Jason Young to get new trial #2

[JusticeFever]

Hey, want to check something out? Look at the crime scene photos and see the things that were moved while taking photographs in the home during the investigation. In one picture, remotes were moved on the coffee table, in another, a red shirt from a laundry basket was taken out and thrown on top of the basket, and look at the clock for the different times. Then there is a photo of Michelle's closet and there isn't anything on the floor and then later there is stuff (clothes?) on the floor.
Then in the same closet, MY's, nothing is on the doorknob, but later, there are some clothes on hangers hanging on the doorknob. And, then look at the bottle of the Adult Tylenol Blast, it was barely used and next to it is a brand new bottle of CVS hot liquid steam, was CY sick? And, next to that is a tiny little prescription bottle, that could be ear drops. On the shelf below that, is children's vitamins. So,it looks like they kept medicine in her room. And, then of course, there are the shoes in M&J's bed that belonged to CY.

Anyway, here is the link and you can see all the photos(49) and compare them to see the things that were touched and moved around during that investigation. Viewer Discretion is advised.
http://www.wral.com/specialreports/michelleyoung/image_gallery/9727548/

 

[JusticeFever]

Regarding Jason's decision to go to Brevard, after his appointment in Clintwood, he would have had to travel south to get to I-40 anyhow so it really was not out of the way for him to go to Brevard.

Also, the NC State football game on Saturday was at 7PM so plenty of time to get back to Raleigh in time to tailgate and visit with friends.

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Thanks for the map!
Yes, you are correct, that was the Georgia Tech game 7:00 PM (NC state lost 31-23)

 

[JusticeFever]

It was LE's theory, I posted the link to the search warrant many times with the reasoning behind it. They thought due to the clean condition of the child that she had been removed from the home.

I forgot to add that they thought she had been removed from the home in Michelle's car!
and issued their search warrant for her Lexus based on that theory.

 

[JusticeFever]

The shoe was on her foot at some point. The shoe was found in the master bed. There was no visible blood on her so it is possible that she had the shoe on before she was cleaned up - whether she was removed from the house or not. It's worthy of discussion.

Exactly, and I don't think the idea of her being removed from the home is that out there.
Let's say, she did witness the murder (which I don't think) but if she did, a good way to calm her down would be to take her out for awhile, for a ride, and her car seat was in MY's Lexus. This was LE's theory, one of many to try and reconstruct the hours that CY spent alone. Maybe CY was told to grab her shoes and let's go, and in her hurry and confusion, she grabbed 2 different ones. Where are the mates? I have been trying to find this one item, but I believe either in a search warrant or a inventory list from the storage unit there was mention of a child's flip flop or flip flops. Now, it makes sense.
If you believe the state's theory that MY was killed between 3-4 am, and CY was left alone, then you have to believe she was left alone for 10 and a half hours!

 

[dgfred]

Sadly, you are wrong about this.

Here is the video to which I refer:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6wXkI4t7nuc

It is long, the first half is a defense attorney on why you should never talk to police, and the second half is a police officer on how they can use your words against you, explaining why you should never talk to police. They can do a lot to you even though you did nothing.

Sadly, you are taking the worse case scenario and applying it to all cases.

They can twist my words all they want (proving murder is another matter) but I would CERTAINLY want to find out what exactly had happened to my wife and HELP find the person(s) that committed the crime. Are you really going to ask/say nothing because the police may twist your innocent words of concern into making you the murderer? Really?

If your spouse is murdered I hope they don't have to wait for you to get council before you start helping them find the killer.

In court do you think a juror would take more value from your trying to help LE... or from police twisting what you actually said???

I would not be worried about myself at all!!! 'If' I was innocent. I don't see this as anything near the case here.

 

[dgfred]

Actually, he also had a second appointment at Transylvania Regional Hospital which was about 5 miles from his mom's house.

No one is suggesting that he was planning to miss tailgating. Edited to add: It was a 7PM game.
2006 Georgia Tech Yellow Jackets football team - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

What time were the appointments and how long would that make the trip back?

Was he just going to show up in the parking lot to party... with his friends coming from out of town to hang with him/them? You have to admit that what he did had to at least be a spur of the moment decision.

 

[citygirl]

Actually, he also had a second appointment at Transylvania Regional Hospital which was about 5 miles from his mom's house.

No one is suggesting that he was planning to miss tailgating. Edited to add: It was a 7PM game.
2006 Georgia Tech Yellow Jackets football team - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Are you certain about that appointment? To the best of my memory he dropped in unannounced.

 

[otto]

I don't think that the child was ever taken out of the house. The dog was definitely going nuts when Meredith arrived and ran outside to do his business. Two year olds can remove their own diaper. They can put on their pyjama pants with a little bit of effort and time. They do have fantastic imaginations.

I took a 2.5 year old child for a walk to the park not too long ago. As we were walking across the park, he stopped and started gesturing giving/receiving some imaginary things with his hands. As he did this, he said "ticket, ticket, ticket". I asked him what he was doing, and he told me in complete sentences that he was taking tickets. An adult might think this means that he recently experienced a situation where tickets were collected. I suspect that he had been watching Thomas the Train and was living, in part, in his imaginary world. Anything said by the Michelle's daughter after the murder could just as easily be based on imagination - which is why the actions and words of a two year old should not be presented in a courtroom during a murder trial.

I also believe that dried blood on the bottoms of feet would come off on the carpet as the child moved around the house and moved her feet in her parent's bed (there was blood on the sheets).

 

[otto]

Sadly, you are taking the worse case scenario and applying it to all cases.

They can twist my words all they want (proving murder is another matter) but I would CERTAINLY want to find out what exactly had happened to my wife and HELP find the person(s) that committed the crime. Are you really going to ask/say nothing because the police may twist your innocent words of concern into making you the murderer? Really?

If your spouse is murdered I hope they don't have to wait for you to get council before you start helping them find the killer.

In court do you think a juror would take more value from your trying to help LE... or from police twisting what you actually said???

I would not be worried about myself at all!!! 'If' I was innocent. I don't see this as anything near the case here.

Word twisting happens really easily when one party has an agenda. I'm dealing with some renovation people right now and it's shocking how easy it is to have a misunderstanding that results in word twisting. Police and prosecutors are experts at word twisting, and I personally would not want to be at the losing end of a conversation with them where they had an agenda.

On the other hand, if someone has nothing to hide, there should be no reason to refuse the interview. However, given the documented questionable practices between prosecution, investigators and the forensics lab in NC, would it be a good idea to let those professionals manipulate information in a murder investigation?

 

[JusticeFever]

I don't think that the child was ever taken out of the house. The dog was definitely going nuts when Meredith arrived and ran outside to do his business. Two year olds can remove their own diaper. They can put on their pyjama pants with a little bit of effort and time. They do have fantastic imaginations.

I took a 2.5 year old child for a walk to the park not too long ago. As we were walking across the park, he stopped and started gesturing giving/receiving some imaginary things with his hands. As he did this, he said "ticket, ticket, ticket". I asked him what he was doing, and he told me in complete sentences that he was taking tickets. An adult might think this means that he recently experienced a situation where tickets were collected. I suspect that he had been watching Thomas the Train and was living, in part, in his imaginary world. Anything said by the Michelle's daughter after the murder could just as easily be based on imagination - which is why the actions and words of a two year old should not be presented in a courtroom during a murder trial.

I also believe that dried blood on the bottoms of feet would come off on the carpet as the child moved around the house and moved her feet in her parent's bed (there was blood on the sheets).

It was a theory the state raised about CY and then presented another one that she was drugged...but, now that I am looking at the other medicines on the shelf, it appears they belonged there or at least that is where they were kept, and someone did not just bring them into her room at that time with the sole intention to drug her. It is things like this that need to be looked at more objectively, imo. Not everything points to something Jason may have done..

 

[MyBelle]

Sadly, you are taking the worse case scenario and applying it to all cases.

They can twist my words all they want (proving murder is another matter) but I would CERTAINLY want to find out what exactly had happened to my wife and HELP find the person(s) that committed the crime. Are you really going to ask/say nothing because the police may twist your innocent words of concern into making you the murderer? Really?

If your spouse is murdered I hope they don't have to wait for you to get council before you start helping them find the killer.

In court do you think a juror would take more value from your trying to help LE... or from police twisting what you actually said???

I would not be worried about myself at all!!! 'If' I was innocent. I don't see this as anything near the case here.

BBM. Are you kidding? No jury can hold his silence with police against a defendant. I'm not sure where the myth came from that an innocent person can "help" solve a murder just by talking to police. Ryan Ferguson spent years behind bars and he spoke to police at length. He's totally innocent.

JMO

 

[otto]

It was a theory the state raised about CY and then presented another one that she was drugged...but, now that I am looking at the other medicines on the shelf, it appears they belonged there or at least that is where they were kept, and someone did not just bring them into her room at that time with the sole intention to drug her. It is things like this that need to be looked at more objectively, imo. Not everything points to something Jason may have done..

That absolutely true. There is medicine in the child's room. There is evidence that the child received that medicine at some time prior to the murder. Beyond that, it is meaningless. The child was not groggy and did not appear to be suffering any sort of medicine overdose when she was found. Clearly a good prosecutor would not even pursue the question of whether medicine could be connected to one of the occupants of the house because there is nothing suspicious about it.

 

[otto]

BBM. Are you kidding? No jury can hold his silence with police against a defendant. I'm not sure where the myth came from that an innocent person can "help" solve a murder just by talking to police. Ryan Ferguson spent years behind bars and he spoke to police at length. He's totally innocent.

JMO

I think it's a funny idea that the general public thinks that they can help police do their jobs. Police deliberately withhold crucial information because it can reveal the person(s) that knows too much about a criminal act. The general public can provide information if they believe they witnessed or heard something, but they don't help solve crimes (perhaps it's simply semantics).

Jason could tell police what, in the house, was different or moved, but Meredith had already provided that information. Furthermore, police were interested in pinning Jason down to a story, not in his assessment of the house and what was different. The first thing investigators do is interview everyone associated with the crime scene and get their story. From there, they look at ways to confirm, or poke holes in, that story. After police got Jason's story at the first trial, the second trial was about finding ways to poke holes in that story. That's the only reason that they wanted to speak with him.

 

[sunshine05]

Are you certain about that appointment? To the best of my memory he dropped in unannounced.

Yes, I believe it was a cold call but what's wrong with that? It was convenient to his mom's home.

 

[oenophile]

Sadly, you are taking the worse case scenario and applying it to all cases.

They can twist my words all they want (proving murder is another matter) but I would CERTAINLY want to find out what exactly had happened to my wife and HELP find the person(s) that committed the crime. Are you really going to ask/say nothing because the police may twist your innocent words of concern into making you the murderer? Really?

If your spouse is murdered I hope they don't have to wait for you to get council before you start helping them find the killer.

In court do you think a juror would take more value from your trying to help LE... or from police twisting what you actually said???

I would not be worried about myself at all!!! 'If' I was innocent. I don't see this as anything near the case here.

Police WILL suspect a husband of murder. It isn't the worse case scenario, it is more typical than you may think. If I am being investigated for murder, I will help via attorneys.

Normally, I would agree with your statement that "proving murder is another matter", however in this case, they still got a conviction on the flimsiest of evidence, and people here are ready to tar and feather the man when the evidence doesn't support his guilt. So I would argue that "proving murder", even for someone that is innocent, is actually much easier than you suggest.

There is already a clear example of Brad Cooper, someone who cooperated with police, and yet the exact scenarios that were presented in the video were used with him. Police magically remembered things later and added them to their notes that were not in their original notes. They twisted his words to use them against him. Etc. etc. He has been accused of murder, even tried in an unfair trial, with evidence that actually pointed away from him.

So, if you were innocent, rest assured that you can still be accused of the crime that you are innocent of, and it happens all too often. That is one reason why the U.S. Constitution protects against self incrimination.

 

[JusticeFever]

Yes, I believe it was a cold call but what's wrong with that? It was convenient to his mom's home.

MM stated in her testimony that during their phonecall JY was disappointed he did not get the account at Dickinson Hospital and I think he wanted to at least try and get another account.

 

[oenophile]

Thank you for posting this. I didn't really look at the route he took before, etc, but after looking at this, I'm 99% percent confident in his innocence.

This is NOT an easy drive. I've driven it before (lived in Raleigh, family in Bristol). And the fact is that you either take the Northern or Southern route to stay sane. The Northern route is faster, but it makes just as much sense to go to the South if you have a reason to, such as swinging by family. His trip to Brevard is absolutely rational, nothing even remotely out of the ordinary. And to drive from Hillsville to Raleigh and back, without sleep, then drive all day the next day seems nearly out of the realm of possibilities.

I seriously cannot fathom how people believe (with such vehemence and vitriol) that he committed this crime.

 

[Salem]

Actually, he also had a second appointment at Transylvania Regional Hospital which was about 5 miles from his mom's house.

No one is suggesting that he was planning to miss tailgating. Edited to add: It was a 7PM game.
2006 Georgia Tech Yellow Jackets football team - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Do you have a link for this, please?

Thank you,

Salem

 

[citygirl]

Yes, I believe it was a cold call but what's wrong with that? It was convenient to his mom's home.

What's wrong with it is that you said he had an appointment. It was in response to another poster pointing out that the trip to Brevard was out of his way. He had NO appointment close to home. None.

 

[citygirl]

Even when Jason did speak right at the beginning , for instance with Heather, his words were taken out of context.

In what way? According to whom?