I've read enough! Ramseys done it.

[SallyLu]

Plenum7 - fanatstic post!


I've just recently come down off the fence and now believe the Ramsey's killed their daughter. They didn't care who got shafted - as long as it wasn't them. All the finger pointing tells me what horrible people they are. They were so busy saving themselves they didn't care who went down. They never had time to grieve as it was about survival for them. I wonder what they whispered to each other in private?

 

[Jacobi]

Can any RDI theory explain the red fibers found tied into the garrotte? If this were so carefully staged, why would Patsy still be wearing the red jacket during the staging? Didn't the Mindhunter book have a section on staging a crime scene and fiber evidence?


Here are questions I've often wondered that steer me away from the Ramseys: (note, these are just questions that many others have wondered and they shouldn't be misconstrued as an accusation of any sort)

Who had a connection with JBR and promised her a special gift after Christmas? (trust)
Who was pictured next to PR while she was wearing the red sweater-jacket? (fiber transfer)
Who spent time in the mall with little children? (deviant predilection)
Whose wife was an ex-movie reviewer? (ransom note)
Who had a daughter that was kidnapped by a child molester on the 26th of Dec years earlier? (pattern)
Who was eliminated as a suspect based on DNA evidence which most RDI theories discount anyway? (red herring)
Who was eliminated because he was deemed too frail yet somehow wasn't frail enough to appear at the party?
Whose wife wrote a play about a torture/murder of a girl in a basement?

 

[SleuthingSleuth]

Can any RDI theory explain the red fibers found tied into the garrotte? If this were so carefully staged, why would Patsy still be wearing the red jacket during the staging? Didn't the Mindhunter book have a section on staging a crime scene and fiber evidence?

Most likely because she wouldn't have been thinking about it...in other words, she made mistakes.
Many IDI's dismiss the red fibers because Patsy lived there, and it is passed off that her fibers being anywhere was not out of place. This is pretty much the Ramsey team position, I believe...if they gave an explanation at all.

Here are questions I've often wondered that steer me away from the Ramseys: (note, these are just questions that many others have wondered and they shouldn't be misconstrued as an accusation of any sort)

Who had a connection with JBR and promised her a special gift after Christmas? (trust)
Who was pictured next to PR while she was wearing the red sweater-jacket? (fiber transfer)
Who spent time in the mall with little children? (deviant predilection)
Whose wife was an ex-movie reviewer? (ransom note)
Who had a daughter that was kidnapped by a child molester on the 26th of Dec years earlier? (pattern)
Who was eliminated as a suspect based on DNA evidence which most RDI theories discount anyway? (red herring)
Who was eliminated because he was deemed too frail yet somehow wasn't frail enough to appear at the party?
Whose wife wrote a play about a torture/murder of a girl in a basement?

Sure, the McReynolds had some things about them that raised eyebrows...but if say, Santa Bill had done it...certainly his big beard would have left hairs behind.

Then you have the issue of how any of them could have gotten into the house, etc...

Of note though was that the McReynold's son had a prior conviction for kidnapping and had no alibi when it came to JBR's death, I believe.

 

[rashomon]

I've read enough! I'm new to this case and have been going through accounts and reports for only a few days and I've already firmed to a RDI position with a hypothesis. It seems clear enough to me.

The ransom note is the thing to consider. From the start I figured that the ransom note must be the key. While all else is muddled, the perp has been good enough to provide three solid pages of clues. I think the note gives 'em away. Or rather the clue that gives the whole thing away, in my opinion, is that Patsy reported that she came down the spiral stairs and when she saw the note she thought it was a note from the housekeeper.

For me - that's bingo! There's the key!

Ramseys did it. Not sure why or which of them, but there they are on the night of 26th Dec. with a dead daughter. They decide to cover up the crime (or accident). Their plan is to set up a kidnapping scenario to implicate their housekeeper.

The whole purpose of the ransom note is to immediately point to the housekeeper. Its position at the base of the stairs suggests the housekeeper, too.

Forget the body for now. Imagine you are at the crime scene that morning. Girl gone. Ransom note. No sign of forced entry. JR insists all is intact. Yet the cops present think something is not right about the scene. They sense staging of some kind.

The question to ask is - "Staged to lead the cops to what conclusion?" What do the Ramseys want the cops to think?

The answer is - staged to lead the cops to suspect the housekeeper and/or people connected to her.

This is all the Ramseys have got. They figure they there is a chance they might be able to direct the cops to the housekeeper. The housekeeper had asked for a loan of $2000 from the Ramseys on 24th Dec. When Jonbenet was killed on the 25th/early 26th, this request provided the Ramsey's with a plan. Who had a motive so they could try to frame them? The housekeeper had a financial motive. Try to frame her. Its not a brilliant plan, but all they've got.

The whole kidnapping scenario is designed to point to the housekeeper. Consider:

*Patsy mistakes the ransom note for a note from her housekeeper. Direct identification.

*The note is written to suggest that the author knows the Ramseys but is envious of their wealth. (fat cat!)

*The note refers to $118,000, an allusion to Ramsey's Christmas bonus. Who might know this? The housekeeper might know their business.

*Patsy tells cops that the handwriting in the note reminds her of the housekeeper's handwriting.

*John insists that he personally secured the house and that nothing had been unlocked or broken into. He wants to lead the cops to the conclusion that someone with a key must have done it. Who? Housekeeper. When cops ask him "Who else had a key?" he immediately suggested the housekeeper.

*The use of pen and paper from the house suggests the housekeeper. Note that JR offered the notepad to the cops when they requested writing samples. He wanted them to find it. Who would know where writing utensils are located in the house? Housekeeper. (Expected to write a note to remind them about the money.)

*When asked who had a key to the house Patsy stated, "The only person in Colorado with a key is my housekeeper Linda Hoffman-Pugh.”

*Arndt questioned Patsy on who might be responsible for the kidnapping. Patsy offered the housekeeper. "Linda asked to borrow money from me on December 24. She needed $2,000 – for family dental work, I think. I was suppose to leave her a check on the kitchen counter before we left for Michigan."

The whole scene is designed to point at the housekeeper! I think that is all you need to know.

Question: Where did you find the note maam?

Answer: I came down the spiral stairs. When I saw the note I thought it was a note from the housekeeper, and....

Enough said right there. The note is phoney and the Ramseys want to direct the investigation to the housekeeper.

That's my reading of it for what it is worth.

When the housekeeper-did-it ruse doesn't work the Ramseys go for an anonymous-intruder-did-it. After that they got lucky.

The ransom note itself is a deliberate piece of dissimulation. It suggests various motives. Political. Financial. Personal dislike of JR. It is incoherent in this sense. But it is designed to point to the housekeeper. That much is coherent. The equation of the ransom note with the anticipated note from the housekeeper is the key to understanding this piece of dissimulation.

Again: The whole scene is designed to point at the housekeeper! I think that is all you need to know. on that basis, Ramseys done it. Why and exactly how? Don't know. But in the ransom note and the staging of the kidnapping they were pitching the whole thing so the cops would suspect the housekeeper. Has to be Ramseys.

Very impressive post, Plenum! And I much appreciate your true open-mindedness (you came here as a fence-sitter only a few days ago!) and your abilitiy to put two and two together very quickly once you realized that the ransom note doesn't pass the sniffing test - it reeks! - and then gave this ransom note an x-ray.

In terms of your theory of the note being meant to imply the housekeeper:
no doubt the Ramseys' housekeeper LHP was among the (many!) people the Ramseys were ready to throw under the bus should the need arise.
I don't think that the whole ransom note was designed to implicate LHP, (would Patsy have used elaborate language like attaché and hence if she had only the housekeeper as the author of the note in mind?) - to me the RN sounds more like wild concoction written in the frantic hope that the investigators would at least swallow one scenario offered. In case the foreign faction scenario should not be swallowed, let's lay out a clue pointing at the housekeeper, and in addition let's stage an ugly sexual predator scene - in short, anything which will point to other people as possible perps.

The fact that the Ramseys had to write the ransom note with pen and paper from their own home made it very likely that the police would soon find out about it, and the Ramseys must have known this. Therefore the housekeeper would indeed come in handy for them to direct suspicion on.
Very telling also that Patsy, while waiting for the kidnappers to call, on examining only a photocopy of the RN, said that the note was written on pen and paper she had in the kitchen. Police would wonder how she could tell, since they saw no similarities. (ITRMI, p 25)

 

[Jacobi]

Most likely because she wouldn't have been thinking about it...in other words, she made mistakes.
Many IDI's dismiss the red fibers because Patsy lived there, and it is passed off that her fibers being anywhere was not out of place. This is pretty much the Ramsey team position, I believe...if they gave an explanation at all.

Santa Bill was pictured next to Patsy, so it stands to reason that certain fibers may have rubbed onto his Santa suit. Now, when the Ramseys were questioned on the fibers, the lab results were not explicitly laid out, i.e. were there other red or white fibers present on the tape? When Santa was ruled out, I think it was based on DNA, hair and blood samples, not fiber evidence.

(sorry about going off topic, will post about santa again in a more relevant topic)

 

[Love_Mama]

It is really simple isn't it? It's not a hard case to solve which is why all of this is so frustrating.

There are people sitting on death row with less evidence against them.

The biggest problem is did Patsy do the crime or was she covering it up. That is why this case will never be truly solved.

Tricia, I want thank you and all of you on the forums.. who have stayed with this case so long and for all the information you'd made available to all of us!
You guy's are amazing!

I just spent two hours carefully reading the Atlanta GA interview with Patsy and John.......along with their attorney Lyn Wood. Like you, I cannot imagine why this wasn't all over the media.

Looking back to 1996, my first reaction was that one or both of the Ramsey's had to be guilty. Child murdered in her own home, Christmas Eve, parents at home. LE would think parent's immediately!

Pasty's 'too soon' answer that the only person with a key to the house was the housekeeper! Bad timing Patsy......she should have waited and said something (like the truth) that a few friends had a key......and yes, so did the maid! Dummy, she say's the maid right off! I'm sure LE picked up on that immediately. (Police officer's are really not dumb)!

LE MUST have picked up on the fact that after they were called.......no one had gone into the basement to look......Every person on this forum would have looked EVERYWhere immediately, but the Ramsey's were biding for time.

They call a ton of friends to come over...(how stupid would the be if you thought your child had been kidnapped)! The Ramsey's knew where Jon Benet was and also knew that the more people that were there, the more the crime scene would be contaminated. They KNEW that!

Finally when Linda Arnt....(sp) gets there and see's JR coming up from the cellar..WITH Jon Bennet's body, she KNOW'S somthing is wrong, tells the police.... but most of what she reports get's tossed! Why, money talks!

People who kill little children in the child's own home do NOT leave ransom notes.

It's a tough call between Patsy and John, but for sure I think one or both of them were involved!

Tricia.......I hope this case never dies. I know there are people who care about the murder of a little girl and will never let this get cold.

You, all the great people who work with you...love you ..will never quit fighting for justice for little Jon Benet!
xxxxo
mama

 

[RiverRat]

In reality - the housekeeper was far from being the only person in Colorado with a key to the Ramsey home. Pure Patsy.

 

[cindysnow3]

The biggest problem is did Patsy do the crime or was she covering it up. That is why this case will never be truly solved.

You are so right Tricia. I don't think the whole truth, even if it is "EVER" solved will be known. IMO I don't think it will ever be solved unless the killer confesses everything.

 

[Chrishope]

Plenum7

Some good thoughts there. Respectfully, I disagree with you that the housekeeper was -the- target. She was simply the first target.

I think the Rs simply wanted to get the cops looking at anyone but the Rs. The housekeeper probably seemed the "logical" person for the Rs to suspect first - thus they mentioned her first.

A very real problem here is that JBR's dead body lay in the basement the whole time. As soon as her body was found the police would have been unlikely to suspect the housekeeper. The housekeeper would have done a real kidnapping. And if, for some bizzaro reason, the housekeeper had killed her, why all the pervy sex murder staging? Besides, PR apparently had agreed to loan the housekeeper 2K, so where's the motive?

I'm giving the Rs enough credit to have thought of all this. The note simply points away from the Rs - doesn't matter to who. In fact, it's better that it doesn't point to anyone in particular because that creates more possible suspects.

I don't think you have to figure out who the note points to to know it's a fake and that the Rs are the most likely killers. The RN and a dead body both in the house are enough to know the RN is fake. Why would a kidnapper kill the victim and leave the body in the house? Not a high probability of collecting in those circumstances.

Why would an intruder-perv need to leave any sort of note? Or do any staging? He could just rape her, kill her, and leave.

 

[Chrishope]

Can any RDI theory explain the red fibers found tied into the garrotte? If this were so carefully staged, why would Patsy still be wearing the red jacket during the staging? Didn't the Mindhunter book have a section on staging a crime scene and fiber evidence?


Here are questions I've often wondered that steer me away from the Ramseys: (note, these are just questions that many others have wondered and they shouldn't be misconstrued as an accusation of any sort)

Who had a connection with JBR and promised her a special gift after Christmas? (trust)
Who was pictured next to PR while she was wearing the red sweater-jacket? (fiber transfer)
Who spent time in the mall with little children? (deviant predilection)
Whose wife was an ex-movie reviewer? (ransom note)
Who had a daughter that was kidnapped by a child molester on the 26th of Dec years earlier? (pattern)
Who was eliminated as a suspect based on DNA evidence which most RDI theories discount anyway? (red herring)
Who was eliminated because he was deemed too frail yet somehow wasn't frail enough to appear at the party?
Whose wife wrote a play about a torture/murder of a girl in a basement?

We don't know who promissed a special gift or secret visit.

It's quite a stretch to say just because someone plays Santa at the mall they have deviant predilictions.

Wouldn't an ex-movie review be more careful? And less cliche?

How much strength does one need to attend a party?

The paly that Santa Bill's wife wrote was based on a famous murder case that happened in Indiana in the 1960s. You can read about it on Crime Library.

 

[angelwngs]

OK........... I have a question that I NEED someone who remembers more than me to answer, pretty please....

Was it the housekeeper who mentioned that the Barbie nightgown placed with JBR was her favorite night gown?

The "favorite nightgown" w/ JBR is the only thing that I still can't figure out "why" along with the "who".

If the housekeeper knew it was her favorite and told LE that, then it can be assumed that PR knew the housekeeper thought it was JBR's favorite and if PR was trying to 1st make the housekeeper look guilty, she could have put the nightgown w/JBR.

If not, "IF" PR did the crime, but did not know the housekeeper felt the Barbie night gown was JBR's favorite, and wasn't trying to implicate the housekeeper of the crime, why put the Barbie nightgown with the body????? :waitasec: :waitasec: :waitasec:


My head is about to explode again............

Help please... Somebody... Anybody.....

 

[Jacobi]

We don't know who promissed a special gift or secret visit.

A card was found in the trash after the murder. Trip DeMuth, one of the original prosecutors on the case, has mentioned that Santa Bill gave JonBenet a card that read: "You will receive a special gift after Christmas." This has been reported on CNN.

It's quite a stretch to say just because someone plays Santa at the mall they have deviant predilictions.

I agree, taken on its own, his work as santa in the mall has no significance, but in the context of the theory, it does make one wonder.

Wouldn't an ex-movie review be more careful? And less cliche?

You draw on what you know.

How much strength does one need to attend a party?

How much strength does it take to fit a body in a suitcase and lift it through that window?

The paly that Santa Bill's wife wrote was based on a famous murder case that happened in Indiana in the 1960s. You can read about it on Crime Library.

Yes, I know. It's just one of those coincidences that can appear more sinister than it is.

Oh, and I forgot to add, I think the Santas don't have a verifiable alibi as they claimed to have gone to bed at 8pm.

 

[PagingDrDetect]

Originally Posted by paperhanger44z
I agree with them wanting to point outside the household,but i dont buy the housekeeper part of it .The staging to be a sex crime nor the ransome note fit that theory. I think they just threw hers among others to point away from them.

I agree. I think at the time the staging was done it was meant to point at any but a Ramsey who was a sadistic pervert. Then the Ramsey's started throwing anyone and everyone under the bus once they had to establish they had nothing to do with it. I just think their logical first choice of who got thrown under the bus first was the housekeeper... at least it appears it was Patsy's first choice.

Originally Posted by Jacobi
Can any RDI theory explain the red fibers found tied into the garrotte? If this were so carefully staged, why would Patsy still be wearing the red jacket during the staging? Didn't the Mindhunter book have a section on staging a crime scene and fiber evidence?

It wasn't carefully staged. The fibers found tied into the garrote were from Patsy's sweater, therefore she or someone else was wearing it when the deed was done. Since the sweater in question was Patsy's and known to be worn by her that night, it's safe to assume it was her wearing it when the deed was done. There is a lot more about those fibers than just being red. And there's no indication that all of them found to belong to the sweater ARE red. LE merely refers to the garment as a red sweater, which was in fact multi-colored with the predominant color being red. As an example, I have a pair of black pants with silver ornamentation around the waist and an aplique of silver, black and white on the thigh of one leg, but I refer to them as my black pants because predominantly they are black.

Why was Patsy still wearing the sweater during the staging? Who knows. Why did she wear anything during the staging? Most likely she was wearing it during the staging because she was wearing it when the accident or act of rage occurred.

There is no indication that Patsy ever read Mind Hunter. That book was on JR's side of the bed, and he was the one in the family that liked to read thrillers. Since we don't know if Patsy did the staging with or without JR's knowledge we don't really know how information from that book about crime scene staging may have come into play. It's that book and JR's interest in thriller novels that leads me to imagine that JR had more to do with orchestrating the staging. However, the staging is so bad that I've yet to find anything about it that couldn't be figured out by a person with imagination and common sense knowledge... the average person knows about DNA and basically how it relates to forensics, the average person knows some kidnappers leave ransom notes, the average person knows that sexual deviants may incorporate erotic aphixiation into their sex games. Really, when it comes down to it, everything about the staging is very amature and could have been done by an average person. The only thing that strikes me as odd is the garote... I wouldn't think the average person would know what one was or what it might look like. However, JR was in the military at one time and may have learned of such a thing there... or it could have been learned from some kind of thriller novel.

I do find it interesting that the author of Mind Hunter pimps for the Ramsey's and met them after the crime.

Originally Posted by Jacobi
Who had a connection with JBR and promised her a special gift after Christmas? (trust)
Who was pictured next to PR while she was wearing the red sweater-jacket? (fiber transfer)
Who spent time in the mall with little children? (deviant predilection)
Whose wife was an ex-movie reviewer? (ransom note)
Who had a daughter that was kidnapped by a child molester on the 26th of Dec years earlier? (pattern)
Who was eliminated as a suspect based on DNA evidence which most RDI theories discount anyway? (red herring)
Who was eliminated because he was deemed too frail yet somehow wasn't frail enough to appear at the party?
Whose wife wrote a play about a torture/murder of a girl in a basement?

And who was aware of all of these things? One or both of the Ramseys.

Originally Posted by Jacobi
Santa Bill was pictured next to Patsy, so it stands to reason that certain fibers may have rubbed onto his Santa suit. Now, when the Ramseys were questioned on the fibers, the lab results were not explicitly laid out, i.e. were there other red or white fibers present on the tape? When Santa was ruled out, I think it was based on DNA, hair and blood samples, not fiber evidence.

If there IS no Santa fiber evidence, yeah, that contributes to ruling him out.

Originally Posted by angelwngs
Was it the housekeeper who mentioned that the Barbie nightgown placed with JBR was her favorite night gown?

Off the top of my head I think it was Nedra that said it was her favorite nightgown. But if anyone would know which nightgown was her favorite it would be Patsy.

 

[FourthBase]

Everyone here seems to have their pet suspect. What if you are all right and there were multiple people involved in her death? What's the general consensus here regarding a pedophile ring involving the Ramseys?

 

[JMO8778]

Everyone here seems to have their pet suspect. What if you are all right and there were multiple people involved in her death? What's the general consensus here regarding a pedophile ring involving the Ramseys?

I don't know as I am fairly new here myself,and I don't have an opinion on it one way or the other,altho I do wonder about comments made in the last 2 full paragraphs on p.308 in DOI.(which continues with the start of another paragraph at the end of the page in the paperback version).It's too much to quote but anyone with the book might could see what I'm talking about.It doesn't make much sense, and the reader is just left to speculate about it.

 

[icedtea4me]

Or rather the clue that gives the whole thing away, in my opinion, is that Patsy reported that she came down the spiral stairs and when she saw the note she thought it was a note from the housekeeper.

DOI pp 10-11

I hurry down the spiral staircase to the bottom floor and stop.What's this? I wonder. I turn around to look at three pieces of paper on a step near the bottom. I bend over. Must be a note from the cleaning lady, Linda, I think. Probably reminding me that she needs to borrow twenty-five hundred dollars. I must leave a check on the kitchen counter before we leave.


The Ramseys came in through the garage that night and were right by the spiral staircase. If Linda were to have left a note, I would think she would have done so earlier that evening. I mean, why in the world would she come over to the Ramsey house after they were all asleep to leave a loan reminder note on the stairs? Wouldn't it be more logical to leave a message on the answering machine? And why would it take Linda, let alone anyone, three pages to write out a simple "Thank you for the loan, Patsy. Please leave the check on the kitchen island. Linda" unless she wrote it in gigantic letters with five words to each page.

The least Patsy could have done is make this sound somewhat plausible. It's like she's saying to the reader "You know damn good and well I wasn't thinking that when I found the note. And if I wasn't thinking that when I found the note, then there was no note on the stairs to be found."


-Tea

 

[LinasK]

Welcome to WS Plenum7! :clap: You are the most informed newbie about this case that I've come across in this forum! You've taken the time and done your homework I see. Great theory about throwing the housekeeper under the bus, they tried to throw several other people under the bus.

P.S. I've read that the "two gentlemen" reference in the ransom note was to try to point at Jeff Merrick who worked with JR and another guy they didn't like as well...

 

[Tricia]

Jacobi wrote,

A card was found in the trash after the murder. Trip DeMuth, one of the original prosecutors on the case, has mentioned that Santa Bill gave JonBenet a card that read: "You will receive a special gift after Christmas." This has been reported on CNN.

This is absolutely FALSE. If it was reported on CNN it was a total mistake.

If you can provide info ANYWHERE that is reliable that proves this I will apologize.

 

[Jacobi]

Jacobi wrote,
This is absolutely FALSE. If it was reported on CNN it was a total mistake.

If you can provide info ANYWHERE that is reliable that proves this I will apologize.

Hey Tricia,

Concerning the card:

From the videotaped deposition of Steve Thomas on Sept. 21 2001 it reads:

6 Q. Was there a note from Bill
7 McReynolds found torn up in JonBenet's trash
8 can in her room?

9 A. I have heard that.

10 Q. Did you ever check to see if that
11 were true?

12 A. I think I was told that it was
13 some sort of card.

14 Q. From Bill McReynolds?
15 A. Yes.

That Steve doesn't question its existence is striking, and if we are to believe it then the idea of Santa Bill sending JonBenet a card is very concerning. Of course, we only have second hand info regarding its contents.

 

[tumble]

Hey Tricia,

Concerning the card:

From the videotaped deposition of Steve Thomas on Sept. 21 2001 it reads:

6 Q. Was there a note from Bill
7 McReynolds found torn up in JonBenet's trash
8 can in her room?

9 A. I have heard that.

10 Q. Did you ever check to see if that
11 were true?

12 A. I think I was told that it was
13 some sort of card.

14 Q. From Bill McReynolds?
15 A. Yes.

That Steve doesn't question its existence is striking, and if we are to believe it then the idea of Santa Bill sending JonBenet a card is very concerning. Of course, we only have second hand info regarding its contents.

There was a Cristmas card found in a trash can but it is not known from who that card comes from.

13 TOM HANEY: Next we have two color copies

14 of photo --

15 PATSY RAMSEY: Christmas something, I don't

16 know what it is.

17 TRIP DeMUTH: That's, I'll tell what you

18 that is, that is a still photo from a videotape.

19 It was looking down into a trash can. I don't

20 know which one for sure.

21 TOM HANEY: In the house.

22 TRIP DeMUTH: In the house, yeah. Took a

23 wastebasket in the house.

24 Do you recognize this stationery?

25 PATSY RAMSEY: No, I don't know recognize

0557

1 anything. I mean, it looks like a Christmas

2 card, you know --


Santa sent a card that he was going to have surgury but that was long before christmas.

3 THOMAS HANEY: Okay. And of course

4 I opened it and it said that he was -- I believe

5 it said that he was about to go into the

6 hospital for open heart surgery, some kind of a

7 pretty major surgery, and he was going to take

8 along with him the bottle of sprinkle dust,

9 prayer dust that she had given him when he was

10 at our house at Christmastime, and --

11 THOMAS HANEY: Christmas '95?

12 PATSY RAMSEY: The previous year,

13 right. And just that that meant a lot to him,

14 and I guess he just wanted us to know he was

15 going to surgery. I mean I thought -- I mean I

16 was surprised that he was going into surgery,

17 and I thought it sweet that he sent us a card.