Israel - Palestinian militants launch massive attack, 7 Oct 2023 #3

[margarita25]

Are ground operations (such as this) best done in darkness or daylight??

(Let me ask Chapgpt real quick.

Eta: Actually nevermind, I don’t want it to know about my websleuthing endeavors.)

 

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[DS2021]

Are ground operations (such as this) best done in darkness or daylight??

I feel like i wouldnt want to navigate a city full of hostiles in the pitch dark

 

[PommyMommy]

Israel-Hamas war live updates: Gaza hit with more shelling as Israel defends evacuation order (nbcnews.com)
3m ago / 10:29 AM PDT

Blinken visits Arab nations to ensure cooperation amid Israel-Hamas war​

Secretary of State Antony Blinken is visiting Arab nations in an effort to prevent the Israel-Hamas war from expanding.

Blinken met with the Foreign Defense Minister Khalid bin Salman Al Saud in Saudi Arabia and headed to the United Arab Emirates where he sat down with President Mohammed bin Zayed Al Nahyan.

Blinken also intends to preserve a previous deal to stabilize relations between Israel and Saudi Arabia, which was recently put on hold by Saudi Arabia.

 

[PommyMommy]

Israel-Hamas war live: two safe routes open for people fleeing northern Gaza, says Israel, as UN warns water running out (theguardian.com)
4m ago18.29 BST
Israel has admitted to intelligence “mistakes” in failing to predict Hamas’s attacks last weekend.

“It’s my mistake, and it reflects the mistakes of all those making [intelligence] assessments,” Israel’s national security adviser Tzachi Hanegbi said at a press briefing, Agence France-Presse reports.

“We really believed that Hamas learned the lesson from” its last major war with Israel in 2021, Hanegbi added.

He went on to refuse negotiations surrounding prisoner swaps with Hamas, saying, “There’s no way to negotiate with an enemy we have sworn to obliterate.”

 

[fred&edna]

I feel like i wouldnt want to navigate a city full of hostiles in the pitch dark

Thank you. I felt the same but wasn't sure.

 

[Betty P]

Shouldn't this be like a police action, instead of a ground war? Wouldn't it make more sense to find and capture the criminal element while leaving the city itself intact as much as possible. It would make things easier when the residents are allowed to return.

Not everything needs to be treated like a military attack. JMO

 

[otto]

14m ago
Lebanon said on Saturday that Israel had launched a deadly strike on Friday that killed a Reuters journalist and injured six other journalists from Agence France-Presse, Reuters and Al Jazeera.

The Lebanese army said in a statement that “the Israeli enemy fired a rocket shell that hit a civilian car belonging to a media team, leading to the death of Issam Abdallah”, AFP reports.

Lebanon’s foreign ministry called the strike a “deliberate killing” and a “crime against freedom of speech and journalism”.

Fatima Kanso, Abdallah’s mother, said: “Israel deliberately killed my son. They were all wearing journalists’ gear and the word ‘press’ was visible. Israel cannot deny this crime,’” Reuters reports.

The AFP photographer Christina Assi and AFP video journalist Dylan Collins were among the six journalists wounded.

“We were filming smoke billowing from Israeli artillery fire targeting a distant hill in front of us,” Collins told the AFP, adding, “There was no military activity in our direct vicinity and no artillery fire near us.”

Al Jazeera has also accused Israel of launching the deadly strike, which injured its reporter Carmen Joukhadar. Joukhadar said she and her colleagues had been filming footage on a hill “in an open-air area, without any military sites near us”.

AFP reports Joukhadar running to her car for shelter when the first strike landed. “Then I thought I shouldn’t be close to the car, so I ran and the second strike hit” the vehicle, Joukhadar said.

An Israeli military spokesperson said that the military was looking into the circumstances surrounding the deadly strikes.

300 Palestinians killed in past 24 hours, health ministry reports – as it happened

Israeli PM posts video to troops saying ‘we are all ready’

www.theguardian.com

It's a bit of a tricky situation, isn't it.

There's a war, and two parties on opposite sides of the border are exchanging bombs and bullets. On one side, there is a camera crew filming all the soldier locations and manoeuvres on the other side. They have a sign claiming to be journalists.

The journalists were probably streaming to someone in a third location.

The soldiers who are being bombarded with bombs and bullets should ignore the camera that is filming their activities, or should they eliminate the camera. What would most reasonable people do to ensure their survival?

 

[JennieM]

11m ago
Israel has admitted to intelligence ‘mistakes’ in failing to predict Hamas’s attacks last weekend.

“It’s my mistake, and it reflects the mistakes of all those making [intelligence] assessments,” Israel’s national security adviser Tzachi Hanegbi said at a press briefing, Agence France-Presse reports.

“We really believed that Hamas learned the lesson from,” its last major war with Israel in 2021, Hanegbi added.

He went on to refuse negotiations surrounding prisoner swaps with Hamas, saying: “There’s no way to negotiate with an enemy we have sworn to obliterate.”

300 Palestinians killed in past 24 hours, health ministry reports – as it happened

Israeli PM posts video to troops saying ‘we are all ready’

www.theguardian.com

 

[PommyMommy]

3min ago

Liberman announces he is joining emergency government​

Yisrael Beytenu opposition party head Avigdor Liberman is joining the national emergency government and its security cabinet “immediately,” according to a statement from Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu’s Likud party.

Liberman, a former defense minister, offered to join Netanyahu’s government shortly after war broke out. The former Netanyahu ally politically broke with the premier in 2019 and has been a bitter opponent.

Liberman will join the security cabinet — but not the narrow war cabinet — and a second member of Yisrael Beytenu will join the broader cabinet.

Liberman’s addition to the security cabinet is expected to further weaken the influence of far-right ministers Itamar Ben Gvir and Bezalel Smotrich.

 

[Chimera]

Israeli strike on Gaza convoy fleeing on approved route 'kills 70'

A statement from Al Qassam Brigades on its Telegram channel said the captives were killed 'because of the zionist bombardment on the areas they were staying in'.

www.dailymail.co.uk

Alleged Israeli strike on Palestinian convoy killed Palestinians fleeing Gaza.

An Israeli airstrike on a Palestinian convoy fleeing northern Gaza on a route reportedly approved by the Israeli Defense Force (IDF) killed as many as 70 people, the Hamas-run Palestinian health ministry has said.
Red emphasis mine.

What IF Hamas themselves bombed this convoy ?
I wouldn't put it past them.

But I hesitate to think that the IDF would knowingly target civilians, esp. after what happened a week ago ?
Omo.

 

[Inthedetails]

Shouldn't this be like a police action, instead of a ground war? Wouldn't it make more sense to find and capture the criminal element while leaving the city itself intact as much as possible. It would make things easier when the residents are allowed to return.

Not everything needs to be treated like a military attack. JMO

Whose police?

 

[JennieM]

Two Lebanese civilians killed in southern Lebanon - mayor​

Two Lebanese civilians have been killed in shelling of the southern Lebanese village of Shebaa, its mayor says, as cross-border violence intensifies.

Mohammad Harb told the BBC the victims were a couple in their late 60s.

“They were killed by four Israeli rockets as they were sitting at home around dusk,” he said.

The BBC could not independently verify the claim, and the Israeli military has been approached for comment.

The village is located near the disputed Shebaa Farms/Mount Dov area, in the Lebanon-Israel-Syria border area.

Violence in southern Lebanon near the border with Israel has escalated since the Israel-Hamas war broke out, a week ago.

Militants in Lebanon - including from the Hezbollah group - and the Israeli army have exchanged rockets and shelling in recent days.

Earlier, Hezbollah said it had attacked an Israeli surveillance and monitoring centre in Shebaa Farms/Mount Dov.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/world-middle-east-67108364

 

[JennieM]

Humanity is failing, UN aid chief says​

Staying with the humanitarian situation in Gaza for a moment, the UN has been speaking more about its fears on this.

The conditions are "fast becoming untenable," UN aid chief Martin Griffiths said.

There is no power, water or fuel in Gaza, and food is running dangerously low, Griffiths said, adding that families have been bombed "while inching their way south along congested, damaged roads, following an evacuation order by Israel".

"I fear that the worst is yet to come," he added. "Humanity is failing."

Amid calls from the UN for ramping up efforts to let humanitarian aid into Gaza, a total number of at least five planes carrying humanitarian relief have arrived in Egypt's Sinai, the Red Cross officials said.

The World Health Organization said a plane carrying trauma medicines and health supplies had also landed.

Al Arish airport on Sinai is about 45 km (28 miles) from the Gaza border, but the Rafah crossing remains closed.

Turkey's and Germany's foreign ministers are in Egypt today, working with Egyptian officials to get aid into Gaza.

Germany and the US are also working on taking their citizens out of Gaza to Egypt through Rafah.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/world-middle-east-67108364

 

[margarita25]

I feel like i wouldnt want to navigate a city full of hostiles in the pitch dark

A long time ago while talking about self defense with an Israeli soldier, (I swear lol), I was told that one effective method/weapon IDF is famous for/knows how to use and implement is the weapon of “light”. I learned that at night, if a predator approaches, a very bright flash of light right up in the face of the attacker can be quite effective. Ever since then I have always carried a big camping flash light thing and have practiced the maneuver.

Not that this answers the great question of whether they will choose to invade in the darkness or light lol. They would presumably have night goggles, etc. of course, but I would think the ground invasion would occur in both the hours of darkness and light, as who knows how long this ground invasion will last.

Just wanted to share about IDF and their known use of “light” as a weapon. I’m curious now what kind of documentation exists about this specifically, if any.

 

[Chimera]

Israel kill top Hamas commander they released in 2011 prisoner swap

Ali Qadi was arrested by Israel in 2005 for the kidnapping and murder of civilians before being released into the Gaza Strip as part of a 2011 prisoner exchange.

www.dailymail.co.uk

Israel today announced it had killed two top Hamas commanders in a wave of airstrikes on the terror group.

Ali Qadi was arrested by Israel in 2005 for the kidnapping and murder of civilians before being released into the Gaza Strip as part of the 2011 Gilad Shalit prisoner exchange.

Israel's Air Force said he had led the 'Nukhba' commando force which gunned down Israeli civilians last Saturday. Officials revealed a black and white video of a massive explosion engulfing a Hamas base where he was said to be located.

Earlier today, the IDF confirmed it had also killed Murad Abu Murad, the leader of Hamas' air forces. They said he played a key part overseeing the attacks last Saturday which saw terrorists descend on civilian targets in Israel using hang gliders.

Some good news for once.
Omo.

 

[Herat]

Israel-Hamas war live updates: Gaza hit with more shelling as Israel defends evacuation order (nbcnews.com)
5m ago / 10:14 AM PDT

Palestinian Health Minister: 15 medical centers damaged, two hospitals stopped providing service, 28 health staff killed​

Fifteen medical centers have been damaged, two hospitals have stopped providing service, 28 health staff were killed and dozens more injured, according to Palestinian Health Minister Mai Al-Kaila.

The two hospitals that stopped providing service are Beit Hanoun Hospital and Al-Durrah Children’s Hospital, Al-Kaila said.

"The Israeli occupation forces daily threaten to evacuate hospitals in the Gaza Strip, which is a clear threat to the lives of hundreds of sick and wounded people, including Al-Durrah Hospital for Children, which was evacuated yesterday after being bombed with internationally banned white phosphorus bombs, and before that, Beit Hanoun Hospital, which also stopped working as a result of the Israeli bombing," Al-Kaila said. He added that 23 ambulances were also damaged and out of service.

A spokesperson for the Israel Defense Forces has denied claims that the country is using white phosphorus munitions in Gaza.

@margarita25, I am no war expert! lol

The Beit Hanoun Hospital is about 1.5 miles from the Erez border crossing. The Al-Durrah Children's hospital is more central into Gaza city.

IDF claims HAMAS tunnels have been built under mosques, apartments and hospitals.

If I were part of a group that was designing tunnels to hold terrorists and arms, I would guess the location of the Beit Hanoun hospital or the Balsam Hospital on Al Awada Street would be very very convenient. Neither are very big hospitals and the Balsam looks private (as in owned by doctors) rather than a university-based large tertiary hospital. It also has an interesting fenced yard next to the hospital that holds large trucks and such, not so much private vehicles of employees, for example. As many of the details I can find are in Arabic, I can't read any more about them.

 

[JennieM]

Pro-Palestinian march draws thousands in London with protests across UK​

Thousands of pro-Palestinian protesters have taken to the streets across the UK, including in London and Manchester.

In London more than 1,000 police officers were deployed as crowds marched from the BBC's New Broadcasting House to Downing Street.

The Met Police said seven people had been arrested, including one for criminal damage and two for public order offences.

[…]

In London at the Palestine Solidarity Campaign demonstration, Palestine flags and supportive placards were waved as people chanted during the march to Downing Street.

The Met Police said as of 17:30 BST on Saturday its "significant policing operation" was "still active".

It said the march had ended and the "majority of the crowd have dispersed".

Police had earlier warned that anyone showing support for Hamas, a proscribed terrorist organisation, or deviating from the route, would face arrest.

[…]

Police appeared to detain several men in Trafalgar Square. One person allegedly threw an object at a police van at the pro-Palestinian demonstrations, near to Nelson's Column in Trafalgar Square.

He was chased by officers and caught whilst jumping into a fountain in the square, which sparked a confrontation between protesters and Met officers - with a semi-circle formed around the man.

The Metropolitan Police earlier said certain areas of central London were covered by a Section 60AA power, which requires a person to remove items such as masks that might be used to conceal their identity, until 22:00 BST. Four arrests were made under these powers.

Earlier conditions put in place under the Public Order Act to deal with the march were lifted on Saturday evening, while special conditions banning people gathering in an area of Kensington High Street - near to the Israeli embassy - remain in place.
The force said it was aware of people lighting flares or fireworks and said: "Action will be taken when we identify those in possession of/throwing them."

[…]

IMAGE SOURCE, REUTERS

Pro-Palestinian march draws thousands in London with protests across UK

Police warn that anyone showing support for Hamas, a proscribed terrorist group, could face arrest.

www.bbc.co.uk

 

[JennieM]

2m ago

Medicins Sans Frontieres has called on the “Israeli authorities to show humanity.”

In a statement issued on Saturday, MSF condemned Israel’s bombardment of the Gaza Strip “without restraint for a week.”

“We are calling for the most elementary humanity to be shown,” it said, adding,

“Despite Israeli announcements suggesting that there are safe areas for the population trapped in the Gaza Strip, they are in fact exposed to bombardment throughout all the territory, including in the south, where tens of thousands of people have fled following the ultimatum.

The injunction to nearly 1.1 million people to move in a few hours to an already overpopulated territory with precarious access to food, water and healthcare is as absurd as it is intolerable.

Our teams are witnessing the fact that drinking water is becoming scarce in the south of the Gaza Strip and the difficulty of obtaining it is adding to the distress of the population. MSF urgently calls for the restoration of sufficient and immediate access to drinking water for the population of the Gaza Strip.

A humanitarian corridor of a few hours decreed today by the Israeli authorities in the north of Gaza has just expired. We are extremely worried about the fate of those who will not be able to move, such as the wounded, the sick and the medical staff, who we fear will be wiped out in view of the statements made by the Israeli military authorities.

MSF is calling for safe zones to remain in the north and for regular ceasefires.

We are also calling for the possibility to flee through the Rafah crossing for those who wish to do so, without prejudice to the right to return. Médecins Sans Frontières has asked for its Palestinian staff who wish to leave to be evacuated.”

300 Palestinians killed in past 24 hours, health ministry reports – as it happened

Israeli PM posts video to troops saying ‘we are all ready’

www.theguardian.com

 

[PommyMommy]

8:48 pm

Israeli families of Gaza hostages accuse government of abandoning their loved ones​

The spokesman of the families of missing Israelis feared held captive in Gaza slams the government for abandoning the hostages after it says it will not take engage in negotiations.

Ronen Tzur, head of The Families Headquarters, says at a press conference in Tel Aviv that if Israel will not negotiate with enemies who want to destroy Israel — according to the statement made earlier by National Security Adviser Tzachi Hanegbi — then the government is, in effect, abandoning the captives.

Tzur says the families are awaiting a clarification of Hanegbi’s statement.

“We’re waiting for clarity from the government,” says Tzur.

Speakers at the press conference, including Dr. Hagai Levine and diplomat Eviatar Manor, demand a response from the government and the Red Cross within the next few hours. Both Levine and Manor emphasize the need to offer immediate medical attention to the captives.

“It’s essential that it’s done now, tonight, immediately,” says Manor.

IDF spokesman Rear Adm. Daniel Hagari says the military has so far notified the families of 126 hostages that their loved ones are being held in the Gaza Strip.

Hamas and Islamic Jihad claim to be holding 130 hostages in the Gaza Strip, with some reports estimating the number as at least 200.