayyip Erdogan during his visit to Algeria.

The talks are attended by Foreign Minister Hakan Fidan and intelligence chief Ibrahim Kalin, as well as representatives of Qatar.

'Turkey hopes to achieve positive results on the hostage exchange agreement between Israel and Hamas as soon as possible.

Without achieving a just political solution to the Palestinian issue,
establishing lasting peace and stability in our region is not possible',
Erdogan noted."


From my country's MSM
 
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Amanpour: "When you say [the bunker under al-Shifa] was built by Israeli engineers, did you misspeak?Ehud Barak: "No, decades ago, we were running the place... we helped them to build these bunkers."Amanpour: "Ok. That's sort of thrown me a little bit."




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Hamas has tunnels all over Gaza. I've seen videos of them. They look more substantial than what is under Shifa.

I think Israel built the sinks and lavatory etc.

I don't see any evidence that hostages were under Shifa. Not even a candy wrapper or anything. No sign of habitation. Certainly no sign of a "Command and Control Center". Heck, how did they get all their huge equipment out of there so quickly? How did they get the hostages' beds up the narrow spiral steps? How did they get rocket launchers up the steps so quickly? All I saw were electrical cables and possible AC access from the hospital. I did not see any weapons in the tunnels under Shifa.

Hamas has tunnels all over Gaza and I've seen numerous ones which are more sophisticated than what is under Shifa.

ETA: I know there was a substantial cache of weapons in a truck at Shifa. I know they found some in the MRI area. I know they put a bunch of weapons on display in the parking lot at Shifa. They claimed they were found on the grounds and in patient areas etc. I hope they also photographed these weapons where they were actually found.
Israel designed and built Al Shifa in the 80’s to mimic Ichilov Hospital in Israel. It has bunkers underneath for protection from terror attacks (bomb shelters for doctors and civilians, unlike Hamas).This was never a secret.

I doubt the toilets and sinks were built 40 years ago. But thats JMO. They don’t look 40 years old.

They, indeed, found supplies taken from Israel on 10/7.
IMO we haven’t seen a fraction of what they have discovered.
They are working slowly and diligently in the tunnels to avoid loss of life, as, they are booby trapped.
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Israel designed and built Al Shifa in the 80’s to mimic Ichilov Hospital in Israel. It has bunkers underneath for protection from terror attacks (bomb shelters for doctors and civilians, unlike Hamas).This was never a secret.

I doubt the toilets and sinks were built 40 years ago. But thats JMO. They don’t look 40 years old.

They, indeed, found supplies taken from Israel on 10/7.
IMO we haven’t seen a fraction of what they have discovered.
They are working slowly and diligently in the tunnels to avoid loss of life, as, they are booby trapped.
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Yes, that is what I was talking about that was put on display.
I hope they took pictures for documentation of where they were originally.

I do confess the mini-blinds on one of the doors in the tunnel do not look 40 years old! LOL
Everything else looks like it could be that old. My parents built a cabin between 1973 and 1976. It kinda looks like that.
 
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