Israel - Palestinian militants launch massive attack, 7 Oct 2023 #13

[Dotta]

"Woman who disfigured herself in suspected bomb attack in Jerusalem is among the Palestinians reunited with their families after being released in Hamas-Israel deal."​

Woman who disfigured herself in 'bomb attack' is released from jail

Israa Jaabis, 38, (pictured) was released on Saturday as part of the agreement with Hamas that will see Israeli hostages freed in exchange for Palestinian prisoners.

www.dailymail.co.uk

 

[Deleted member 39678]

I felt claustrophobic reading Nicole Johnson's informative article and I applaud your decision to allow it to stand for information and giving an idea of how we arrived at this impasse.

I am ashamed to say I hadn't really given much thought to the situation in the Gaza strip until the news was broken of the outrage of the 7th. Me and most of the rest of the civilised world.
But we know for a certainty that more unarmed civilians will be killed in their thousands if the war is allowed to continue. Because there is absolutely nowhere for them to go. And that really is unacceptable.


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It's simple. If this war is to stop Hamas needs to surrender and totally disarm. Or face destruction.

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[Dotta]

It's simple. If this war is to stop Hamas needs to surrender and totally disarm. Or face destruction.

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It was not my post you were responding to, but I would like to answer.

As many experts around the world stated,
pursuing an exclusively physical response to Hamas may weaken the group,
but it is unlikely to completely destroy it.
Hamas operational commanders were likely transferred from the Gaza Strip before the attack, perhaps to Lebanon, Iran or Syria, to ensure the continuity of the organization, especially among its hardliners.

A collapse could lead to the emergence of an even more dangerous group,
which could rise from the ashes in Gaza
and continue acts of violence and terrorism against Israel.

Political and diplomatic measures are needed,
not more violence.

Thousands are already dead.
There are Hostages in the tunnels waiting to be freed.

JMO

 

[Deleted member 39678]

As many experts around the world stated,
pursuing an exclusively physical response to Hamas may weaken the group,
but it is unlikely to completely destroy it.
Hamas operational commanders were likely transferred from the Gaza Strip before the attack, perhaps to Lebanon, Iran or Syria, to ensure the continuity of the organization, especially among its hardliners.

A collapse could lead to the emergence of an even more dangerous group,
which could rise from the ashes in Gaza
and continue acts of violence and terrorism against Israel.

Political and diplomatic measures are needed,
not more violence.

Thousands are already dead.
There are Hostages in the tunnels waiting to be freed.

JMO

One or two things are going to happen. The Palestinians will rise up against Hamas and remove them from power and stop their reign of terror or Israel will do the job for them.

It's their choice. JMO.

 

[JennieM]

1h ago

Syria says Israeli strikes put Damascus airport out of service​

Israeli airstrikes on Sunday made Damascus airport inoperable just hours after flights resumed following a similar attack last month, a war monitor said, as state media also reported the attack.

“Israeli warplanes on Sunday afternoon carried out a new raid targeting Damascus international airport... putting it out of service again,” the Britain-based Syrian Observatory for Human Rights said.

Agence France-Presse also reported it as saying the raid targeted the runways and that the sound of an explosion was heard from the direction of a military airport in the Mazzeh area on the other side of Damascus.

An officer and two other personnel were wounded in the strike that targeted “an air defence forces base in the Mazzeh area”, the observatory added later.

A military source said in a statement carried by state news agency Sana that about 4.50pm (1350 GMT) “the Zionist enemy carried out an air attack with missiles from the direction of the occupied Syrian Golan”.

The raid targeted “Damascus international airport and some points in the Damascus countryside”, putting the airport out of service and causing “some material losses”, it said.

Air defences “destroyed most” of the missiles, the statement added.

Syria says Israeli strikes put Damascus airport out of service – as it happened

This blog is now closed

www.theguardian.com

 

[PommyMommy]

2 Medium-Range Ballistic Missiles were launched at the USS Mason (DDG-87) this evening by the Houthi Terrorist Organization in Yemen after the Ship participated in the Arrest of several Houthi Members who attempted to Hijack a Israeli-Linked Chemical Tanker earlier today in the Gulf of Aden; the Missiles were reported to have not required Interception and both fell short of the Ship.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1728959159197163640

 

[PommyMommy]

Prior to the operational pause, IDF aircraft eliminated five senior Hamas commanders in Gaza:
· Ahmed Ghandour, Commander of Hamas' Northern Gaza Brigade
· Aiman Siam, Head of Hamas' Rockets Array
· Wael Rajeb, Deputy Commander of Hamas’ Northern Gaza Brigade
· Farsan Halifa, Senior operative in Hamas' Judea and Samaria Headquarters
· Rafet Salman, Commander of the Combat Assistance Unit in northern Gaza

https://twitter.com/x/status/1728957755770200182

 

[Momoffourboys]

Prior to the operational pause, IDF aircraft eliminated five senior Hamas commanders in Gaza:
· Ahmed Ghandour, Commander of Hamas' Northern Gaza Brigade
· Aiman Siam, Head of Hamas' Rockets Array
· Wael Rajeb, Deputy Commander of Hamas’ Northern Gaza Brigade
· Farsan Halifa, Senior operative in Hamas' Judea and Samaria Headquarters
· Rafet Salman, Commander of the Combat Assistance Unit in northern Gaza
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https://twitter.com/x/status/1728957755770200182

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(Of course, they were hiding in tunnels.)

One strike targeted a tunnel where several senior Hamas military commanders were hiding, including Ghandour and Siam, Hagari said.

The other strike targeted a tunnel where senior members of Hamas’s politburo were hiding, including Rawhi Mushtaha, Essam al-Dalis and Sameh al-Siraj, he added.

Hagari said at the time that “Hamas is trying to hide the results of the strike.”

Ghandour is believed to have survived several IDF assassination attempts, including in 2002 and 2012, and the US State Department designated him as a global terrorist in 2017.

He served time in Israeli prisons from 1988 to 1994 and was jailed by the Palestinian Authority from 1995 to 2000.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/hamas-confirms-senior-commanders-killed-in-earlier-gaza-fighting/

 

[Momoffourboys]

Jewish groups joins calls for hate crime probe into Vermont shooting of Palestinians​

Jewish groups are joining growing calls denouncing the shooting of three men of Palestinian descent in Vermont and urging the attack be investigated as a possible hate crime.

Police are searching for the shooting suspect after the attack, which occurred at about 6:25 p.m. Saturday, Burlington Police Chief Jon Murad said.

“At a time of rising incidents of identity-based hate all too often targeting the Muslim & Jewish communities in increasingly violent ways, we join in the call to law enforcement to investigate this as a possible hate crime,” the New England chapter of the Anti-Defamation League says on X.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog-november-27-2023/?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter

 

[Friday Fan]

Don't shoot. I'm only the messenger.

Can the Palestinian Authority Really Govern Gaza After the War? (Published 2023)

Considered authoritarian and corrupt, the Palestinian Authority is still Washington’s choice to run the enclave. But many believe it can be credible now only if it includes Hamas.

www.nytimes.com

The NYT times talked to people in the West Bank.

Paraphrasing because it's behind a paywall.

Despite Oct. 7 Palestinians in the West Bank have generally hailed Hama and do not see the Palestinian Authority capable of governing Gaza and for the PA to survive, it must broaden its base to include Hamas.

Here is what some are saying:

I hope Hamas comes here. The PA has taken a lot from us.
A housewife from Ramallah: Hamas does for the people.
Abbas has not stood up to settlers
If we have a fair election, Hamas will win
America thinks it is 30 years ago.
Israel cannot finish Hamas, because it is in the hearts of the people.
Hamas can be part of a real peace process.
Hamas is the leader, like it or not.

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MOO: What amazes me is the support despite the fact that Hamas has stolen much of Gaza's resources.
Snipped from the article-


Response from @PapillonVert:

“Who is the Palestinian leadership now? It’s Hamas, like it or not,” Mr. Nusseibeh said. “At the moment Hamas is seen by Palestinians as the foremost representative of Palestinian interests.” And why? “Because no one else is. The Palestinian Authority doesn’t figure in people’s minds,” he said.

Yet what has kept the Palestinian Authority alive through years of international neglect and Israeli dominance is a lack of alternatives.”

Lack of alternatives sticks to me as a recurring theme. I read this as “there’s no other good option but if there was I’d take it.”

 

[Friday Fan]

What Will Happen in Gaza After Israel Stops Its War on Hamas?

There’s little agreement — and even less optimism — about what a settlement should look like.

www.bloomberg.com

 

[Deleted member 39678]

Biden secretly APOLOGIZES to group of Muslim Americans in meeting

The president, 81, faced five Muslim community figureheads who were irate one day after he publicly dismissed a Palestinian death toll on October 25.

www.dailymail.co.uk

Because Hamas, the terrorist organization who slaughtered 1,300 Israelis, are the body who release Gaza's death toll, the numbers were approached with caution at the beginning of the conflict.

All five at Biden's meeting said that they knew people that were affected by the ordeal in Gaza.

One of the people present said they'd lost 100 members of their family.

It was at this point Biden allegedly apologized for his words and actions.

He reportedly told them: 'I'm sorry. I'm disappointed in myself. I will do better.

 

[MyBelle]

It was not my post you were responding to, but I would like to answer.

As many experts around the world stated,
pursuing an exclusively physical response to Hamas may weaken the group,
but it is unlikely to completely destroy it.
Hamas operational commanders were likely transferred from the Gaza Strip before the attack, perhaps to Lebanon, Iran or Syria, to ensure the continuity of the organization, especially among its hardliners.

A collapse could lead to the emergence of an even more dangerous group,
which could rise from the ashes in Gaza
and continue acts of violence and terrorism against Israel.

Political and diplomatic measures are needed,
not more violence.

Thousands are already dead.
There are Hostages in the tunnels waiting to be freed.

JMO

BBM. It will be impossible to destroy all of Hamas because some of its leaders don't live in Gaza. I think a 2-state "solution" was its goal and it will be achieved. I also think the PM will be left with the same choice as Richard Nixon: either resign or face prosecution.

JMO

 

[PapillonVert]

Don't shoot. I'm only the messenger.

Can the Palestinian Authority Really Govern Gaza After the War? (Published 2023)

Considered authoritarian and corrupt, the Palestinian Authority is still Washington’s choice to run the enclave. But many believe it can be credible now only if it includes Hamas.

www.nytimes.com

The NYT times talked to people in the West Bank.

Paraphrasing because it's behind a paywall.

Despite Oct. 7 Palestinians in the West Bank have generally hailed Hama and do not see the Palestinian Authority capable of governing Gaza and for the PA to survive, it must broaden its base to include Hamas.

Here is what some are saying:

I hope Hamas comes here. The PA has taken a lot from us.
A housewife from Ramallah: Hamas does for the people.
Abbas has not stood up to settlers
If we have a fair election, Hamas will win
America thinks it is 30 years ago.
Israel cannot finish Hamas, because it is in the hearts of the people.
Hamas can be part of a real peace process.
Hamas is the leader, like it or not.

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“Who is the Palestinian leadership now? It’s Hamas, like it or not,” Mr. Nusseibeh said. “At the moment Hamas is seen by Palestinians as the foremost representative of Palestinian interests.” And why? “Because no one else is. The Palestinian Authority doesn’t figure in people’s minds,” he said.

Yet what has kept the Palestinian Authority alive through years of international neglect and Israeli dominance is a lack of alternatives.”

Lack of alternatives sticks out to me as a recurring theme. I read this as “there’s no other good option but if there was I’d take it.”

 

[Friday Fan]

Snipped from the article-
“Who is the Palestinian leadership now? It’s Hamas, like it or not,” Mr. Nusseibeh said. “At the moment Hamas is seen by Palestinians as the foremost representative of Palestinian interests.” And why? “Because no one else is. The Palestinian Authority doesn’t figure in people’s minds,” he said.

Yet what has kept the Palestinian Authority alive through years of international neglect and Israeli dominance is a lack of alternatives.”

Lack of alternatives sticks to me as a recurring theme. I read this as “there’s no other good option but if there was I’d take it.”

I hope!
I saw doom and gloom, but that's me....


MOO: I prefer direct links, but that article jarred me so badly. I do prefer everyone can read so they can draw their own conclusions.

 

[PommyMommy]

36 min ago

Israeli military spokesperson claims Hamas violated deal by not releasing teenage hostage's mother​

[...]

On Saturday, 13-year-old Hila Rotem was freed without her mother Raaya Rotem despite demands from Israeli officials.

"They were supposed to not split families, but they released a teenaged girl and they kept her mother, Raaya, in captivity," IDF spokesperson Lt. Col. Jonathan Conricus told CNN.

When the IDF asked about Hila's mother, Hamas claimed they did not know where she is, Conricus said.

"The daughter tells us that they were together up until two days before the release," Conricus said, adding he believes Hamas kept Raaya Rotem to maintain leverage.

"They want to leverage each and every Israeli in their captivity for political pressure," Conricus said.

Conricus said the IDF has indications that Hamas has been moving hostages during the truce period.

"Our security agencies are debriefing and asking questions and trying to learn as much as possible from these women and children," he said.

November 26, 2023 Israel-Hamas war

A third set of hostages was released by Hamas on Sunday, including the first American to be successfully freed, according to Israeli and US officials.

www.cnn.com

 

[JennieM]

36 min ago

Family of Omri Miran, Israeli hostage in Gaza, says they've received confirmation he's alive​

From CNN's Alex Stambaugh

The brother-in-law of Omri Miran, an Israeli hostage still in Gaza, told CNN that the family received confirmation that Miran was still alive as of Sunday morning.

"An hour and a half ago, my sister called me with tears of joy because Omri, my brother-in-law, was confirmed to be alive as of this morning. It was a relief for us to learn that," Moshe Lavi told CNN's Kaitlan Collins. "Receiving this proof of life has been instrumental for us and will give us strength and hope to continue our mission until Omri returns, until everyone is home."

Lavi said the family had received a call from a representative for the Israeli authorities confirming Miran was alive, but that no further details were provided.

The past few days have been an "emotional rollercoaster", Lavi said, seeing photos and videos of freed hostages being reunited with their families, while at the same time knowing there are hostages still in Gaza that have yet to be released.

"It's mixed emotions, but we are delighted that at least we see the beginning or possibly the end of the hostage crisis," Lavi told CNN.

All those released so far under the terms of the deal struck between Israel and Hamas have been women or children, putting the greatest strain on family members with male relatives held hostage.

"Those who are in the Gaza Strip are someone's sons, someone's fathers, someone's grandparents and brothers and they're not merely men, they are meaningful human beings to someone else and I hope that we will see them back," he said.

Lavi's sister, Lishai Lavi, her husband Omri and their two young daughters were at home in Nahal Oz when Hamas gunmen broke into their homes during the October 7th attack and held them hostage. Hamas eventually kidnapped Omri, while Lishai and their daughters survived.

November 26, 2023 Israel-Hamas war

A third set of hostages was released by Hamas on Sunday, including the first American to be successfully freed, according to Israeli and US officials.

edition.cnn.com

 

[Dotta]

"Thousands of Israelis ​

gather outside Benjamin Netanyahu's house in Jerusalem ​

for protest against PM's 'mishandling' of war with Hamas."​

Demonstrators marched and chanted while holding Israeli flags and banners condemning Netanyahu and demanding he leave office.

They held their Prime Minister responsible for Hamas' brutal invasion on October 7,
in which some 240 captives were taken and about 1,400 people were killed.

One protester, Rani Graff, said:
'Benjamin Netanyahu,
the current Prime Minister of Israel [needs] to leave his job because he is the one responsible for the October 7 disaster,
the biggest one we have in the history of Israel,
where 1,400 people were murdered, and babies, women and children were kidnapped, raped and burnt to death.

'We need him to go,
he is responsible, we need him to go now, yesterday'.

Another person held up a banner which read: 'Netanyahu destroyed Israel.'

Other protesters reportedly chanted:
'Because of you we are dead, get out of our lives'."

Israelis outside Benjamin Netanyahu's house in Jerusalem for protest

Demonstrators marched and chanted while holding Israeli flags and banners condemning Benjamin Netanyahu and demanding he leave office last night.

www-dailymail-co-uk.cdn.ampproject.org

 

[margarita25]

Prime Minister of Qatar: More than 40 women and children in captivity in Gaza - apparently not held by Hamas. According to him, they do not have any information regarding "how many they can locate. One of the goals of the ceasefire is to allow this"
@sapirlipkin

https://x.com/N12News/status/1728866252796666259?s=20

BBM from above:

“According to him, they do not have any information regarding "how many they can locate.”

Might this by chance include Shiri, Kfir, and Ariel Bibas?

In the very beginning of this truce deal, it was initially reported that their names were first on the list as he was showing images and reading names of those to be released on the first day.

We know that mothers and children are a first priority in this deal. The baby is the youngest being held, right?

Will they be released during the window of the current deals.

Or are they some of the 40 women and children that they supposedly can’t find.

Wasn’t it shortly after the Bibas’ names were announced by that reporter, there was that official comment following about a delay due to not being able to verify some information about the hostages. It was one sentence, I posted it, will try to remember and source, feel free to jump in if you remember. What is the time stamp on both of those events. I think it was afterwards? Need to confirm.

Then there was also the official announcement afterwards that names will not be released, so as to not get hopes up, but this was after media outlets released names. So the media outlets got their names from somewhere, which I would think would be an official source. So did Israel change its mind on that policy after they couldn’t verify information about names specifically on that original list?

What all names were on that original list, and which ones out those first released names have been released to date.

So point is I’m wondering if they could be part of the “more than 40”…

Sick typing this.

Hope to see more developments re: the above as still behind.


There was one particular video which had translated “audio” from her abductors, which I deleted, because the narration/translation was questionable.

There is also the video of her and the kids shown on the back of the truck, which would show which abductors. Who else was in the group of hostages abducted in that same vehicle.

 

[PapillonVert]

I hope!
I saw doom and gloom, but that's me....

I see it too, but I’m hopeful anyway.

I think a lot of it depends on what happens after Hamas is defeated.