Israel - Palestinian militants launch massive attack, 7 Oct 2023 #5

[Cedars]

He’s asking “does all Hamas have to be wiped out?”

This makes no sense to me.

He thinks the language is “extreme?”

IMO Hamas is a conflagration…if you extinguish just some of the fire, the remaining sparks will burst right back into flame and still have the capacity to destroy the innocent.

To each post informing us of another Hamas leader being killed, my reaction is “bye.”
Good riddance to them all.

In all wars, the intention is to destroy the enemy's military power. That neutralizes the enemy's capacity to fight.

JMO

 

[Chimera]

Biden announces release of 2 American hostages: Full coverage of the Israel-Hamas war

Judith and Natalie Raanan of Evanston, Ill., were visiting family when they were taken during the Oct. 7 attacks.

www.yahoo.com

Some updates.

• President Biden will be delivering a primetime speech from the Oval Office today to address the Israel-Hamas and Russia-Ukraine wars. He's just returned home from a trip to Tel Aviv.

• Israel's defense minister, Yoav Gallant, told Israeli infantry soldiers Thursday on the Gaza border to be ready for a ground invasion, the Associated Press reported.

That photo is sad, imo. ^^^
Reminds me of historical photo of president D.D. Eisenhower talking to paratroopers during WW2 :

General Dwight D. Eisenhower gives the order of the day, "Full victory--nothing else" to paratroopers somewhere in England, just before they board their airplanes to participate in the first assault in the invasion of the continent of Europe

1 photographic print : gelatin silver. | Photo shows General Eisenhower talking with American paratroopers on the evening of June 5, 1944, as they prepared for the Battle of Normandy. The men are part of Company E, 502nd Parachute Infantry Regiment, at the 101st Airborne Division's camp in...

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Essentially, both commanders are probably (& sadly !) speaking to 'dead men'.
If there's urban fighting in Gaza, the death toll is going to be high on both sides.
(Imo)
Omo.

 

[cottonweaver]

I don't think this means anything. They're catching an agriculture minister off-guard. No one would ever interview someone from the USDA (Agriculture) about Iraq or Afghanistan. They wouldn't know a darn thing except plant quarantine, animals..etc. gotta be careful with those dogs brought in

Yes you might be right but I'm seeing it being mentioned a lot ( ME policy & security types, @RUSI_Org fellows etc. Not msm so will have to just add this one:

Axios

https://twitter.com/x/status/1714784529162846290

 

[PrairieWind]

remember when the US helped to broker peace in Northern Ireland? IRA terrorists & Sinn Fein - the political wing was one of the parties which made the Good Friday Agreement possible.

Sinn Fein was willing to talk and negotiate. Hamas isn't. There is no negotiation, they want Israel destroyed. There is literally no where to go.

 

[Vern]

https://www.sis.gov.eg/Story/187380/Shoukry-Attempts-to-distort-Egyptian-stance-on-Rafah-crossing-%E2%80%9Cunacceptable%E2%80%9D?lang=en-us

Still nothing on why they are not allowing foreign nationals and dual citizens to cross over and get back to their homes.

1) Those two groups above would have nothing to do with "displacement"; and
2) The road was damaged apparently so vehicle traffic cannot cross. That has nothing to do with not allowing persons of the two above groups to cross through on foot quite capably in able to return to their countries (and imges clearly show the crossing is passable on foot).

That's the elephant in the room that they keep avoiding providing answers for; if one were a conspiracy theorist, one could almost think it's like the want to keep citizens of foreign nations in the Gaza - perhaps to keep the pressure on foreign nations to keep up the pressure on Israel etc.

 

[abanddb123]

I'm curious and promise I'm not trying to be a jerk, but why is info on this thread and others being posted over and over again.? Nobody is responding or replying to the repeated links that are being shared over and over. I'm confused, do some not read through the threads??? It getting horribly confusing.

 

[Friday Fan]

Yes you might be right but I'm seeing it being mentioned a lot ( ME policy & security types, @RUSI_Org fellows etc. Not msm so will have to just add this one:

Axios

https://twitter.com/x/status/1714784529162846290

I think the plan is to:
Stop Hamas
Get rid of Hamas (if possible)

You really can't compare Israel/Palestine to US/Afghanistan/Iraq
Israel is literally "putting out fires in their house" and stopping danger.
It's a reactionary war.

The US invaded both of those countries with the intention of "preventing future fires".
The US wars were pre-emptive and planned.

 

[Chimera]

I'm curious and promise I'm not trying to be a jerk, but why is info on this thread and others being posted over and over again.? Nobody is responding or replying to the repeated links that are being shared over and over. I'm confused, do some not read through the threads??? It getting horribly confusing.

Hi, I'll try to answer your questions :
Some people are just jumping in and out on the threads (*cough,cough*, like myself !) -- having been busy at work or with family responsibilities or whatever; so it helps to have information that was previously shared -- to see it again ?
I don't have enough time to read through all of the threads here concerning this war, despite my best efforts.

There's some links/posts that I read and am glad for the repeated information .
So , "no replies" may just mean people are reading for breaking news, etc., but don't necessarily have anything to add ?
Hope that helps.

 

[Sundog]

They would not be liquidated if they lived in Jordan, for instance.
The Palestinians could coexist in Jordan and be a thriving member of that nation.

Or other Arab countries could help them by allowing them to create their own area within that country ?
Gaza is small and cramped for that many people; there'd be more space elsewhere.
Omo.

<snipped for focus>

It's doubtful that it will ever happen that Jordan would take in the Palestinians, but if they ever did, then they would become Jordanians in order to integrate into Jordanian society. I don't see any country giving up part of their land to create another country within. They must be relieved that it is Israel's problem and not their problem, but then they blame Israel on all the problems, which is hypocritical and rises to the level of what we are seeing today.

I do think that after the war with Hamas, Israel will need to create a buffer zone between the Gaza Strip and Israel's border in order to better protect Israeli lives from any future attacks from terrorists in Gaza. And that will make the Gaza Strip even more densely populated.

 

[Cedars]

Still nothing on why they are not allowing foreign nationals and dual citizens to cross over and get back to their homes.

1) Those two groups above would have nothing to do with "displacement"; and
2) The road was damaged apparently so vehicle traffic cannot cross. That has nothing to do with not allowing persons of the two above groups to cross through on foot quite capably in able to return to their countries (and imges clearly show the crossing is passable on foot).

That's the elephant in the room that they keep avoiding providing answers for; if one were a conspiracy theorist, one could almost think it's like the want to keep citizens of foreign nations in the Gaza - perhaps to keep the pressure on foreign nations to keep up the pressure on Israel etc.

I think their priority is to get aid in. The foreigners can only get out if the aid can get in.

IMO, it's not a conspiracy, it's playing your cards, putting the ball in the other guy (Israel's) court. Egypt is a nation, not a hotel conscierge.

JMO

 

[Sundog]

Yes you might be right but I'm seeing it being mentioned a lot ( ME policy & security types, @RUSI_Org fellows etc. Not msm so will have to just add this one:

Axios

https://twitter.com/x/status/1714784529162846290

I suspect that Israel has several options in mind for after the war with Hamas, but they wouldn't divulge it at this time, it's premature and would only set off more anti-Israel sentiment in the media, no doubt.

 

[dotr]

Lol, "Just answer the question''

''Palestinian journalist Wafa Al-Udaini refuses to answer TalkTV’s Julia Hartley-Brewer's question of what a “proportionate response” from Israel would be. Wafa: "You are just looking to the Israeli side." Julia: "No I'm not! I'm asking you a reasonable question."

 

[margarita25]

7 hours ago

11 hours ago

12 hours ago

Qmfr / from above:

“America is the devil.”

Uh, eh I think Hamas is the one who is the devil.

What is it about the concept of decapitated babies (etc.) that is so hard to understand.


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Eta lol I too am asking a reasonable question. I wonder if it’s the same question, let’s see (referring to the post above mine).

 

[sds71]

Worldwide Caution: Due to increased tensions in various locations around the world, the potential for terrorist attacks, demonstrations or violent actions against U.S. citizens and interests, the Department of State
@StateDept advises U.S. citizens overseas to exercise increased caution.

More at https://travel.state.gov/content/travel/en/traveladvisories/traveladvisories/worldwide-caution.html

 

[SkyBoomer]

65%?!!!
That is beyond depressing.
Ugh.

Yeah, but I mean they are all bad choices. Still, yes- very depressing.

 

[margarita25]

Worldwide Caution: Due to increased tensions in various locations around the world, the potential for terrorist attacks, demonstrations or violent actions against U.S. citizens and interests, the Department of State
@StateDept advises U.S. citizens overseas to exercise increased caution.

More at https://travel.state.gov/content/travel/en/traveladvisories/traveladvisories/worldwide-caution.html

Been waiting for this one too.

 

[otto]

Oh I get why no one wants to take in more Palestinians due to the historical issues they've caused in their host nations.

Those are not the people that I'm speaking of in my post.

Egypt is not allowing
Foreign Nationals (non-Palestinans) or
Dual-Palestinian-Foreign Citizens (Palestinians also holding another nations citizenship & passport).

Those two groups above are quite separate and do not fall under the "forced relocation of Palestinians" that Egypt is citing. Nor should "repairs to the Gaza side of the border crossing still being underway" impede persons of these two groups from leaving. It's the road that's damaged. They can walk through the gate. Well, they could --- if Egypt would actually allow them to.

That's my question - why is Egypt making those persons stay in the Gaza?

This Hamas war was well planned, possibly for years. I think it's quite likely that Hamas leaders have done everything possible to obtain dual citizenship over the years for just this occasion. They can go to a place like Canada, claim to be refugees, or have a family member claim to be a refugee who then sponsors family members to obtain a Canadian passport. Perhaps Israel and Egypt want time to check each application to leave Gaza via Egypt to ensure that no terrorists slip away.

 

[Cedars]

You really can't compare Israel/Palestine to US/Afghanistan/Iraq
Israel is literally "putting out fires in their house" and stopping danger.
It's a reactionary war.

The US invaded both of those countries with the intention of "preventing future fires".
The US wars were pre-emptive and planned.

Yes, I agree it is a different situation for Israel. I think the parallel is being drawn more to examine the consequences vs the intentions, when the US declared a war on terror.

There is a pattern of how wars never turn out the way either party intended.

If war was an effective way to solve problems, why would anyone care about peace?

JMO

 

[Vern]

I think their priority is to get aid in. The foreigners can only get out if the aid can get in.

IMO, it's not a conspiracy, it's playing your cards, putting the ball in the other guy (Israel's) court. Egypt is a nation, not a hotel conscierge.

JMO

https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/gaza-egypt-rafah-crossing-1.6999574

Thousands of civilians in Gaza have waited for days at the Rafah crossing — the only exit not controlled by Israel — even as the Israeli military has fired a series of airstrikes near the Gaza side of the border.

No one from Gaza has been allowed to cross into Egypt — including many Canadians and other foreign nationals waiting to leave. But the Canadian, U.S. and other governments are trying negotiate with Egypt and Israel to ensure their citizens can get out of the besieged enclave and that desperately needed humanitarian aid can be brought in.

 

[Momoffourboys]

Yes you might be right but I'm seeing it being mentioned a lot ( ME policy & security types, @RUSI_Org fellows etc. Not msm so will have to just add this one:

Axios

https://twitter.com/x/status/1714784529162846290

Truth is, this terrorist attack was a complete surprise.
IMO no one was making plans and now they are getting hit with reality.
I think it will take some time.