Jason Young to get new trial #2

[JusticeFever]

Then we have to figure out how she was cleaned up because no blood was found in that bathroom's drains. Some suggest JY cleaned her with baby wipes but why would he do that? Wouldn't one clean her right there in that bathroom logically?

I wonder if they missed the blood. I don't know how accurate the test is.

I agree, there is something off about the photos, its almost like she was lifted up and then put back down and just going over the same prints a bunch of times, but why?

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[Landonsmom02]

You do understand that it is his office, his staff and that he is in charge and he is the one who had to make the offical formal apology.

I understand all your bolding, but the way it was posted made it sound like it was him and him only. Very misleading. Of course he made the formal apology, you think a staff member is going to do that? Who usual makes statements to the media? Unless you have a PR firm, that is his job. Think about it. For example, at my work, if a mistake is made or a patient is upset who usually smoothes it over? Not the staff but the Supervisor and/or Manager.

 

[sunshine05]

How did she know what she witnessed was traumatic? All she knew was that mommy got a spanking and had boo boos. At 2 her mind couldn't process what she saw. I don't think she witnessed the murder but rather came in the room as JY was cleaning up. I think the violent attack woke her up. She stepped in MY blood and when JY found her he placed her in the bathroom, door closed while he finished then he cleaned her up, gave her meds and put her back in bed. She slept then woke up and mommy wouldn't wake up. Her doll was even found beside MY He probaly told her to not wake mommy and stay out of the mess. There was blood on MY side of the bed so she crawled on daddy's side. Evidence shows that she was in that bathroom. There is blood on the wall and on the door. That wasn't staged. Again, IF she was taken from the home it would have come out, especially if it pointed away from JY. IMO

We really don't know. The "Mommy got a spanking for biting...." was the daycare play and again it also involved farm animals and two female dolls so I don't think we can draw any conclusions from that.

The prints look very staged to me. They are all equal in darkness and the orientation and the fact that there are several toe only prints. Do you really think one could make that many prints over and over without being dipped back in the blood multiple times? I thought it was interesting that MF made it a point to mention them in the 911 call as well as that is another red flag - people point out things related to the crime.

The prints had no effect on helping MY so it wasn't important for her to inform the 911 operator that her niece had stepped in the blood yet for some reason she felt she needed to mention that.

If CY woke up as you suggest and then went back to her mother's side, how was she found with no blood on her? And where was Mr. G all this time?

 

[JusticeFever]

I listened to the testimony here:
http://www.wral.com/specialreports/michelleyoung/video/9728085/

at the 7:10 mark is the discussion about the SBI agent telling her to break off contact or that he would come after her.

I find this really disgusting. Once the police came to their conclusion, which was almost immediately, it seemed that they would stop at nothing to make JY's life a living hell and isolate him from everyone else, regardless of his guilty or innocence. This is corruption at its finest.

MM said they accused of her being involved, searched her house, and that the SBI agent got rough with her, not physically, but told her he would take her down.

 

[sunshine05]

I agree, there is something off about the photos, its almost like she was lifted up and then put back down and just going over the same prints a bunch of times, but why?

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I thought about this for a long time. Why would someone do this? This is what I think --- someone felt a need to make it look like CY was alone for many hours. Why would someone want to do that? Because she wasn't really alone at all. If MF went to the house to pick up those papers and she "finds" C, there better be indications that she was left alone or suspicion would be on her.

What never quite worked though is the fact that CY was found with pajamas still on but no diaper and she didn't dress herself and also MF changed her clothing in Target and gave police the pink pajamas but police later realized that the pink long sleeve undershirt was missing - they knew per Shelly Schaad that she had been wearing the t-shirt when MY dressed her. So then MF said she had the t-shirt and that she had kept it on her at Target and then she later washed it. That continues to bother me. She should have given police ALL of the clothing.

One more thought - I don't think we really know if CY was wearing a diaper when she was found because no one checked or verified this so it is just MF's word. What if CY had on a clean diaper when she was "found"? That would be an indication that she was cared for all night/until 1:30PM.

 

[JusticeFever]

Something interesting in Dr. Thomas Clark's testimony from the trial..

http://www.wral.com/specialreports/michelleyoung/video/9703227/

Injuries to mouth and lips could come from a fist. Someone should have had bruised knuckles.
Nothing in his findings could determine the individual who caused the injuries.

 

[sunshine05]

MM said they accused of her being involved, searched her house, and that the SBI agent got rough with her, not physically, but told her he would take her down.

They harassed Cindy Beaver too because her story didn't work for them.

 

[sunshine05]

Something interesting in Dr. Thomas Clark's testimony from the trial..

http://www.wral.com/specialreports/michelleyoung/video/9703227/

Injuries to mouth and lips could come from a fist. Someone should have had bruised knuckles.
Nothing in his findings could determine the individual who caused the injuries.

Yes, but it's still vague enough that she could have been hit with an object.... "could have" used a fist. I believe the killer(s) would have had bruises and scratches though.

This was such a horrible thing and one thing we all can agree on here is that we all want justice for Michelle. Many of us believe the crime remains unsolved and that means the killer(s) are free to harm others.

 

[JusticeFever]

Because it sounded like she was threatened by LE to stop talking to him and that was wrong. It doesn't matter if they suspect her or not, they're not allowed to threaten people to keep them from talking to people.

The quote feature was messing up, not sure why!! I think its okay now.
Yes, they did threaten MM and she explains what it was like, hours and hours of questioning, home searched, and the threat of being named an accessory,

 

[sunshine05]

It was a partial print. Isn't it possible that his glove moved and it was just part of his palm?

Also something that tends to get overlooked is the spot of blood on the doorknob leading to the garage. Somehow people try to associate that to MF but isn't it possible that he left that as he was heading out to wash himself off outside?

I don't see how the blood on the doorknob indicates anyone specifically - just that we know it was the murderer. It still bothers me that her car keys were carelessly placed on MY's hood of her Lexus though. I can't think of a scenario for an innocent placing of keys at that location.

 

[sunshine05]

Ummm by reading this article Dr. Clark didn't really do anything wrong. Multiple mistakes were made by the hospital and his staff. Good job though trying to single him out.

The fact is that he is the medical examiner and he was responsible for this horrible mistake. No one is trying to single anyone out but it is interesting to see what those who were involved in the case and investigation are up to now. I imagine if he was still a Wake county ME and this happened here, it would be a pretty big deal. Imagine if the girl had been cremated, and no one ever realized that their loved one wasn't dead or if they found the missing girl they would never know who they cremated. This is something that should never happen. He shouldn't be handling any more cases.

 

[oenophile]

Yes, they did threaten MM and she explains what it was like, hours and hours of questioning, home searched, and the threat of being named an accessory,

The initial hours and hours of questioning is, frankly, normal and expected, as the SBI was doing an investigation. I have no problem with that.

This threat came months later, when things had calmed down and after MM maintained a friendship with JY. It wasn't during the initial stages of the investigation. That is what makes it so disturbing.

 

[oenophile]

JY will never take a deal and plead to anything,IMO! I will be happy to eat crow if he does!

This is the one thing I think we agree on.

 

[JusticeFever]

The initial hours and hours of questioning is, frankly, normal and expected, as the SBI was doing an investigation. I have no problem with that.

This threat came months later, when things had calmed down and after MM maintained a friendship with JY. It wasn't during the initial stages of the investigation. That is what makes it so disturbing.

Oh, I agree and she was the other woman, so they had every reason to question her, but not threaten or intimidate her.

 

[JusticeFever]

The fact is that he is the medical examiner and he was responsible for this horrible mistake. No one is trying to single anyone out but it is interesting to see what those who were involved in the case and investigation are up to now. I imagine if he was still a Wake county ME and this happened here, it would be a pretty big deal. Imagine if the girl had been cremated, and no one ever realized that their loved one wasn't dead or if they found the missing girl they would never know who they cremated. This is something that should never happen. He shouldn't be handling any more cases.

Exactly, and his name was the only one mentioned in the article, not like we made it up.

 

[JusticeFever]

BBM

JY will never take a deal and plead to anything,IMO! I will be happy to eat crow if he does!

Unless you know Jason, there is no way to know this. He will follow the advice of his new attorneys, consult with his family , etc. In the end, I think it's safe to say anyone writing a book, is going to have to wait to add this final chapter.

 

[JusticeFever]

This is the one thing I think we agree on.

Well, it would depend on the deal, wouldn't it? I would think he couldn't turn down something in the range of a 5-7 year deal. JMO

 

[Grammy Jean]

And I'd like to know the psychologist's opinion who was at MF's house that night. MF testified a psychologist was there.

CY did not sound "shut down" on the 911 call. I find it unusual that hours later she would then "shut down" rather than recoil from her father or in some way act out that she didn't want to be near him.

I look forward to hearing from the psychologist next trial.

JMO

From what I recall CY was asleep in bed when JY arrived and he went and got in bed with her. WE have no idea if CY even woke up when he got in the bed. I would think that if that psychologist had any evidence whether beneficial to prosecution or defense we would have heard that at the trial.
I am thinking ahead about CY now and if MF has gotten her into therapy. I would think CY needed it and I would think MF would have seen to that. If anything has surfaced during possible therapy sessions with CY I wonder if it would be allowed if there is a new trial. I am thing of the Martin MacNeill trial. His young daughter found her mom's body and they showed on video sessions with therapist and the little girl.
This is just speculation on my part that CY may have been or even still is seeing a counselor and if there could be something new and of value for a possible new trial.

 

[Landonsmom02]

Unless you know Jason, there is no way to know this. He will follow the advice of his new attorneys, consult with his family , etc. In the end, I think it's safe to say anyone writing a book, is going to have to wait to add this final chapter.

Unless you know JY then there is noway to know he WOULD take a deal.

 

[MyBelle]

From what I recall CY was asleep in bed when JY arrived and he went and got in bed with her. WE have no idea if CY even woke up when he got in the bed. I would think that if that psychologist had any evidence whether beneficial to prosecution or defense we would have heard that at the trial.
I am thinking ahead about CY now and if MF has gotten her into therapy. I would think CY needed it and I would think MF would have seen to that. If anything has surfaced during possible therapy sessions with CY I wonder if it would be allowed if there is a new trial. I am thing of the Martin MacNeill trial. His young daughter found her mom's body and they showed on video sessions with therapist and the little girl.
This is just speculation on my part that CY may have been or even still is seeing a counselor and if there could be something new and of value for a possible new trial.

I look forward to the testimony of the psychologist at the next trial.