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Italy on Tuesday arrested an Egyptian and an Italian citizen of Egyptian origin on suspicion of terrorism offenses and being members of the Islamic State.
Israel - Palestinian militants launch massive attack, 7 Oct 2023 #4
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Egyptian aid trucks moved closer on Tuesday to the Rafah crossing, but with no agreement in place to deliver relief and the Palestinian side still closed due to strikes it was unclear when they might pass through.
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Egyptian Gaza aid arrives at border but no plan for delivery yet
After nine hours of negotiations, US Secretary of State Antony Blinken said early on Tuesday he had agreed with Israel "to develop a plan" to get aid into Gaza.
Egyptian Gaza aid arrives at border but no plan for delivery yet
After nine hours of negotiations, US Secretary of State Antony Blinken said early on Tuesday he had agreed with Israel "to develop a plan" to get aid into Gaza.
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For the first four days of the war, Adly Saleem kept working at a construction site near Tel Aviv, trying not to panic. Like thousands of other Palestinian workers from Gaza, he found himself suddenly stranded in Israel and separated from his family
An unspecified number of Palestinians from Gaza are being kept in an Israeli “holding facility” in the West Bank, according to a statement from the Coordinator of Government Activities in the Territories, or COGAT, an arm of Israel’s Ministry of Defense.
“The matter of continuing to hold them and moving others to the facility is being looked into by the political echelon,” the statement said.
Israel had approved 18,500 permits for Gazan workers; it’s unclear how many were in the country at the time of the attack.
An unspecified number of Palestinians from Gaza are being kept in an Israeli “holding facility” in the West Bank, according to a statement from the Coordinator of Government Activities in the Territories, or COGAT, an arm of Israel’s Ministry of Defense.
“The matter of continuing to hold them and moving others to the facility is being looked into by the political echelon,” the statement said.
Israel had approved 18,500 permits for Gazan workers; it’s unclear how many were in the country at the time of the attack.
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Israel strikes Gaza home of Hamas political leader-in-exile, killing 14
Palestinian medical sources report that 14 family members of Hamas leader Ismail Haniyeh were killed in an Israeli airstrike on the Sheikh Radwan neighborhood, in Gaza City.
Haniyeh’s brother and nephew have been reportedly killed in the strike. The leader himself is currently in Qatar.
He might be safer leaving ?
Sadly, if they do leave, Hamas might target anyone leaving by bombing or booby-trapping them.
A lose-lose situation.
Hamas might kill them if they try to escape now.
They are victims, yes, of Hamas.
Not Israel.
Israeli military denies striking a convoy in Gaza trying to head south
Conditions in Gaza have deteriorated into a "complete catastrophe," aid workers say, as tens of thousands of Palestinians try to flee south. Follow here for live updates..
"It was only this morning that we were able to confirm and announce that this was not on IDF strike," Lerner said.
Lerner said it appears from footage the IDF has viewed that "the explosion came from beneath," suggesting "some sort of explosive device."
Red bolding mine.
I think it's safe to say Hamas is doing this !
Gazan Civilian Convoy Hit by Airstrikes, Say Palestinian Media, Paramedics
Israeli airstrikes hit a convoy of Gazans moving south Friday, killing civilians whose bodies lay scattered on the road, according to Palestinian media and video testimony shared widely from paramedics at the scene. Israel said it is not targeting civilians and the military said it had no indicatio
Israel said it is not targeting civilians and the military said it had no indication it was behind the bombing. In the past, militants in Gaza have fired rockets that have landed within the enclave, killing civilians.
Emphasis mine.
Also Hamas may be forcing people to stay, so there's that.
If it was me, I'd be grabbing my kids and getting out of there even if under cover of darkness, and I'd prob. have done it very soon after Hamas first attacked.
Maybe by obscure back roads/alleys ?
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Far from Gaza hardships, Hamas chief and family enjoy easy life in Qatar
Thanks to Doha’s sponsorship and the wealth he accumulated as Hamas leader, Ismail Haniyeh and his children today live a life of wealth and privileges denied to other Gazans
Shortly after the start of Hamas’s brutal attack against Israel on October 7, a video began circulating of the terror group’s leader Ismail Haniyeh in his elegant office in the Qatari capital Doha, watching the bloody onslaught unfold on Al Jazeera and “prostrating in gratitude” with a group of other Hamas officials for the killing of over 1,300 Israelis, among them at least 1,000 civilians.
For years, Haniyeh has been rebuked by many Palestinians for leading a comfortable life away from the hardships of Gaza in the oil-rich Gulf monarchy, which offers shelter to the terror group’s leaders and an internationally recognized platform to spread its propaganda through Al Jazeera.
Before Hamas’s win in the Palestinian elections against Fatah in 2006, Haniyeh was not a prominent member of the terror group’s leadership. After the electoral victory, his star began to rise.
He was appointed prime minister of the Palestinian Authority in the Gaza Strip, and his wealth rapidly grew thanks to the control that he and other ministers in the Hamas government exerted over the Gazan economy and the taxes they levied on goods imported into the Strip from Egypt.
Senior Hamas figures, including Haniyeh, would levy a 20 percent tax on all of the trade passing through the tunnels, according to a 2014 report in Ynet, an Israeli news site.
A senior PA official alleged that the tunnel-smuggling market had transformed 1,700 senior Hamas officials into millionaires, according to a report in Saudi weekly Al-Majalla.
In 2010, Haniyeh spent $4 million on a plot of land on the Gazan beachfront near the Shati refugee camp where he grew up, which he registered under his son-in-law’s name, according to Egyptian magazine Rose al-Yusuf.
Since then, Haniyeh has purchased several apartments, villas and buildings in the Gaza Strip, registered in the names of some of his 13 children.
His lavish holdings contrast sharply with endemic poverty in the Gaza Strip, where some half of the population is unemployed, and per capita GDP was around $5,600 annually in 2021, making it one of the poorest places in the world.
Some experts blame its stunted economic growth on the Israeli-Egyptian blockade in force since 2007, which has imposed restrictions on goods traveling in or out of the Strip. Israel says the restrictions are necessary for security reasons, to prevent Hamas from arming and building tunnels into Israel. Corruption is also believed to be widespread.
The Gazan economy is heavily dependent on foreign aid, with Qatar topping the list of donors – the Gulf monarchy is estimated to have contributed over $1.5 billion over the past decade, although the money has been disbursed as stipends for public officials and poor families, and not to develop the economy.
The gap between Hamas’s leaders and the Gaza street extends beyond their bank accounts, with the terror group’s brass and their families seemingly able to leave the beleaguered enclave at will, a benefit few Gazans enjoy.
Long article but very informative. More at link:
Far from Gaza hardships, Hamas chief and family enjoy easy life in Qatar
Thanks to Doha's sponsorship and the wealth he accumulated as Hamas leader, Ismail Haniyeh and his children today live a life of wealth and privileges denied to other Gazans
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BBC correspondents answer your questions on the conflict between Israel and Hamas
Could this lead to World War Three?
What was Hamas's goal with their attack?
Why is Egypt keeping the crossing closed?
Why is the UN not intervening on air strikes?
How did Israel not know about Hamas's attack?
[Much more at link.]
Week 2: BBC correspondents answer your questions on the conflict between Israel and Hamas
Our correspondents answer your questions on the conflict between Israel and Hamas.www.bbc.co.uk
he didn't really give a straight answer to the Egypt question, but as i understand it, they (Egypt) are pretty much trying to stay neutral-ish, given their truce/good standing with Israel for the past however many years...is that right
True, and I do feel bad for the position they are in.He might be safer leaving ?
Sadly, if they do leave, Hamas might target anyone leaving by bombing or booby-trapping them.
What Israel said on Sunday: IDF spokesman Lt. Col. Peter Lerner told CNN in an interview on Sunday that the Israeli military did not strike the convoy on Salah Al-Deen street.Israeli military denies striking a convoy in Gaza trying to head south
Conditions in Gaza have deteriorated into a "complete catastrophe," aid workers say, as tens of thousands of Palestinians try to flee south. Follow here for live updates..www.cnn.com
"It was only this morning that we were able to confirm and announce that this was not on IDF strike," Lerner said.
Lerner said it appears from footage the IDF has viewed that "the explosion came from beneath," suggesting "some sort of explosive device."
Red bolding mine.
I think it's safe to say Hamas is doing this !
Gazan Civilian Convoy Hit by Airstrikes, Say Palestinian Media, Paramedics
Israeli airstrikes hit a convoy of Gazans moving south Friday, killing civilians whose bodies lay scattered on the road, according to Palestinian media and video testimony shared widely from paramedics at the scene. Israel said it is not targeting civilians and the military said it had no indicatiowww.wsj.com
Israel said it is not targeting civilians and the military said it had no indication it was behind the bombing. In the past, militants in Gaza have fired rockets that have landed within the enclave, killing civilians.
Emphasis mine.
Also Hamas may be forcing people to stay, so there's that.
If it was me, I'd be grabbing my kids and getting out of there even if under cover of darkness, and I'd prob. have done it very soon after Hamas first attacked.
Maybe by obscure back roads/alleys ?
Omo.
It annoys me that some people (not you at all) act like Palestinians are children or dogs or something and need them to be their "Saviors". It's just ridiculous, these are adults. They can read, write, think, plan ect. They make their own choices.
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He would be!Israel strikes Gaza home of Hamas political leader-in-exile, killing 14
Palestinian medical sources report that 14 family members of Hamas leader Ismail Haniyeh were killed in an Israeli airstrike on the Sheikh Radwan neighborhood, in Gaza City.
Haniyeh’s brother and nephew have been reportedly killed in the strike. The leader himself is currently in Qatar.
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'He helped bring goods into Gaza, into Israel, and back into the Gaza Strip' Maayan Scherman, mother of kidnapped Israeli soldier Ron Scherman, who was in charge of facilitating normal life for Gazans, speaks out after her son was taken by Hamas in the attack on October 7
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The pregnant woman in Gaza should think about the pregnant woman at the Kibbutz whose abdomen was cut open, her unborn baby stabbed lying next to her, and then she was shot in the head. As the pregnant woman slept next to her child, she should think about the 9 month old baby that was abducted with his 3 year old brother and taken to Gaza.1 hr 49 min ago
Pregnant women in Gaza prepare to give birth in a war zone
From CNN's Mohammed Abdelbary and Nadeen Ebrahim
Khulood Khaled was woken up by the sound of Israeli airstrikes as she slept next to her son last week. Black smoke filled the room, making it difficult for her to breathe. She felt a sense of panic setting in, followed by pain in her abdomen. She thought she was going into early labor.
Eight months pregnant and worried about her unborn child, the 28-year-old decided to leave her home in the al-Karama district of the northern Gaza Strip the next day as the bombing continued.
“We watched houses dropping as we drove, thinking we could die any minute,” she told CNN. On the way, she saw refugees being struck by Israeli jets “just meters away,” She hugged her son “so we’d die together.”
Khulood eventually made it to the southern city of Khan Younis, but she is now surviving on “a dry piece of bread,” as the territory faces a food shortage and no electricity or running water. “I don’t know if the bread will be available tomorrow,” she said.
Around 50,000 women in Gaza are pregnant, 10% of whom are expected to give birth in the coming month, according to the United Nations Population Fund (UNFPA).
Gaza residents have faced Israeli airstrikes in several rounds of conflict over the past few years. But this time it’s different. Israel has vowed “mighty vengeance” after the Hamas militants that control the territory launched an attack on October 7, killing 1,400 in Israel. Between October 7 and 12, Israel dropped 6,000 bombs on the enclave – that’s equivalent to the total number of airstrikes on Gaza during the entire 2014 Gaza-Israel conflict, which lasted 50 days.
Israel has also imposed what it calls a “complete siege” on the territory, blocking supplies of water, electricity, goods and fuel. Human rights organizations have condemned the move as “collective punishment” and “a war crime.” Locals say that Khan Younis is still being targeted by Israeli strikes.
Khulood said she doesn't know where to go when it’s time for her to give birth.
“I’m scared. For my son, my unborn child and myself,” she told CNN. “I don’t want to die. I want to see my son grow up… but there’s no life left here. Gaza has become a ghost city.”
Read more about the plight of pregnant women in Gaza
Additional reporting by Kareem Khadder, Abeer Salman, Chloe Liu and Niamh Kennedy
Live updates: Israel-Hamas war rages as crisis in Gaza deepens
US President Joe Biden will visit Israel on Wednesday as he seeks to demonstrate staunch support for the country while also pressing for ways to ease humanitarian suffering in Gaza. Follow here for the latest.edition.cnn.com
The people of Gaza should put things in perspective before they share their stories. They are alive, and the the global community is working hard to ensure that the people of Gaza who are not murderous barbarians have food and water.
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'We are not leaving' - The families who won't evacuate Gaza City
snip"I can't flee to another place, even if they are going to destroy our homes above our heads," he adds. "I will remain here".
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Mohamed Ibrahim says he and his family have repeatedly moved around the Gaza City area in recent days, responding to warnings of air strikes on this urban centre and Hamas stronghold at the heart of the northern Strip.
"Last Sunday at 2am, there were attacks and rockets," he says. "I fled with my wife and four kids."
The family left their home in Jabalia for an eastern district, but when they heard that area too was going to be targeted they ended up in a suburb of Gaza City.
His children are missing their garden, crammed in a flat with their extended family, he says.
'We are not leaving' - The families who won't evacuate Gaza City
Despite a looming Israeli ground assault, many families are unwilling or unable to leave northern Gaza.
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“'I didn't know if she's dead or alive until yesterday,' said her mother Keren Schem.”
Again, unfortunately, I don’t think this video can be taken as proof of life, as we don’t know when it was taken, and imo it could be a video taken right after the abduction.
Can we not think and care about both?
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Notice that most of this happened after 1967?Hamas is just the latest. Palestinian terrorism goes way back
Palestinian groups that have been involved in politically motivated violence include the Palestinian Liberation Organization (PLO), Fatah, the Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine (PFLP), the Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine – General Command (PFLP-GC), the Democratic Front for the Liberation of Palestine, the Abu Nidal Organization, the Palestinian Islamic Jihad and Hamas.[12] Several of these groups are considered terrorist organizations by the United States government,[13] Canada,[14] the United Kingdom,[15] Japan,[16] New Zealand[17] and the European Union.[18][19]
Palestinian political violence - Wikipedia
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List of Terrorists attacks:
Main article: List of massacres in Israel
I have a super hard time seeing Palestinians as innocent victims.
- 1974 Japanese Embassy attack in Kuwait
- 1979 Nahariya attack
- 1980 Paris synagogue bombing
- 1981 Antwerp bombing
- 2000 Ramallah lynching
- 2004 Sinai bombings
- 2008 Dimona suicide bombing
- 2011 Itamar attack
- Assassination of Robert F. Kennedy
- Attack on the Saudi embassy in Khartoum
- Avivim school bus massacre
- Beit Lid massacre
- Coastal Road massacre
- Dizengoff Street bus bombing
- Dolphinarium discotheque suicide bombing
- 1973 Athens Hellinikon International Airport attack
- EgyptAir Flight 648
- El Al Flight 253 attack
- Har Nof synagogue massacre
- Hebrew University massacre
- Hijacking of Achille Lauro
- Jaffa Road bus bombings
- Jerusalem bus 19 suicide bombing
- Karkur junction suicide bombing
- Kiryat Menachem bus bombing
- Lod Airport massacre
- Ma'ale Akrabim massacre
- Ma'alot massacre
- Maxim restaurant suicide bombing
- Mercaz HaRav massacre
- Munich massacre
- Night of the Gliders
- Pan Am Flight 110 Rome – Italy
- Passover massacre
- Pi Glilot bombing
- Rome and Vienna airport attacks
- Sabena Flight 571
- Savoy Hotel Attack
- Sbarro restaurant suicide bombing
- Shawarma restaurant bombing
- Swissair Flight 330
To broadbrush a group of people, (many of them are Christian) as terrorists isn't accurate.
To claim that they've always been terrorists also isn't accurate.
Modern terrorism has its roots with the anarchist movement of the late 19th Century Europe.
Immigrants brought some of it to the US. Those immigrants weren't Muslims.
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Hamas spokesman Ghazi Hamad:
“As for the hostages taken by Hamas, Hamad claimed they were providing the nearly 200 people with shelter and protection.
Those hostages include some military personnel, children and one Holocaust survivor, Israeli military spokesperson Lt. Col. Jonathan Conricus said early Tuesday morning during a briefing on X, the platform formerly known as Twitter.
Hamad said Hamas would not release hostages: "But it is a war. No. Our priority now is to stop aggression and death on Gaza."
Hamad said he is more concerned with Palestinian civilians than with hostages.”
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I think the pregnant woman who is wondering where she will give birth in a month should put things in perspective. She has nothing to complain about compared to how her government has butchered pregnant women and children in Israel.
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I am sure there are Palestinians who do not agree with Hamas, but after seeing the very large crowd of men (and male children) cheering and spitting on Shani Louk’s very broken and probably deceased body with what appears to be a bullet hole in the back of her head - being paraded around the streets of Gaza in the back of of a pick up truck, I feel that there are also huge pockets of support in the region for Hamas. That video will haunt me forever. Savages.
You mean the perspective of death and destruction all around her?
Chances are she’ll probably be dead before she gives birth.
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