Israel - Palestinian militants launch massive attack, 7 Oct 2023 #5

[Shadow@light]

That's sadly prob. correct, even if many of these failed rockets were of Gaza 'design'; and if we consider it , it's maybe a way that Hamas /Gaza gov't. can keep it's populace inflamed and loyal !
Like, "See what Israel keeps doing to you ?".
"It's not Hamas doing this, it's Israel."

Whilst Hamas stays safe and provided for, most likely in their tunnel system.
Unreal.
Omo.

Chimera,I agree with you.
Remember the Kuwait Crisis and I believe the events in the 1990's and early 2000's, with Iraq, I remember but I cannot figure out which one, I am sorry but so tired, my Tween who has Special Needs has been unwell last 24 hours so memory brain has taken a walk. Asked Understanding Partner he said," Which one there was so many."
People and Media said to the America Troops to stop firing missiles etc while the booming was still going on missiles were being showered through the day and night live it went to a America Commander who said ,it is not us, showed there was no activies in the America. Sad situation yet I remember the bright moment was the man who was nicknamed "Optimistic Ali."
My Friend A, she contact me last night , her and family are okay, her sons are very scared, They are under the age of ten years, asking Mum why this is happening, they want to go home, they moved again she tried to go home to fetch her passport(she had forgotten it) she was turned away. She wonder how was she to get a new one how long would it take, she just wants to get her family out if they open the Borders. My thoughts are with her and all people on both sides .

 

[JennieM]

6m ago

Residents and doctors in Khan Younis, a town southern Gaza – the area to which the IDF said people in Gaza City should flee – said an airstrike slammed into a home, killing seven small children, the Associated Press reports.

The news spread quickly on social media, as images of dead and bloodied toddlers lined up side by side on a hospital stretcher stirred outrage in Gaza and the West Bank.

Bandaged and caked in dust, the bodies were brought to the Gaza European Hospital in Khan Younis along with three other dead members of the Bakri family. Photographers entered the operation room as women covered their eyes and doctors wept.

Palestinian emergency services and local citizens search for victims in buildings destroyed during Israeli raids in the southern Gaza Strip on 18 October 2023 in Khan Yunis, Gaza. Photograph: Ahmad Hasaballah/Getty Images


“This is a massacre,” hospital director Dr. Yousef Al-Akkad said, his voice choking with emotion. “Let the world see, these are just children.”

Local medics also confirmed that the children were killed in a strike and said the Bakri family was just one of many such cases Wednesday.

There was no immediate comment from the Israeli military.

Egypt’s president agrees to open the Rafah crossing – as it happened

This blog is now closed.

www.theguardian.com

 

[JennieM]

1m ago

More now from Biden’s meeting with Netanyahu and Israeli defence officials.

Axios reports that when the US president “pressed officials about their overall strategy in Gaza — namely, what Israel’s plan for the enclave would be after the war”, they said that they weren’t “there yet” and were focussed on the counteroffensive.

Egypt’s president agrees to open the Rafah crossing – as it happened

This blog is now closed.

www.theguardian.com

 

[Vern]

Hundreds of fatalities were clearly reported yesterday by news agencies across the world. The information is consistent.

I never heard of “several dozens apparently”.

Yes those were last nights 'numbers' reports ... based off unconfirmed numbers given in the initial flash report coming out of the Gaza; same messages that also attributed it to an Israeli airstrike.

So the accuracy of the initial report numbers is just as doubtable as the cause of the explosion - which they also got wrong.

 

[JennieM]

Yes those were last nights 'numbers' reports ... based off unconfirmed numbers given in the initial flash report coming out of the Gaza, same messages that also attributed it to an Israeli airstrike.

Wed 18 Oct 2023 04.24 BST

death toll rising after blast at Gaza hospital​

Hundreds of people are reported to have been killed in a massive explosion at a crowded hospital in Gaza City, in the biggest single loss of life in the blockaded territory in all the five wars between Hamas and Israel since the militants took over the strip in 2007.

The Gaza health ministry, which is run by Hamas, said at least 500 people were killed on Tuesday night in what it said was an Israeli airstrike on al-Ahli al-Arabi, also known as the Baptist hospital. A spokesperson for the Gaza civil defence put the number of killed at about 300.

‘They believed it was safe’: death toll rising after blast at Gaza hospital

Health officials say blast killed hundreds as footage shows fire engulfing medical centre owned by Anglican church

www.theguardian.com

 

[JennieM]

4m ago
We’re not sure why the IDF update seems to be delayed by half an hour, but we’ll bring it to you when it starts.

Egypt’s president agrees to open the Rafah crossing – as it happened

This blog is now closed.

www.theguardian.com

 

[Chimera]

Chimera,I agree with you.
Remember the Kuwait Crisis and I believe the events in the 1990's and early 2000's, with Iraq, I remember but I cannot figure out which one, I am sorry but so tired, my Tween who has Special Needs has been unwell last 24 hours so memory brain has taken a walk. Asked Understanding Partner he said," Which one there was so many."
People and Media said to the America Troops to stop firing missiles etc while the booming was still going on missiles were being showered through the day and night live it went to a America Commander who said ,it is not us, showed there was no activies in the America. Sad situation yet I remember the bright moment was the man who was nicknamed "Optimistic Ali."
My Friend A, she contact me last night , her and family are okay, her sons are very scared, They are under the age of ten years, asking Mum why this is happening, they want to go home, they moved again she tried to go home to fetch her passport(she had forgotten it) she was turned away. She wonder how was she to get a new one how long would it take, she just wants to get her family out if they open the Borders. My thoughts are with her and all people on both sides .

So sorry to hear about your tween; I hope they'll feel better soon.
An ill child is draining on the parent's strength as well.

Hope your friend "A" will be ok ; and her family, too.
Omo.

 

[acutename]

I’ve been thinking for a few days now that it’s pooooooossibly unlikely they’ve chosen to keep the incaders were all the hostages alive.

I’m thinking they have kept some for various strategic purposes (women for some, soldiers for some, kids for some…elderly unlikely kept alive imo) and killed others, of course who know really, but that’s kind of where I’m at.

I read one article which I cannot find now, so IMO, it suggested that too many hostages were taken and that there was not a coordinated plan for taking them or for taking care of them. Not sure what I think because supposedly the invaders practiced and did have plans but I guess invasions are chaotic.

 

[Vern]

Wed 18 Oct 2023 04.24 BST

death toll rising after blast at Gaza hospital​

Hundreds of people are reported to have been killed in a massive explosion at a crowded hospital in Gaza City, in the biggest single loss of life in the blockaded territory in all the five wars between Hamas and Israel since the militants took over the strip in 2007.

The Gaza health ministry, which is run by Hamas, said at least 500 people were killed on Tuesday night in what it said was an Israeli airstrike on al-Ahli al-Arabi, also known as the Baptist hospital. A spokesperson for the Gaza civil defence put the number of killed at about 300.

‘They believed it was safe’: death toll rising after blast at Gaza hospital

Health officials say blast killed hundreds as footage shows fire engulfing medical centre owned by Anglican church

www.theguardian.com

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Hamas sources also say that they did not kill any civilians in Israel on 7 Oct ... that it is Israeli propaganda.

 

[Momoffourboys]

At a gathering in New York on Wednesday morning, relatives of the hostages being held by #Hamas in #Gaza pressed for their release and criticized the international response to the abductions.

Hostages' families plead: Put politics aside, bring home Hamas captives

Several speakers lamented that the hostage crisis hasn’t drawn harsher condemnations.

www.jpost.com

 

[Momoffourboys]

I read one article which I cannot find now, so IMO, it suggested that too many hostages were taken and that there was not a coordinated plan for taking them or for taking care of them. Not sure what I think because supposedly the invaders practiced and did have plans but I guess invasions are chaotic.

Invaders? I think we all can admit they are terrorists.

 

[JennieM]

<modsnip - rude>

Hamas sources also say that they did not kill any civilians in Israel on 7 Oct ... that it is Israeli propaganda.

The Palestinian health ministry said on Wednesday 471 people were killed in the blast.

Gaza hospital: What video, pictures and other evidence tell us about Al-Ahli hospital blast

BBC Verify is analysing evidence from the Al-Ahli hospital explosion amid competing claims over responsibility.

www.bbc.co.uk

 

[Vern]

The Palestinian health ministry said on Wednesday 471 people were killed in the blast.

Gaza hospital: What video, pictures and other evidence tell us about Al-Ahli hospital blast

BBC Verify is analysing evidence from the Al-Ahli hospital explosion amid competing claims over responsibility.

www.bbc.co.uk

Which gets it's information from the Gazan Health Ministry: from your first article:

Gaza health ministry, which is run by Hamas

Here's a good run down with geolocation and some important 'evidentiary' items (all backed up with images and numerous videos from the actual scene on radius etc) by Bellingcat's Eliot Higgins:

https://twitter.com/x/status/1714525755554615554

 

[SophieRose]

All of these deaths at the festival tear my heart, but this one really shreds me.

Here is a daughter who cannot dance, but whose father took her to a music and dance festival anyway, I presume so she could have some fun listening to music and enjoying the atmosphere.

What a good dad.

How evil Hamas is to destroy a crippled young girl who was no threat to them whatsoever.

I can’t discern her age but to me she looks like a teenager? I think?

I remember seeing pictures of her at the concert right after it happened. She was only 16. Her sister said she would not have been able to survive as a hostage as she was tube fed through her stomach. Her wheelchair was found in her father's bullet riddled van.

Ruth dancing in her wheelchair

אריק לקח את בתו רות, שסובלת משיתוק מוחין, למסיבה ברעים. מאז הם נעדרים

אריק פרץ בן ה-58 נהג לקחת עמו את בתו רות למסיבות שאהבה, ושוחח עם בני משפחתו עוד בבוקר השבת השחורה - עד שהקשר נותק. בתו יערית סיפרה ל-ynet: "אי אפשר לדעת אם הם נחטפו". על אחותה בעלת הצרכים המיוחדים: "זקוקה לציוד רפואי, קשה להאמין שתשרוד"

www.ynet.co.il

 

[JennieM]

4m ago
The IDF is now delivering its update, which appears to be focused on the explosion at al-Ahli al-Arabi Hospital on Tuesday. We will bring you any relevant new information.

So far IDF spokesperson Jonathan Conricus is repeating claims previously released by the IDF, including what Spokesperson Rear Admiral Daniel Hagari said on Wednesday.

The misfired rocket hit the parking lot outside the hospital, he said. Were it an airstrike, there would have been a large crater there; instead, the fiery blast came from the misfired rocket’s warhead and its unspent propellant, he said.

1m ago
That update is over.

Egypt’s president agrees to open the Rafah crossing – as it happened

This blog is now closed.

www.theguardian.com

 

[Momoffourboys]

Israel Defense Forces

@IDF

OPERATIONAL UPDATE: Debunking Hamas fake news with IDF Spokesperson
@JConricus

https://x.com/IDF/status/1714811719053115496?s=20

 

[otto]

I honestly don’t care who hit the hospital. I care about the destruction of innocent lives. It’s a horror. No matter who did it.

I'm hearing on BBC TV right now that no one hit the hospital. It is still standing. A small missile fell into the parking lot near the hospital, left a small dent in the ground, and some cars caught fire.

 

[JennieM]

US warning Iran through private channels - Ex-Nato ambassador​

A former US ambassador to Nato - the North Atlantic Treaty Organization - tells the BBC that the US is likely communicating with Iran through private channels on the Israel-Hamas conflict.

"We do know that the US has been communicating with Iran privately through channels that are established for that very purpose," says Ivo Dealder, who was US ambassador to Nato from 2009 to 2013.

"And Iran, no doubt, knows what the US is prepared to do. It is just not something that the president at this point is willing to say publicly, nor probably should," told BBC's Newsday programme.

Earlier this week the White House's National Security Advisor Jake Sullivan said the US has held talks with Iran to warn the country against intervening in the conflict.

There are fears that Iran's involvement could widen the conflict into the broader Middle East region. Iranian officials reportedly celebrated Hamas's attack on Israel on 7 Oct, while the Iran-funded Hezbollah militant group in Lebanon has bene exchanging fire with Israeli military in recent days.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/world-middle-east-67141589

 

[Vern]

I'm hearing on BBC TV right now that no one hit the hospital. It is still standing. A small missile fell into the parking lot near the hospital, left a small dent in the ground, and some cars caught fire.

See the Eliot Higgins of Bellingcat thread that I just linked in above ... they've geo-located it to close to the hospital, but not 'at' the hospital.

 

[otto]

6m ago

Residents and doctors in Khan Younis, a town southern Gaza – the area to which the IDF said people in Gaza City should flee – said an airstrike slammed into a home, killing seven small children, the Associated Press reports.

The news spread quickly on social media, as images of dead and bloodied toddlers lined up side by side on a hospital stretcher stirred outrage in Gaza and the West Bank.

Bandaged and caked in dust, the bodies were brought to the Gaza European Hospital in Khan Younis along with three other dead members of the Bakri family. Photographers entered the operation room as women covered their eyes and doctors wept.

Palestinian emergency services and local citizens search for victims in buildings destroyed during Israeli raids in the southern Gaza Strip on 18 October 2023 in Khan Yunis, Gaza. Photograph: Ahmad Hasaballah/Getty Images


“This is a massacre,” hospital director Dr. Yousef Al-Akkad said, his voice choking with emotion. “Let the world see, these are just children.”

Local medics also confirmed that the children were killed in a strike and said the Bakri family was just one of many such cases Wednesday.

There was no immediate comment from the Israeli military.

Egypt’s president agrees to open the Rafah crossing – as it happened

This blog is now closed.

www.theguardian.com

What a bunch of crazy terrorists. They've got all their home made bombs in residential areas, and they're trying to shoot them from residential areas across other residential areas with the hope that they land in Israel, but many of them are falling apart and crashing on their own people.

They then claim that Israel is dropping these bombs from inside Gaza onto people inside Gaza. The worst part is that Hamas, and all their friends, actually believe that Israel is responsible.