Jailhouse snitch claims avery confessed

[CoolJ]

Thanks BCA!

I did notice the signatures are different (you mention this in another post). One is Joseph W. Evans Jr, and the other is Joe Wayne Evans Jr. Did you all notice the date he said he wrote it? August 25th. BD's habeas decision was on August 12th, and Zellner filed her motion on August 26th. It should be noted that on the 14th of this month, less than 2 weeks, the 7th Circuit will be hearing oral arguments in BD's case. And Kratz has a book coming out sometime this month too.

I will say JMO because I can't link it, but SG (SA's ex-fiance) said that this was sent out to the media in August by JE's girlfriend. Not sure why no one printed it but I can guess, and my guess would be because they are smarter than JE? LOL I find the timing curious that Jim Hagerty is just getting a copy now and has decided to print it.

IMO the letter reads like something someone who believes SA is guilty and is trying to explain away the lack of evidence (they cleaned with bleach, etc.). I feel like it is something I could have read in the "do not think SA was framed thread" and the only thing missing was the tarp they laid her on. I am curious to see if anything KK has in his book is similar to his guys "story", I don't plan on reading it unless I can find a free copy though LOL

I would like to know who his girlfriend is too.... I wonder how closely she has been following this case and the questions that surround it, the lack of DNA, the lack of blood, the contaminated bullet.

Anyway, JMO! For now, I will be throwing this in my BS pile.... ya know, the one that is about to fall over because it's keeps growing! :biggrin:

Either Evans is an in-depth researcher of this case or someone told him exactly what to write. It is no coincidence that his letter attempts to discredit all of the theories of planted evidence. Almost like he is checking it off of a list ... one by one by one

 

[missy1974]

The AAG Wambach who prosecuted Evans (and i would imagine has some pull in granting him leniency or favours while in prison) is apparently an ole buddy of Kratz, so that is one possible connection...

ahhhh a simple google search and I found this...

http://www.wkow.com/story/13205906/crminal-prosecution-of-kratz-still-possible

WKOW27 News reported Assistant Attorney General David Wambach, who has prosecuted many cases for DOJ, was one of a small group of supporters when Kratz created a campaign committee to explore a run for Congress in 2008.

DOJ spokesperson Dean Stensberg declined to comment on whether Wambach was involved in the 2009 decision not to criminally prosecute Kratz.

"We're not getting into who was involved this process," Stensberg said.
​

and this...

http://www.wxow.com/story/13202532/top-doj-prosecutor-kratz-political-supporter

In November 2009, DOJ officials determined Kratz's sexually suggestive text messages to a domestic abuse victim did not amount to a crime, but it is unclear whether Kratz political supporter Assistant Attorney General David Wambach participated in that decision.​

Thanks CoolJ

 

[missy1974]

Either Evans is an in-depth researcher of this case or someone told him exactly what to write. It is no coincidence that his letter attempts to discredit all of the theories of planted evidence. Almost like he is checking it off of a list ... one by one by one

exactly! Kind of why I'm curious about who his girlfriend is too ;-)

 

[CoolJ]

exactly! Kind of why I'm curious about who his girlfriend is too ;-)

The story, as written, doesn't even make sense. Don't like writing these gritty details but he says SA had turned her over on her stomach to sodomize her and then brings BD in and grabs her pubic hair to show him her V. ... but i thought she was on her stomach???

Not too mention, has anyone ever told you a story and you were able to recall it in such vivid detail 6 years later??

ETA: Steve is apparently quite the vivid story teller, even going as far as to explain the type of shirt (flannel) that he was wearing when he put the key in his shirt pocket...... and the memory on Evans.... WOW he is like Rain Man!

 

[Madeleine74]

"The nine-page letter is prefaced by Joseph Evans Jr.’s, request for media to publicize the jailhouse confession to honor Halbach’s family and possibly aid in the release of Brendan Dassey."

http://www.rockfordadvocate.com/case-reports-steven-avery-and-an-alleged-jailhouse-confession-14177/

Doesn't sound like something the State would do. JMO

He has a strange sense of "honoring Halbach's family" who must be hurt every time reminders of their daughter/sister/cousin surface again.

Sure wish this inmate would be given a polygraph to see what that might tell about the truth of his conversation occurring with SA or not. I'd also like to know why this inmate waited 6 years to disclose this conversation. The confession by SA to this guy allegedly occurred in 2010.

Since this guy is serving LWOP and was sentenced a year before the confession, I'm not sure what deal he could strike with the disclosure of the conversation and the writing of the letter. The state already convicted SA with the evidence presented 5 years before these 2 allegedly talked, the circuit court already rejected SA's appeal, the WI Supreme Court declined to hear the case. Not sure if this guy's letter can be used for anything related to Avery's case or future appeal(s).

 

[policyoftruth501]

Either Evans is an in-depth researcher of this case or someone told him exactly what to write. It is no coincidence that his letter attempts to discredit all of the theories of planted evidence. Almost like he is checking it off of a list ... one by one by one

Exactly. How many times have any of us had a conversation with someone and been able to recall specific details of the whole conversation - much less 9 pages of details. It just smells from page one to page nine. I don't believe any of it for a second. It reads more like a CYA statement than anything else.


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[CoolJ]

He has a strange sense of "honoring Halbach's family" who must be hurt every time reminders of their daughter/sister/cousin surface again.

Sure wish this inmate would be given a polygraph to see what that might tell about the truth of his conversation occurring with SA or not. I'd also like to know why this inmate waited 6 years to disclose this conversation. The confession by SA to this guy allegedly occurred in 2010.

Since this guy is serving LWOP and was sentenced a year before the confession, I'm not sure what deal he could strike with the disclosure of the conversation and the writing of the letter. The state already convicted SA with the evidence presented 5 years before these 2 allegedly talked, the circuit court already rejected SA's appeal, the WI Supreme Court declined to hear the case. Not sure if this guy's letter can be used for anything related to Avery's case or future appeal(s).

BBM

-Conjugal visits
-TV
-Rec time
-Commisary accounts
-Extra curricular Programs and activities
-Cell upgrades
-Institution transfers

There are all kinds of perks a prisoner can negotiate to make life on the inside a little more pleasant. But you need leverage. Leverage is huge in prison.

 

[Madeleine74]

So what's the leverage he has? To my knowledge neither the DA's office nor the courts control prison operations and prison rules. The prison wouldn't care about the letter.

And, more importantly, DID he obtain anything special as a result? He 'snitched' 6 months ago in 2016. What has he gotten in exchange? Certainly someone would know this and disclose if such a thing did occur.

 

[dexter75]

The state already knows BD is going to be released. It is inevitable. His confession has been ruled inadmissible and his conviction overturned. They are fighting like bastards to save some face and keep SA locked up and the truth hidden.

Yes yes yes!
IMO it's just a matter of time😉

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[dexter75]

But you are also struggling to comprehend the planted evidence and corruption by authorities from the get-go of this case. Maybe your cognitive strengths are in another arena. We all have our strengths and weaknesses. I was always very bad at calculus and essay writing. Nothing to be ashamed of to recognise your weaknesses. JMO

Ugh
Calculus..essays..yuck

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[dexter75]

Thanks BCA!

I did notice the signatures are different (you mention this in another post). One is Joseph W. Evans Jr, and the other is Joe Wayne Evans Jr. Did you all notice the date he said he wrote it? August 25th. BD's habeas decision was on August 12th, and Zellner filed her motion on August 26th. It should be noted that on the 14th of this month, less than 2 weeks, the 7th Circuit will be hearing oral arguments in BD's case. And Kratz has a book coming out sometime this month too.

I will say JMO because I can't link it, but SG (SA's ex-fiance) said that this was sent out to the media in August by JE's girlfriend. Not sure why no one printed it but I can guess, and my guess would be because they are smarter than JE? LOL I find the timing curious that Jim Hagerty is just getting a copy now and has decided to print it.

IMO the letter reads like something someone who believes SA is guilty and is trying to explain away the lack of evidence (they cleaned with bleach, etc.). I feel like it is something I could have read in the "do not think SA was framed thread" and the only thing missing was the tarp they laid her on. I am curious to see if anything KK has in his book is similar to his guys "story", I don't plan on reading it unless I can find a free copy though LOL

I would like to know who his girlfriend is too.... I wonder how closely she has been following this case and the questions that surround it, the lack of DNA, the lack of blood, the contaminated bullet.

Anyway, JMO! For now, I will be throwing this in my BS pile.... ya know, the one that is about to fall over because it's keeps growing! [emoji3]

Thanks for pointing out the difference in signatures😉
I glanced the letter over once and I too just chalked it up to the rest of the BS tactics the state has tried to pull.

Yea, I wouldn't spend a cent on Kratzs book either😉

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[Madeleine74]

After reading all the articles it seems like a few days after Duffin's decision in August, JE speaks with the authorities and puts his claims to paper because he wants to help BD. Now, with BD's case being argued in court in just a few short weeks, it is being revealed publically.

I am struggling to comprehend just where the State and former Prosecutor fit in to all of this or why they're being blamed. JMO

Interesting question. I'm not sure this letter can come in since everything's been submitted in briefs to the court already and (AFAICT) JE's letter is not a part of the submissions. Further, I'm not sure this letter would help BD even if it could come in.

 

[CoolJ]

So what's the leverage he has? To my knowledge neither the DA's office nor the courts control prison operations and prison rules. The prison wouldn't care about the letter.

And, more importantly, DID he obtain anything special as a result? He 'snitched' 6 months ago in 2016. What has he gotten in exchange? Certainly someone would know this and disclose if such a thing did occur.

ummm the leverage he has is the information he claims to have heard.

Pretty sure the AAG has pull within the prison system. And I have no idea what he has or has not received in exchange or if has received anything yet. That is not the point. You said you were not sure what deals he could strike and i kindly explained that for you. Do you really not believe that these types of deals can occur?

 

[Madeleine74]

ummm the leverage he has is the information he claims to have heard.

Pretty sure the AAG has pull within the prison system. And I have no idea what he has or has not received in exchange or if has received anything yet. That is not the point. You said you were not sure what deals he could strike and i kindly explained that for you. Do you really not believe that these types of deals can occur?

Can you please provide a source for that "pull within the prison system that the AAG has"?

If this alleged conversation and confession by SA to JE occurring in 2010 isn't going to be (or can't be) used by the state then (IMO) JE doesn't really have any leverage. IMO leverage would come from the usefulness and veracity of the information and the ability for the state to use that information as evidence to help convict.

Since appeals are based on the trial record and judicial rulings that might be considered reversible errors, and since this alleged confession was obtained 5 years after the murder and 3 years after SA's conviction, it might be an interesting but otherwise useless disclosure.

 

[CoolJ]

Can you please provide a source for that "pull within the prison system that the AAG has"?

If this alleged conversation and confession by SA to JE occurring in 2010 isn't going to be (or can't be) used by the state then (IMO) JE doesn't really have any leverage. IMO leverage would come from the usefulness and veracity of the information and the ability for the state to use that information as evidence to help convict.

Since appeals are based on the trial record and judicial rulings that might be considered reversible errors, and since this alleged confession was obtained 5 years after the murder and 3 years after SA's conviction, it might be an interesting but otherwise useless disclosure.

No i don't have a source. I am using my common sense that the AG's office and the prosecuting attorney have that type of power.

I think what you are missing here is that the "usefulness and veracity" of the information being used to help convict may not be the motivation. Although I suppose it could be used if a new trial were granted.
IMO the motivation is to protect reputations and to save face and to keep the steady stream of disinfo flowing to the public.

 

[CoolJ]

Another interesting thing to note is that the handwritten portion of the letter does not specify or even allude to what was confessed. All he says is he wants to help BD. What follows afterwards (in the typed portion) really could have gone either way.

Does anyone have a reasonable explanation for why this letter was divided into written and typed parts? The different signature to each part really baffles me as well.

 

[CoolJ]

Exactly. How many times have any of us had a conversation with someone and been able to recall specific details of the whole conversation - much less 9 pages of details. It just smells from page one to page nine. I don't believe any of it for a second. It reads more like a CYA statement than anything else.


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BBM

6 years later mind you!!

Here is a little experiment for everyone. Think back to a conversation you may have had with someone around 2010-11. Now look at Evans letter and the vivid detail. Can you write 9 pages in vivid detail of the story you were told back then?

The detail is meant to make the story more believable, but it has the opposite effect on those of us who actually pay attention to detail. They shot themselves in the foot with this one. It backfired. Now lets wait and compare to the Kratz fairy tale book set to be released.

Going to reddit now to see what the sockpuppets are saying!

 

[Limaes]

Interesting question. I'm not sure this letter can come in since everything's been submitted in briefs to the court already and (AFAICT) JE's letter is not a part of the submissions. Further, I'm not sure this letter would help BD even if it could come in.

IIRC no, it is not part of the submissions and for good reason LOL. Neither the State or BD's attorneys are acknowledging it, not that I have seen anyway.

The letter is full of inaccuracies and the concern for Teresa's family does not sound sincere. The timing of the publication leading up to the arguments in BD's case is suspicious. At the end of the day, it will be as successful as the campaign to release BD via online petitions. JMO

 

[Madeleine74]

Just read the whole 9 pages. The cover page is hand written and is like a letter ("To Whom It May Concern").

There are things in there that sound like things Avery would say. And some details sound mixed up, particularly where they took the SUV with her body in it (Brendan had said the intent was to throw her in the nearby pond but Avery scrapped that idea and decided on the burn pit).

It wasn't 9 pages of crime detail, as a good 2 pages or more are this inmate talking about how they met, how he got moved to the same prison and when, his own crimes and case, just some background stuff about their friendship, along with when he and Avery would talk, where, why he thought they got along, things like that. The details of what he claims he was told are contained on the next few pages. He spent another page talking about how their conversations ended and why, which made sense (Netflix series being put together) and he talked a bit about why he decided to say something.

There is a ring of truth to it. There are some specific things that would be interesting to find out: was TH wearing 2 rings that day? Was she wearing a necklace? (Avery supposedly took those items and discarded them).

I don't think this letter is going to do anything for the state and unless Avery's case gets overturned and then he's tried again, I don't see how the state could possibly introduce this letter. As for Brendan, he has his best chance with no mention of any letter. IMO this letter won't ever come into BD's case.

 

[proudfootz]

If nothing else, the headlines will reinforce notions that Steven and Brendan are guilty of crimes against Teresa.

It will be interesting to see how well this story comports with Ken Kratz's upcoming book ($26.95 on Amazon!).