Israel - Palestinian militants launch massive attack, 7 Oct 2023 #5

[JennieM]

Islamic Jihad can go on TV and admit that it was their error and the world will still blame the IDF. Hate is hate. When people look for reasons to hate, they will find them.

President Biden is probably wishing he stayed in Crete.

Crete would have been much nicer! Hoping the investigation can have unambiguous results as to who was responsible with no room for doubt.

 

[Friday Fan]

Expected response from Hamas, but what I feel is some decent news from other countries:​

Hamas reportedly says U.S. ‘blindly biased’ toward Israel​

Hamas said that the U.S. was “blindly biased” toward Israel, Reuters reported Wednesday, citing a statement from the Palestinian militant group.

It comes shortly after U.S. President Joe Biden met with Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu and said that Tuesday evening’s Gaza hospital explosion, which killed hundreds of people sheltering inside, appeared to have been caused “by the other team.”

“I am deeply saddened and outraged by the explosion at the hospital in Gaza yesterday,” Biden said while alongside Netanyahu in Tel Aviv.

“Based on what I’ve seen, it appears as though it was done by the other team, not you. But there’s a lot of people out there who are not sure, so we have to overcome a lot of things,” he added.

— Sam Meredith

(Part of rolling headline not a separate article)

Russia’s Putin says he does not expect Israel-Hamas war to spiral into a wider conflict​

Russian President Vladimir Putin said Wednesday that he does not expect the Israel-Hamas conflict to develop into a “large-scale war” and described the deadly explosion at a Gaza hospital as a “terrible” catastrophe.

“I have the impression that no one wants this to continue, for the conflict to develop and for the situation to worsen further,” Putin said in quotess reported by Reuters. His comments came shortly after talks with Chinese President Xi Jinping in Beijing.

“In my opinion, the main players — some, by definition do not want to, some are afraid of something — but I have the impression that there are practically no players ready to develop the conflict and turn it into a large-scale war,” he added.

— Sam Meredith

China ‘shocked’ by deadly Gaza hospital blast, chooses not to attribute blame​

A spokesperson for China’s Foreign Ministry said Wednesday that the country was “shocked by and strongly condemns” the explosion at the al-Ahli Baptist Hospital in central Gaza City, which killed hundreds of people.
Beijing did not attribute blame for the blast and said that it mourned for the victims and extended sympathies to the injured.
“China calls for an immediate ceasefire and cessation of hostilities and every possible effort to protect civilians and avert an even worse humanitarian disaster,” a spokesperson said.
Beijing has repeatedly called for an end to the violence, but fallen short of formally taking a side throughout the conflict so far.
— Sam Meredith

British Foreign Minister says ‘too many jumped to conclusions’ over Gaza hospital explosion​

U.K. Foreign Minister James Cleverly urged people to “wait for the facts” over the Tuesday evening hospital explosion in the Gaza Strip, saying that “too many jumped to conclusions around the tragic loss of life.”
“Getting this wrong would put even more lives at risk. Wait for the facts, report them clearly and accurately. Cool heads must prevail,” Cleverly said on the X social media platform, formerly known as Twitter.
His comments come as officials in Gaza and Israel trade blame over a strike at the al-Ahli Baptist Hospital in central Gaza City, which killed hundreds of people.
U.S. President Joe Biden said Wednesday upon meeting Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu in Tel Aviv that he was “deeply saddened and outraged” by the blast, adding that it appeared as though Israel was not responsible.
— Sam Meredith

Israel PM Netanyahu thanks U.S. President Biden for ‘unequivocal’ support

​

“Mr. President, for the people of Israel, there is only thing one better than having a true friend like you standing with Israel and that is having you standing in Israel,” Netanyahu said. “Thank you for standing with Israel, today, tomorrow and always.”

— Sam Meredith

Lawmakers ask U.S. Treasury how they plan to address the ‘serious national security threats’ posed by crypto’s use in terrorism financing​

U.S. and Egypt reach agreement to allow aid into Gaza; UK's Sunak to visit Israel

Biden's diplomatic trip to Israel is part of an effort to show "solidarity" with the country following a devastating Oct. 7 attack by Hamas.

www.cnbc.com

 

[Momoffourboys]

Crete would have been much nicer! Hoping the investigation can have unambiguous results as to who was responsible with no room for doubt.

Crete would have been fabulous!
I’m not in the middle east and would rather be there.

 

[SouthAussie]

Following Terrorist Attack on Israel, Treasury Sanctions Hamas Operatives and Financial Facilitators​

WASHINGTON — Today, the U.S. Department of the Treasury’s Office of Foreign Assets Control (OFAC) imposed sanctions on ten key Hamas terrorist group members, operatives, and financial facilitators in Gaza and elsewhere including Sudan, Türkiye, Algeria, and Qatar. This action targets members managing assets in a secret Hamas investment portfolio, a Qatar-based financial facilitator with close ties to the Iranian regime, a key Hamas commander, and a Gaza-based virtual currency exchange and its operator. Today’s designations are part of a continuous effort by the United States to root out Hamas’s sources of revenue in the West Bank and Gaza and across the region and is taken in close coordination with regional partners and allies. To date, Treasury has targeted nearly 1,000 individuals and entities connected to terrorism and terrorist financing by the Iranian regime and its proxies, including Hamas, Hizballah, and other Iran-aligned terrorist groups in the region.

More at link: https://home.treasury.gov/news/press-releases/jy1816

Iran is now calling for sanctions against Israel. A bit of tit for tat, maybe.


"The foreign minister calls for an immediate and complete embargo on Israel by Islamic countries, including oil sanctions, in addition to expelling Israeli ambassadors if relations with the Zionist regime have been established," the Iranian foreign ministry said in a statement.

Iran calls for Islamic countries to sanction Israel

Members of the Organisation of Islamic Cooperation (OIC) should impose an oil embargo and other sanctions on Israel and expel all Israeli ambassadors, Iranian Foreign Minister Hossein Amirabdollahian said on Wednesday.

www.reuters.com

 

[Vern]

"We have to win this information war with evidence, not with false, uncredible statements." IDF spokesperson Rear Admiral Daniel Hagari responds to a question from Sky's @haynesdeborah
at a news conference.

https://x.com/SkyNews/status/1714541858444001480?s=20

Israel has their evidence lest there be any doubt. Their Iron Dome tracks rockets on radar (and no doubt records it too) so that it can counter them.

They'll have this rocket and it's failed path (beginning to end!) on that radar. Alas the world has already jumped to it's conclusions based upon the very solid, 'but, Israel" standard because that's so much easier than calling out terrorists and the ideology that makes, and supports, them.

 

[Leve]

I'm confused. Yesterday weren't there reports that a hospital was hit with 300 to 500 casualties? Today we see pictures of a few burned cars in a parking lot.

 

[JennieM]

Has the corridor opened? Have the people in Gaza started receiving aid?

 

[JennieM]

Crete would have been fabulous!
I’m not in the middle east and would rather be there.

Maybe he can stop on his way back. I am sure he’ll need a holiday after this visit!

 

[Momoffourboys]

Israel has their evidence lest there be any doubt. Their Iron Dome tracks rockets on radar (and no doubt records it too) so that it can counter them.

They'll have this rocket and it's failed path (beginning to end!) on that radar. Alas the world has already jumped to it's conclusions based upon the very solid, 'but, Israel" standard because that's so much easier than calling out terrorists and the ideology that makes, and supports, them.

I’m already seeing claims on SM that Israel “created” the audio and that the videos aren’t authentic even though some Arabic television stations have them, as well.

Hamas has/is causing so much destruction and devastation. Its mind boggling that some refuse to see it. Even when its done to their own.

 

[Momoffourboys]

These Israelis are fighting Hamas on the war’s emerging ‘deepfake’ cyberfront​

Generated by artificial intelligence, false footage of the Israel-Gaza war has been inundating media outlets around the world since the October 7 Hamas massacres​

These Israelis are fighting Hamas on the war’s emerging ‘deepfake’ cyberfront

Generated by artificial intelligence, false footage of the Israel-Gaza war has been inundating media outlets around the world since the October 7 Hamas massacres

www.timesofisrael.com

 

[Friday Fan]

Following Terrorist Attack on Israel, Treasury Sanctions Hamas Operatives and Financial Facilitators​

WASHINGTON — Today, the U.S. Department of the Treasury’s Office of Foreign Assets Control (OFAC) imposed sanctions on ten key Hamas terrorist group members, operatives, and financial facilitators in Gaza and elsewhere including Sudan, Türkiye, Algeria, and Qatar. This action targets members managing assets in a secret Hamas investment portfolio, a Qatar-based financial facilitator with close ties to the Iranian regime, a key Hamas commander, and a Gaza-based virtual currency exchange and its operator. Today’s designations are part of a continuous effort by the United States to root out Hamas’s sources of revenue in the West Bank and Gaza and across the region and is taken in close coordination with regional partners and allies. To date, Treasury has targeted nearly 1,000 individuals and entities connected to terrorism and terrorist financing by the Iranian regime and its proxies, including Hamas, Hizballah, and other Iran-aligned terrorist groups in the region.

More at link: https://home.treasury.gov/news/press-releases/jy1816

Highly Recommend!!! ​

This is really interesting and much to digest

Unfortunately, I only got a few hours of sleep and gotta go to a meeting.

Much info!

 

[Inthedetails]

Israel has their evidence lest there be any doubt. Their Iron Dome tracks rockets on radar (and no doubt records it too) so that it can counter them.

They'll have this rocket and it's failed path (beginning to end!) on that radar. Alas the world has already jumped to it's conclusions based upon the very solid, 'but, Israel" standard because that's so much easier than calling out terrorists and the ideology that makes, and supports, them.

I think part of the issue, at least in the western countries, is an absurd willingness to believe conspiracies and fast-coming falsehoods over slower facts.

jmo

(eta: I say "western countries" because that's where I am and what I am familiar with.)

 

[Momoffourboys]

Hamas urges attacks on Israelis; Arab world ignores Israeli claims on hospital blast​

Even countries allied with Jewish state accuse it of ‘massacre,’ despite IDF airing extensive evidence that errant Palestinian rocket fire hit Al-Ahli’s parking lot​

Hamas urges attacks on Israelis; Arab world ignores Israeli claims on hospital blast

Even countries allied with Jewish state accuse it of 'massacre,' despite IDF airing extensive evidence that errant Palestinian rocket fire hit Al-Ahli's parking lot

www.timesofisrael.com

 

[Friday Fan]

I think part of the issue, at least in the western countries, is an absurd willingness to believe conspiracies and fast-coming falsehoods over slower facts.

jmo

(eta: I say "western countries" because that's where I am and what I am familiar with.)

It's even worse in "non-western countries", where education level is lower.

 

[Inthedetails]

It's even worse in "non-western countries", where education level is lower.

Yes, I understand. Plus, the peer pressure (understatement) to go along with certain narratives.

But it happens outside that situation too. I'll leave it at that.

jmo

 

[Vern]

I'm confused. Yesterday weren't there reports that a hospital was hit with 300 to 500 casualties? Today we see pictures of a few burned cars in a parking lot.

To be certain, I've been in conflict zones and I have no doubt there would have been as many people as could squeeze into that open space/parking lot outside of the hospital - I've seen it. Precisely because it is a hospital and thus a (Geneva) conventionally protected structure. I've no idea what the official toll is, but there would have been many, many people in this area.

The "crater" is somewhat akin to a hole my dog would dig in my backyard; it was not a JDAM or any other type of airstrike. The photos from the scene clearly display a lack of structral damage to surrounding buildings (especially those flimsy mattresses atop cars and solar panels on roofs) that would be caused by an airstrike. Heck --- just look at all the pics from this very thread of buildings that were hit by actual airstrikes (they are smithereans).

What they do show is blast/fire/heat/shrapnel damage. Impact site of the failed rocket is close to the 3 cars destroyed thus their being in the worst shape. People in the immediate blast area (impact zone) would be heinously disfigured and thrown. Shrapnel (from the destroyed cars and the rocket itself), fire and heat would then have radiated out from that location causing the wounding and deaths that occured. That is why the cars a bit further out are fire damaged or barely damaged at all.

Air Strikes take out entire buildings - they do not leave every car in the immediate vicinty of impact upright nor would mattress remain of their roofs. Officialy - JMO of course.

 

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[Friday Fan]

I always dream about visiting Israel, back in the 1980's my High School Teacher visited it and talked to us about Masada and the places. I wanted to visit for history so many eras of culture been there over the centuries walk among the history. My Understanding Partner thought it be interesting to see me visit Masada as I have a fear of heights.

It saddens me with what has happened .
I in a private Social Media Group(regarding photos) through this we have a few people who are Iiveing in Israel, we are keeping tabs on them One who I named A, woman with two young children she is or former home is right there she showed us the fire in her area. She been told to go home but she deems it no safe for her children, the Bomb shelter is so old where her old home is, she had been staying with a Host Family but was told to leave as the Host Family needed room for their family members who are now seeking shelter. Herself and Children are now moving house to house the last few days. She does no care about religion or Politic, she just wants to go home ,be safe with her Children have a routine, many are like they are confused in what happened and in deep fear. Our group has ask them to check in each day, so we know they are okay (okay is not a good choice of words in regard to the situation)but it is only a small way we can help.

I have a book called Holy Places of Christendom. I would love to go to Israel. I'm Armenian and there is an Armenian quarter in Jerusalem. So, I do feel a "connection". No plans for the near future. However, peace is more important to me.

I wish Jerusalem was an "International Managed" city. I don't know if it ever was, but I do know that it was part of the 1948 UN plan.

 

[Momoffourboys]

Little Alin’s little brother and parents were murdered by Hamas.
Today she succumbed to her wounds and joins them in heaven .
She will be buried today. Our hearts are broken.
May her memory be a blessing.

https://x.com/Israel/status/1714631119893668033?s=20

 

[Inthedetails]

To be certain, I've been in conflict zones and I have no doubt there would have been as many people as could squeeze into that open space/parking lot outside of the hospital - I've seen it. Precisely because it is a hospital and thus a (Geneva) conventionally protected structure. I've no idea what the official toll is, but there would have been many, many people in this area.

The "crater" is somewhat akin to a hole my dog would dig in my backyard; it was not a JDAM or any other type of airstrike. The photos from the scene clearly display a lack of structral damage to surrounding buildings (especially those flimsy mattresses atop cars and solar panels on roofs) that would be caused by an airstrike. Heck --- just look at all the pics from this very thread of buildings that were hit by actual airstrikes (they are smithereans).

What they do show is blast/fire/heat/shrapnel damage. Impact site of the failed rocket is close to the 3 cars destroyed thus their being in the worst shape. People in the immediate blast area (impact zone) would be heinously disfigured and thrown. Shrapnel (from the destroyed cars and the rocket itself), fire and heat would then have radiated out from that location causing the wounding and deaths that occured. That is why the cars a bit further out are fire damaged or barely damaged at all.

Air Strikes take out entire buildings - they do not leave every car in the immediate vicinty of impact upright nor would mattress remain of their roofs.

We've been told Gaza has one of the most high-density populations in the world. Imagine a densely populated city seeking safety. Yes, people would crowd their families into whatever space they thought safe. I can easily imagine the hospital packed to the gills in the lobby, corridors, wards, etc. It's horrible to picture it, but it's not hard.

jmo