Israel - Palestinian militants launch massive attack, 7 Oct 2023 #8

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I have two questions:
* Where do all these yahoos come from, to gather so quickly (no jobs, school, etc)?
* How are they hearing about incoming Jews, to even know they're there?

You are right. High unemployment, war (lots of Dagestanis were drafted), low level of living. Not too educated, either. Someone compared with Tatarstan and Bashkiria, well, never say never, but the latter two are very educated. Not so Dagestan.

They don’t need to know about the Jews. In fact, the incoming people don’t need to be Jews. I read in Russian press about a guy who arrived from Smolensk and looked Jewish. He said he was Uzbek but didn’t speak mother tongue as he was born in Russia. I don’t know how he persuaded them but he is a cardiologist, ethnic Uzbek, working in Moscow. Looks slightly Middleeastern, so…at least he survived to tell the story. Crazy times.
 
18min ago

US official: Current limited IDF ground ops in line with our recommendations

The Biden administration has pushed Israel to carry out a more limited ground operation in the Gaza Strip, as the IDF is currently conducting in the northern part of the enclave, a US official tells The Times of Israel.

The US official says Israel’s leaders also currently oppose an all-out ground offensive at this stage because it could well risk the hostages currently in Gaza; and accordingly did not need pressure from Washington in order to choose the current military path.

There remains in the Biden administration skepticism regarding Israel’s broader strategy, given that Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu has not said who Jerusalem wants to govern Gaza once it succeeds in its goal of toppling Hamas, the US official says, adding that Washington is privately raising its concerns with the premier and his top aides.
 
Live updates: Israel-Hamas war has entered a new stage, Netanyahu says (cnn.com)
25 min ago

UAE will seek resolution for "immediate humanitarian pause" at UN Security Council meeting, sources say​

The United Nations Security Council will hold an emergency meeting Monday regarding Israel’s ground invasion of Gaza, diplomatic sources confirmed.

The United Arab Emirates will seek a binding resolution from other Security Council members for an "immediate humanitarian pause" in the fighting, the sources said.

The emergency meeting comes after 120 countries voted for a United Nations resolution on Friday, introduced by Jordan, that called for a “sustained humanitarian truce” in Gaza. ...

[...]
 
Feel free to remove as I am checking Russian and Ukrainian telegram channels that post real-time info but there is no time to cross-verify. Historically, these sources were honest. (Ateo breaking - independent Telegram channel, @ateogo on Twitter. I believe it is independent secular TV channel featuring news from Postsoviet space).

“Warehouses and shops at Makhachkala airport have been looted. Office equipment and equipment for sales areas and galleries, as well as computers and cash registers, are broken or stolen. The police managed to protect server and customs services, air navigation hubs and a border checkpoint - the Kremlin channel reports”
 
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"Mob storm Dagestan Airport to

'try and intercept Jewish passengers from flight from Israel'

in worrying new incident in Russian republic."​


 
I'm confused. What conspiracy theory are you talking about?
It could be anything. People spread rumors and get crowds worked up.
It turned into a mass riot and Russia closed the airport until Nov 6th. Apparently, they are tearing up the entire airport.
This is in Dagestan, which is not well treated by Russia. They're rioting.
The region is considered to be volatile.
 
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Israel-Hamas war live: WHO ‘deeply concerned’ by report of evacuation warning to Gaza’s al-Quds hospital (theguardian.com)
11m ago22.12 GMT

Israel has summoned the Russian ambassador to lodge a protest at Moscow’s hosting last week of a delegation from Hamas following its October 7 attacks against Israel.

Inviting Hamas “sends a message legitimising terrorism against Israelis,” Israel’s foreign ministry said in a statement, quoting its senior staff as telling ambassador Anatoly Viktorov, Reuters reports.

[...]

On Saturday, Hamas said that it is trying to locate eight Russian-Israeli dual citizens who are among the more than 200 hostages captured during its 7 October attacks against Israel.

“We are looking for those people ... It is hard but we are looking. And when we find them, we will let them go … We are very attentive to this list and will process it carefully because we consider Russia to be a close friend,” senior Hamas representative Moussa Abu Marzook said, the RIA Novosti news agency reported.
 
I think this makes 36 trucks now (today). MOO

Israel-Hamas war live: WHO ‘deeply concerned’ by report of evacuation warning to Gaza’s al-Quds hospital (theguardian.com)
2m ago22.29 GMT

The International Committee of the Red Cross has announced that three more aid trucks crossed into Gaza on Sunday.

The trucks come as an addition to the 6 trucks and war surgery team that were sent into Gaza on Friday, the ICRC said, adding that it stands ready to deliver more aid to address the “huge needs” in Gaza.
 

International Criminal Court prosecutor says strikes on civilian infrastructure always have to be justified​


The International Criminal Court prosecutor Karim Khan told CNN on Sunday that anyone who targets civilian infrastructure in the Israel-Gaza conflict will need to "justify every strike.”

"There should be no doubt that every decision-maker, from head of government, to military advisors, to lawyers that have targeting-making decisions, should be on clear notice that they will be required to justify every strike against every civilian object," Khan said.

"What I can say, clearly, is the willful killing and hostage-taking are great breaches of the Geneva Conventions," Khan said. "In all circumstances, human objects have to be protected, unless you can establish that they've lost their protection," he continued.

Khan said civilian targets, such as a “house or school or hospital or a church or a mosque,” are required to be protected under international law unless they become military objectives.

He said to determine whether those targets are military objectives is “complex” and will require analysis and information.

"You've got to prove that — you can't assume it. And the burden of proof is on the person that is firing at, or targeting the dwelling house, or the school or the hospital or the church or the mosque,” Khan outlined.

The prosecutor also warned that denying humanitarian assistance to civilians is a crime.

"I think that's, again, a matter that needs urgent consideration by Israel — to make sure that food and medicine go to children and women and men," Khan said.

He suggested that, even if a child were to survive an attack initially, a subsequent lack of medical care may mean dire consequences.

"What kind of hope does a baby have, does a child have, to medical care if there's no anesthetic? If there's no morphine? If there's no medicine?" he asked.

"Whether a child is born Jewish in Israel or is a Christian or Muslim in Gaza — they're children and we should have that sense of humanity — that legal, ethical, moral responsibility to do right by them," Khan stated.

More background: The ICC is an independent organization based in The Hague in the Netherlands and is not part of the United Nations system. Under Article 5 of the Rome Statute, the ICC has jurisdiction over genocide, crimes against humanity and war crimes.

However, the ICC can only exercise jurisdiction over crimes if they were committed on the territory of a country that is a member — or by one of its nationals.

Israel is not party to the Rome Statute. There have been some case-by-case exceptions. A state that is not party to the ICC can make a declaration to accept the jurisdiction of the ICC, and the United Nations Security Council can refer a situation to the ICC even if the UN member state is not party to the statute.

 
From Telegram Channel Caucasus.Realities. (Кавказ.Реалии).

«The Dagestan Ministry of Health reports more than 20 casualties during an anti-Semitic protest at Makhachkala airport. Two people are in extremely serious condition. “There are moderate and serious casualties among both police officers and civilians,” the ministry clarifies.

Ten people are in hospitals, and more than ten people with minor injuries sought outpatient medical care.»
 
This is not Chechnya but Dagestan. Different republics/countries.

In general, if you look at the map of the former Soviet Union, you see many pieces that are ethnically populated by one group but politically belong to another one (e.g. Nagorno-Karabakh). Some are populated by the same ethnicity but divided religiously (Northern and Southern Ossetia). I think that when the Bolsheviks drew the borders of the republics, they foresaw the possibility of seceding, and made it maximally difficult. Remember, in the Soviet Union, the republics had the right of “self-determination up to seceding”, so to make the latter practically impossible, “divide and conquer” principle was widely used. It tells now. In general, just think, Kabardino-Balkaria, Checheno-Ingushetia. Here are many republics/geographical entities populated by different ethnicities. There is, and will be, a lot of interethnic tensions. If you add to it any “foreign” group, Jews, or Russians, or Armenians, things might turn ugly at any point. It is Islamic religion but less so than in the rest of the world, after all, my generation was raised in atheism, and the abandon with which everyone turned to religion in the 1990es only underscores underlying secularity, IMHO. Rather, it is very old, convoluted history that I am just starting to discover. (Happy to post more, but “Russian” “Caucasus mountains” is a totally unique area; it was colonized in the time of Nicholas I, after 1825, and populated by all kinds of different people/peoples, so nothing is easy or easily understood there.)

This Russian mob attack, I feel it deep in my bones.

My DNA is stirring. Maybe screaming.

One of my grandfathers was born in America. The other three were born during the time of the Russian Empire, under Czar Nicholas II. Actually one grandmother was born in Mielic, Poland (@Dotta) when it had a large but poor Jewish population.
My maternal grandparents were born in Kyiv (now Ukraine) and the other in a town that is now part of Belarus.
All three came over by different boats in 1915, to escape persecution in Russia by Cossacks, and oppression of the Jews in Poland.

They met and married in NYC.

A great-grandfather I never met was hung from a tree in Russia, hung by his Tallis, which is a kind of prayer shawl worn by orthodox Jewish men.

This savagery, to hunt the Jews wherever they may be, this time by a Russian ethnic group of Muslims, makes me hyper aware of what my grandparents lived through, over a century ago.

The Jewish part of Mielic in Poland was destroyed by the Nazis, long after my grandmother had left.

I was born in Manhattan and still live in NYC, and never did I think that in my lifetime, I as a Jew would be unsafe in my city, or witness the wholesale murder of Jewish civilians in Israel, PLUS mobs in countries in the former Soviet Union, AGAIN attacking the Jewish people.

@Charlot123 I had one student from the Caucasus, a Jewish boy, and he had a very different upbringing from any former Soviet Union Jew I’d ever met…they have a hardscrabble lifestyle and a warrior spirit.

These are torturous times.

Imo
 
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On Saturday, Hamas said that it is trying to locate eight Russian-Israeli dual citizens who are among the more than 200 hostages captured during its 7 October attacks against Israel.

“We are looking for those people ... It is hard but we are looking. And when we find them, we will let them go …

sbm. Of course they know where they've put the hostages. To me this sounds like the Russian-Israeli citizens and likely many more hostages have already been murdered.
 
Additional Footage has been released from the Riots earlier tonight at Makhachkala International Airport in Dagestan, showing how the Russian National Guards were able to Regain Control over the Airport, with Mil Mi-17 “Hip” Transport Helicopters landing on the Tarmac before Russian Security Forces appear to Open Fire with Rubber Bullets and eventually Live Ammunition once the Rioters began to Attacks the Soldiers with Rocks and other Items.
 
From Telegram Channel Caucasus.Realities. (Кавказ.Реалии).

«The Dagestan Ministry of Health reports more than 20 casualties during an anti-Semitic protest at Makhachkala airport. Two people are in extremely serious condition. “There are moderate and serious casualties among both police officers and civilians,” the ministry clarifies.

Ten people are in hospitals, and more than ten people with minor injuries sought outpatient medical care.»
I believe "casualty here it injury and not a death. I know some hear casualty and think death so I just wanted to comment in case anyone read that and thinks 20 deaths. It sounds like 2 critical injuries and the rest of the "casualties" are are serious and moderate condition. It's still awful and nobody should be injured because this situation is just unnecessary.
 
The Spokesman for the Jordanian Army, Brigadier General Mustafa Hiyar told State Media today that Jordan has now requested for the United States to Deploy a number of additional MIM-104 Patriot Surface-to-Air Missiles Batteries to the Country in order to Bolster their Defenses against possible Foreign Threats.
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The Israel Defense Force has released a Warning to all Journalists still within the City of Beit Hanoun in Northern Gaza to Evacuate as soon as possible.
 

Staunch U.S. ally Jordan asked Washington to deploy Patriot air defence systems to bolster its border defence at a time of heightened regional tensions and conflict, the spokesperson for the country's army said on Sunday.
 
This Russian mob attack, I feel it deep in my bones.

My DNA is stirring. Maybe screaming.

One of my grandfathers was born in America. The other three were born during the time of the Russian Empire, under Czar Nicholas II. Actually one grandmother was born in Mielic, Poland (@Dotta) when it had a large but poor Jewish population.
My maternal grandparents were born in Kyiv (now Ukraine) and the other in a town that is now part of Belarus.
All three came over by different boats in 1915, to escape persecution in Russia by Cossacks, and oppression of the Jews in Poland.

They met and married in NYC.

A great-grandfather I never met was hung from a tree in Russia, hung by his Tallis, which is a kind of prayer shawl worn by orthodox Jewish men.

This savagery, to hunt the Jews wherever they may be, this time by a Russian ethinic group of Muslims, makes me hyper aware of what my grandparents lived through, over a century ago.

The Jewish part of Mielic in Poland was destroyed by the Nazis, long after my grandmother had left.

I was born in Manhattan and still live in NYC, and never did I think that in my lifetime, I as a Jew would be unsafe in my city, and witness the wholesale murder of Jewish civilians in Israel, PLUS mobs in countries in the former Soviet Union, AGAIN attacking the Jewish people.

@Charlot123 i had one student from the Caucasus, a Jewish boy, and he had a very different upbringing from any former Soviet Union Jew I’d ever met…they have a hardscrabble lifestyle and a warrior spirit.

These are torturous times.
These are Dagestanis. I don't know if they consider themselves "Russians". They were taken over by Russia from Persia in the 19th Century during the Russian-Persian War. "Dag" is Turkish for mountain. "Stan" is Persian for land. They are primarily Muslim. However, I think they're just plain old mad. They don't have a country or even much recognition. All this rioting indicates, they're plain old mad about something and I don't think it's Jews on a plane...They're going crazy rioting. That ain't normal.....It's almost like they're revolting against something.
 
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