Jason Young to get new trial #2

[otto]

This is a deadly serious case. This man murdered his pregnant wife in the presence of his 2 year old. That post cracked me up. The thought that he would be worried about what his wife thinks is laughable to me. Still is. MOO.

A woman was murdered in her home. A two year old child that was sleeping in a room at the end of the hallway came across the murder at some point and tracked blood to the bathroom. There is no evidence that identifies the suspect as male or female. If we accept the child's play as significant, then we have to accept that the two year old child selected a female doll as the attacker.

 

[citygirl]

A woman was murdered in her home. A two year old child that was sleeping in a room at the end of the hallway came across the murder at some point and tracked blood to the bathroom. There is no evidence that identifies the suspect as male or female. If we accept the child's play as significant, then we have to accept that the two year old child selected a female doll as the attacker.

Right. If you say so. I disagree.

 

[otto]

The meeting that he was late for? How do you know it was prearranged weeks in advance?

BBM

Wait a minute. Is the implication that the meeting in Clintwood (is that where his pre-arranged meeting was?) was a cold call, or are we asking someone to find the link proving that Jason was expected at a pre-arranged meeting on the morning after the murder?

 

[otto]

I don't believe his boss had any inkling about that meeting?

Why? Was there testimony that no one knew that Jason had scheduled appointments as part of his job description?

 

[otto]

Right. If you say so. I disagree.

What evidence is there that the perpetrator is male or female? What evidence is there that the child was awake during the murder? What evidence is there that a two year old cannot remove a diaper? What evidence is there that a two year old cannot put on her pyjama pants? Given that the two year old selected a dress shoe and a flip flop to wear as a pair of shoes, I would think that the child made this decision.

 

[JusticeFever]

Why? Was there testimony that no one knew that Jason had scheduled appointments as part of his job description?

Jason's meeting was arranged by Chart One weeks in advance. All anyone has to do is listen to the testimony of Jennifer Sproles, the medical records director at Dickinson Hospital in Clintwood, Va..

Good to see you, Otto!

 

[SStarr33]

Does anyone know how the state rebutted the gas/mileage evidence?

 

[SteelerGirl43]

Nothing about this case cracks me up. Not sure if he was excited , just that he wanted to start bringing some items from his parents house to his home in Raleigh. And, if you expect me to answer any more of your posts in the future, you can stop with the insults and discuss the case like adults.

I agree.. Theres nothing funny about this at all... A woman is dead, a man is in prison and people have lost loved ones....

 

[MyBelle]

I think it is perfectly reasonable to believe that no one cleaned her up, and that the limited blood on her feet did indeed rub off.

I find it difficult to believe that either a) anyone took her from the residence; or b) anyone cleaned her up. If someone had indeed cleaned her up (AFTER allowing her to roam free and track blood in the bathroom), then they would have risked her saying something.

The problem I have is with the blood that should have been on CY's hands and fingers. No way will I believe that she was alone with her mother's bloody, unresponsive body and yet she didn't touch her. If CY removed her bloody socks, her hands would have become bloody. She would have touched walls, the sink, the sheets, but at a minimum her own clothes. Her little feet would have tracked the blood beyond the bedroom and down the hall to the bathroom.

JMO

 

[otto]

The problem I have is with the blood that should have been on CY's hands and fingers. No way will I believe that she was alone with her mother's bloody, unresponsive body and yet she didn't touch her. If CY removed her bloody socks, her hands would have become bloody. She would have touched walls, the sink, the sheets, but at a minimum her own clothes. Her little feet would have tracked the blood beyond the bedroom and down the hall to the bathroom.

JMO

If anyone has had a cut that bled, they know that if they don't wash off the blood right away, it dries up and falls away. Did the child did leave blood evidence in the bathroom? The bathroom is the area that had to be revisited by investigators many months after the murder because of problems with understanding dimensions of blood smears. Do the blood smears relate to the child, or is there monkey business with the dimensions of the blood smears on the door? ... related to the second set of crime scene data collection months too late.

There appears to be little evidence of blood on the child's feet after she was in the bathroom, but unless there was a child lock on the interior of the bathroom door, I don't think there can be a leap to the belief that the child was stuck in the bathroom, taken out of the home, or washed. She was in the bathroom. That much we know. It appears that she removed her diaper. Two year olds do that in the morning. At some point, the child went to her bedroom and put on two mismatched shoes (an adult in the midst of committing murder wouldn't relax enough and let that happen ... I believe). The dog was going nuts to get out of the house and go to the bathroom when Meredith arrived, so clearly the dog had not been let out since the night before the murder ... or what ... the dog went out to pee at 5 in the morning, returned to the house with a dead body, and then went nuts? I don't think so.

 

[otto]

The problem I have is with the blood that should have been on CY's hands and fingers. No way will I believe that she was alone with her mother's bloody, unresponsive body and yet she didn't touch her. If CY removed her bloody socks, her hands would have become bloody. She would have touched walls, the sink, the sheets, but at a minimum her own clothes. Her little feet would have tracked the blood beyond the bedroom and down the hall to the bathroom.

JMO

If she was learning how to brush her teeth, she was learning how to step on the stool in front of the sink in the bathroom and turn on the tap. I do not believe that this child was removed from the house. I believe that her mother, who was pregnant but who did not appear to be pregnant, was murdered while she slept in her room. I believe that she woke up, went to her parents bedroom, discovered her mother's body, got her doll and brought it to her mother (no bloody footprints on the carpet???), went to the bathroom to get bandaids for her mother, failed in the bedroom, went back to the bathroom, knew her mother was unresponsive, played in the water, accidentally closed the door, put her wet feet on the interior of the door, figured out how to open the door, went to her bedroom, put on two mismatched shoes to go out and get help, went back into her parent's bed, she wiped her feet on the sheets, she fell asleep. Meredith arrived.

 

[oenophile]

And the possibility still exists that her own father could have disposed of wet towels, bloody towels etc. More likely, IMO. I highly doubt that MY's only sister had anything to do with this. In fact, I know she didn't.

I don't believe she had anything to do with this either. But specifically, how do you "know"? Is there some evidence that hasn't been shared?

 

[oenophile]

If she was learning how to brush her teeth, she was learning how to step on the stool in front of the sink in the bathroom and turn on the tap. I do not believe that this child was removed from the house. I believe that her mother, who was pregnant but who did not appear to be pregnant, was murdered while she slept in her room. I believe that she woke up, went to her parents bedroom, discovered her mother's body, got her doll and brought it to her mother (no bloody footprints on the carpet???), went to the bathroom to get bandaids for her mother, failed in the bedroom, went back to the bathroom, knew her mother was unresponsive, played in the water, accidentally closed the door, put her wet feet on the interior of the door, figured out how to open the door, went to her bedroom, put on two mismatched shoes to go out and get help, went back into her parent's bed, she wiped her feet on the sheets, she fell asleep. Meredith arrived.

Thanks. It probably didn't happen exactly like that, but it is a reasonable sequence of events. More reasonable than someone allowing her to track bloody footprints on the floor then cleaning her or removing her after.

 

[MyBelle]

If anyone has had a cut that bled, they know that if they don't wash off the blood right away, it dries up and falls away. Did the child did leave blood evidence in the bathroom? The bathroom is the area that had to be revisited by investigators many months after the murder because of problems with understanding dimensions of blood smears. Do the blood smears relate to the child, or is there monkey business with the dimensions of the blood smears on the door? ... related to the second set of crime scene data collection months too late.

There appears to be little evidence of blood on the child's feet after she was in the bathroom, but unless there was a child lock on the interior of the bathroom door, I don't think there can be a leap to the belief that the child was stuck in the bathroom, taken out of the home, or washed. She was in the bathroom. That much we know. It appears that she removed her diaper. Two year olds do that in the morning. At some point, the child went to her bedroom and put on two mismatched shoes (an adult in the midst of committing murder wouldn't relax enough and let that happen ... I believe). The dog was going nuts to get out of the house and go to the bathroom when Meredith arrived, so clearly the dog had not been let out since the night before the murder ... or what ... the dog went out to pee at 5 in the morning, returned to the house with a dead body, and then went nuts? I don't think so.

I don't believe the child was "stuck" anywhere in the house. I also don't believe she was ever alone with her mother's body. My point was that she showed no evidence she had been alone with a bloody body, carpet, crime scene for ten hours.

Whether she was removed or not, I don't know because even if she was removed, she was there when first responders arrived. As for the diaper, she may have removed it but I doubt she would have put back on her pj pants herself.

iirc, Meredith was vague in her testimony about the dog, where he was located, etc.

JMO

 

[MyBelle]

If anyone has had a cut that bled, they know that if they don't wash off the blood right away, it dries up and falls away. Did the child did leave blood evidence in the bathroom? The bathroom is the area that had to be revisited by investigators many months after the murder because of problems with understanding dimensions of blood smears. Do the blood smears relate to the child, or is there monkey business with the dimensions of the blood smears on the door? ... related to the second set of crime scene data collection months too late.

There appears to be little evidence of blood on the child's feet after she was in the bathroom, but unless there was a child lock on the interior of the bathroom door, I don't think there can be a leap to the belief that the child was stuck in the bathroom, taken out of the home, or washed. She was in the bathroom. That much we know. It appears that she removed her diaper. Two year olds do that in the morning. At some point, the child went to her bedroom and put on two mismatched shoes (an adult in the midst of committing murder wouldn't relax enough and let that happen ... I believe). The dog was going nuts to get out of the house and go to the bathroom when Meredith arrived, so clearly the dog had not been let out since the night before the murder ... or what ... the dog went out to pee at 5 in the morning, returned to the house with a dead body, and then went nuts? I don't think so.

If blood dries on my skin, it doesn't "fall off" but stays there. I just don't see her being locked anywhere because that would have upset her and she sure didn't sound upset in the background of the 9-1-1 call.

 

[MyBelle]

I don't believe she had anything to do with this either. But specifically, how do you "know"? Is there some evidence that hasn't been shared?

I don't believe Jason was involved based on the evidence, the timeline, and the many unanswered questions about the child being in the residence for so long. I've always believed investigators should follow the evidence and explore where it leads and to whom it leads. They owe that to Michelle and to her daughter.

JMO

 

[SStarr33]

If anyone has had a cut that bled, they know that if they don't wash off the blood right away, it dries up and falls away. Did the child did leave blood evidence in the bathroom? The bathroom is the area that had to be revisited by investigators many months after the murder because of problems with understanding dimensions of blood smears. Do the blood smears relate to the child, or is there monkey business with the dimensions of the blood smears on the door? ... related to the second set of crime scene data collection months too late.

There appears to be little evidence of blood on the child's feet after she was in the bathroom, but unless there was a child lock on the interior of the bathroom door, I don't think there can be a leap to the belief that the child was stuck in the bathroom, taken out of the home, or washed. She was in the bathroom. That much we know. It appears that she removed her diaper. Two year olds do that in the morning. At some point, the child went to her bedroom and put on two mismatched shoes (an adult in the midst of committing murder wouldn't relax enough and let that happen ... I believe). The dog was going nuts to get out of the house and go to the bathroom when Meredith arrived, so clearly the dog had not been let out since the night before the murder ... or what ... the dog went out to pee at 5 in the morning, returned to the house with a dead body, and then went nuts? I don't think so.

Anyone who has cut their hand or foot and let the blood dry knows that it takes scrubbing to remove it from the cuticle area and underneath the nail.

 

[JusticeFever]

Back to Jennifer Sproles and Jason's meeting:
The whole testimony is less than 10 minutes. 9:20 to be exact

http://www.wral.com/specialreports/michelleyoung/video/9733931/

State:
Employment,,,,retired in April 2010
Occupation,,,,,,Medical Records Director
Place: Dickinson Hospital in Clintwood Va.
Meeting: Nov, 4th, 2006 with Jason Young time set for 10:00. Arrived at 10:30-10:35
How contacted: A Sales Rep from Chart 1 called approx 2 weeks in advance
Product: Chart Locator for Patients
Jason's Appearance: Dressed Professionally
Behavior: A little nervous, slight shaking or trembling of leg
Chalked it up to being nervous trying to sell product
Did not purchase product or service
Talked about Neighboring towns
Jason asked for directions, Asheville
State asked her how far Duffield Va was Clintwood Va. (45-60 minutes)
(Jason later made a gas stop there)
Jennifer was contacted by LE
States that meeting was set up 2-3 weeks in advance
Defense:
Jason told her he tried to call to tell her he was late because he got lost and cell phone service was down.
She testified that was true.
.

 

[sunshine05]

If she was learning how to brush her teeth, she was learning how to step on the stool in front of the sink in the bathroom and turn on the tap. I do not believe that this child was removed from the house. I believe that her mother, who was pregnant but who did not appear to be pregnant, was murdered while she slept in her room. I believe that she woke up, went to her parents bedroom, discovered her mother's body, got her doll and brought it to her mother (no bloody footprints on the carpet???), went to the bathroom to get bandaids for her mother, failed in the bedroom, went back to the bathroom, knew her mother was unresponsive, played in the water, accidentally closed the door, put her wet feet on the interior of the door, figured out how to open the door, went to her bedroom, put on two mismatched shoes to go out and get help, went back into her parent's bed, she wiped her feet on the sheets, she fell asleep. Meredith arrived.

It's possible she wasn't removed but then there should have been blood in the drains or wet/bloody towels in the bathroom. Someone cleaned her. Not buying at all that her totally red feet would have just wore off on their own. No blood was found on the side of the bed where she was found. Another odd thing is that at age 2, my kids weren't able to climb up on the master bed. I wonder if she was even able to do that on her own.

Also, your scenario has her walking around with bloody feet but there is no trail of her footprints in the hall, not one of her footprints in the carpeting except for some in the master BR closet.

Re: the dog - What do you think about the dog allegedly being in the house for what would have been 14+ hours and no waste is in the house and no bloody footprints. I don't believe the dog was in the house due to the lack of any evidence of that and the fact that MF didn't put him in the fenced backyard when she allegedly walked outside with him. She just left him loose apparently until a neighbor got him and none of the responders ever reported seeing him. It's just very odd. This is the family dog and he is just completely neglected by her. Why? (Because he was set loose before the murder, imo).

Re: the diaper -- Shelly Schaad testified that while she was there C. was still up after being put to bed and that she had removed her diaper. This apparently was common for her to do that. No one is arguing that. There is however testimony that she was not able to and was never known to have woken up, removed the diaper and then dressed. She would wait for her mother to dress her. Additionally, where is the diaper she would have removed? It should have been on the floor in her room or somewhere upstairs on the floor.

The thing about the diaper --- that she was allegedly found wearing no diaper, only pj pants --- I don't believe there is anything but MF's word that she was not wearing a diaper. No one checked so we really don't know if someone had put a clean diaper on her or underwear or what. I wonder about that.

Re: the pajamas were clean --- no visible blood. How is that possible with blood up and down the walls and all over the floor that not a drop got on her clothing? They were either washed or she was dressed in clean ones, bloody ones disposed of.

 

[dgfred]

I don't believe Jason was involved based on the evidence, the timeline, and the many unanswered questions about the child being in the residence for so long. I've always believed investigators should follow the evidence and explore where it leads and to whom it leads. They owe that to Michelle and to her daughter.

JMO

Follow what exactly and explore where?

The evidence... however circumstancial you think it is did lead to a conviction. IMO the jurors did just what you said investigators should have done.