Israel - Palestinian militants launch massive attack, 7 Oct 2023 #13

[katydid23]

I see the people of Gaza on their knees if not under rubble. I am not sure how much they can be their own freedom fighters at the moment.

Then what is the answer? Because Hamas leaders have continuously and consistently said that their mission is to clear the entire land mass of Jews. They want Israel to be exterminated.

And they begin teaching that hatred to the children at a very young age. They are indoctrinated against Jewish people.

October 7th showed Israel once and for all that they could no longer ignore that threat and that hatred. The people of Gaza need to choose a side. IMO

<modsnip - political commentary>

Too many civilians dying. Yes, we can agree on that.

Yes, that we can agree upon. Now we need to come up with a real solution.

 

[margarita25]

Who are Israeli hostages released and rescued from Gaza?

Hamas took 251 people hostage in the 7 October 2023 attack on Israel.

www.bbc.com

26th November 2023, 06:48 MST

 

[katydid23]

"Thousands of Israelis ​

gather outside Benjamin Netanyahu's house in Jerusalem ​

for protest against PM's 'mishandling' of war with Hamas."​

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Demonstrators marched and chanted while holding Israeli flags and banners condemning Netanyahu and demanding he leave office.

They held their Prime Minister responsible for Hamas' brutal invasion on October 7,
in which some 240 captives were taken and about 1,400 people were killed.

One protester, Rani Graff, said:
'Benjamin Netanyahu,
the current Prime Minister of Israel [needs] to leave his job because he is the one responsible for the October 7 disaster,
the biggest one we have in the history of Israel,
where 1,400 people were murdered, and babies, women and children were kidnapped, raped and burnt to death.

'We need him to go,
he is responsible, we need him to go now, yesterday'.

Another person held up a banner which read: 'Netanyahu destroyed Israel.'

Other protesters reportedly chanted:
'Because of you we are dead, get out of our lives'."

Israelis outside Benjamin Netanyahu's house in Jerusalem for protest

Demonstrators marched and chanted while holding Israeli flags and banners condemning Benjamin Netanyahu and demanding he leave office last night.

www-dailymail-co-uk.cdn.ampproject.org

It doesn't look like there are 'thousands' of protesters there. I question that estimate.

 

[margarita25]

Marking older list from October 22 that contains some info that may be needed for future reference

Hostages held by Hamas: The names of those abducted from Israel

***

www.haaretz.com

October 19

Israel's dead: The names of those killed in Hamas massacres and the Israel-Hamas war

***

www.haaretz.com

——Current List of Hostages——

Hamas hostages: Stories of the people taken from Israel

Around 59 hostages taken during 7 October attacks are still believed to be in Gaza.

www.bbc.com

“This list is regularly updated and names may change, as some people feared kidnapped are confirmed to have been killed or released.”

Last updated on 27 November 2023 at 00:42 GMT

 

[margarita25]

I’m not seeing anything on Tamar Goldenberg. Could be missing it.

Was she found, or identified as deceased? Is she missing and still not ID’d? I’m not seeing her on the hostage lists but could be missing it somewhere. If so apologies.

I wonder if she is still missing.

‘We know nothing’: Sister searches for lost Israeli festivalgoer

The 24-year-old is nowhere to be found.

www.newsnationnow.com

1 month ago:

 

[margarita25]

Ref / November 17

Hamas publishes video of 86-year-old Israeli hostage, raising concerns about his life

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www.haaretz.com

 

[Vern]

It doesn't look like there are 'thousands' of protesters there. I question that estimate.

There could be; it could be merely the angles.

One thing is certain, BN is the top dog and will bear the consequences of the security failure that happened on 7th October 2023 as witnessed by his drop in polling immediately after that date.

Since then, some agree with Israel's response and some don't. Some agree with America's response and some don't. Such is the nature of politics. One can't please everybody.

 

[margarita25]

How long exactly until this next exchange is scheduled, supposed to go down, ugh.

*We of course know anything including delays can still happen and nothing is final until they are actually released.


*if there are not some particular very young children released tomorrow it is going to open up some dark possibilities, imo.

 

[Friday Fan]

Ref / November 17

Hamas publishes video of 86-year-old Israeli hostage, raising concerns about his life

***

www.haaretz.com

He passed away very shortly after this image.

Hamas releases footage of elderly hostage's death

Hamas has broadcast what appears to be the death of an elderly hostage kidnapped by the terror group.

www.telegraph.co.uk

 

[SophieRose]

I’m not seeing anything on Tamar Goldenberg. Could be missing it.

Was she found, or identified as deceased? Is she missing and still not ID’d? I’m not seeing her on the hostage lists but could be missing it somewhere. If so apologies.

I wonder if she is still missing.

‘We know nothing’: Sister searches for lost Israeli festivalgoer

The 24-year-old is nowhere to be found.

www.newsnationnow.com

1 month ago:

She is listed on the map as murdered.

Mapping the Massacres

A geovisualization depicting the atrocities perpetrated by Hamas on Israeli lands on October 7th

oct7map.com

 

[Vern]

With subtitles! Discussing the complex and emotionally loaded period of torn families and selective release of hostages with @kaitlancollins. We rejoice in every freed hostage but are gearing up to return to operations against Hamas as the framework is exhausted.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1729037222710788267

 

[Vern]

He passed away very shortly after this image.

Yes; I watched it when Hamas posted the video onto their telegram account last week.

Edit to clarify: That image is a still shot taken from the video taken of him by Hamas while he was dying.

 

[Dotta]

"Another hostage exchange. Complications arise.

In the picture helicopter carrying hostages released by Hamas

According to local media reports,
Israel has not yet received the list of 11 hostages who are scheduled to be released by Hamas on Monday.

The Israeli government agreed that
the ceasefire could be extended for a maximum of 10 days,
but the number of released Palestinian prisoners could not exceed 300.

The Times of Israel adds that to increase these limits, the agreement must be voted on again by cabinet members.

The exchange process between the parties has been ongoing since Friday.
At that time, by Sunday, three rounds of hostage-prisoner exchanges had already taken place.

Hamas released a total of 40 Israelis and 18 foreigners, and 117 Palestinian women and teenagers were released from Israeli prisons."

Wymiana zakładników trwa. Pojawiły się komplikacje

Wymiana więźniów między Izraelem a Hamasem trwa od piątku. Czwartego dnia rozejmu w walkach między stronami pojawiły się jednak pewne komplikacje.

wydarzenia.interia.pl

From my country's MSM

 

[margarita25]

Something is really gnawing at me tonight about this upcoming hostage release. Got a weird feeling, maybe just exhaustion. Very anxious, as always of course with everything about this, but based on the recent comments about these unaccounted for hostages, and after thinking about these lists all night. I think it’s going to be somewhat revealing.

I know re: Israeli-Russian hostage released it was said in one of the videos Putin stepped in on this. Was this hostage a separate negotiation like the Thais, or was he included as part of the deal that was to include women and children. I am of course happy if any hostage is released, but just wondering wrt the terms of the agreement.

 

[margarita25]

1 hour ago:

https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/israel-says-it-got-list-of-hostages-to-be-freed-is-holding-discussions-about-it/

“The Prime Minister’s Office says “discussions” are ongoing regarding a list of Gaza hostages to be released today that was received overnight and is being “evaluated.””


* Additional info to be “issued when possible.”

* not clear what discussions are about and whether Israel has problem with list

 

[Vern]

I’m not seeing anything on Tamar Goldenberg. Could be missing it.

Was she found, or identified as deceased? Is she missing and still not ID’d? I’m not seeing her on the hostage lists but could be missing it somewhere. If so apologies.

I wonder if she is still missing.

‘We know nothing’: Sister searches for lost Israeli festivalgoer

The 24-year-old is nowhere to be found.

www.newsnationnow.com

1 month ago:

Confirmed as murdered on 22 October 2023.

https://twitter.com/search?q=tamar%20goldenberg&src=typed_query

 

[margarita25]

Israel finds issue in list of hostages set for release from Gaza​

Qatari mediators are working to resolve the issue and avoid any delay in Monday's planned releases, an official briefed on the matter told Reuters.​

Gaza war pause extended by 2 days says US as 11 captives freed | The Jerusalem Post

Qatari mediators are working to resolve the issue and avoid any delay in Monday's planned releases, an official briefed on the matter told Reuters.

www.jpost.com

Per above link, there is speculation that the delay in confirming list to families could be due to another violation of hostage release agreement to not separate families, “The Jerusalem Post could not verify this claim.”

 

[margarita25]

Freed Israeli Hostages Share Details of Captivity, Relatives Say (Published 2023)

Two days after the first batch of hostages was released, relatives who have spoken or met with them said they seemed to have been totally cut off from the outside world.

www.nytimes.com

11/26/23

“The freed hostages have not spoken directly to the news media and most are still being treated in private areas of Israeli hospitals. Much of the information about where, and how, they were held remains classified.”

[…]

“The uncle of two hostages who were among those freed late Saturday — Noam Or, 17, and his sister Alma, 13 — told the BBC on Sunday that they, too, were unaware until their release that their mother, Yonat Or, had been killed in the Oct. 7 terrorist attacks.

“They have some difficult stories to tell of the way they were captured and treated,” Ahal Besorai said of his nephew and niece. He said he had spoken with them on a video call at the hospital where they are staying.”

 

[margarita25]

“Severe” conditions in captivity, not treated well, complete blackness:

 

[margarita25]

Israel reportedly raises concerns with list of hostages up for release Monday​

Hamas also said to take issue with security inmates up for release * Extension of four-day truce said under discussion * Freed hostage Elma Avraham, 84, still fighting for her life​

https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog-november-27-2023/

“Israel has taken issue with the list it has received of hostages who are set for release later today, according to Hebrew media outlets and the Reuters news agency.

Reuters cites an unnamed official briefed on the matter as saying Jerusalem has raised concerns over the names on the list, and that the Hamas terror group has similarly claimed that a list of Palestinian security prisoners Israel intends to release is problematic.

The agency says Qatari mediators are trying to resolve the matters to avoid delays in today’s exchange.”